Things That Bug Me in the Church
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I agree. I don't understand how anyone can study the Bible and believe that no one goes to Hell. Or that sin will exist in Heaven. The first view point I think comes out of a desire to not have anyone suffer for eternity, which I don't want either, but the Bible is very clear that those who don't accept God's grace will be punished. The belief about sin in Heaven...I don't know how any one could think that unless that was the only Bible verse about Heaven he read.
I've heard about the one that Rosella mentions about Jesus giving the gift of salvation to everyone. Maybe you might know it by a different vocabulary. It's called universalism. I have a friend who believes this way. And she follows a pastor who teaches this in another town about an hour away. She's had him in her home in the past as well.
I haven't, however heard of the sinful natures being present in heaven. That would be a new one that I haven't heard, but I certainly don't doubt what she's saying. There are some pretty weird teachings out there.
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The church where the pastor believed everyone went to Heaven was Lutheran and the church that believed we'd keep our sinful nature in Heaven was Presbyterian. However, I don't think either is necessarily specific to a denomination or that all churches of those denominations preach those things. My grandmother is a Catholic and she says that the nuns at her school taught her that the Bible verse that states "In my Father's house are many mansions" (side-note, for some reason it took me a while to type house. The u key wouldn't go down and it kept typing hose. Very different!) meant that there's a mansion for Buddhists, and one for Jewish people, and one for Muslims, etc. I think it's just a result of faulty preachers.
Seems like when they are passing plate it would be nice if they said. If ya have a dollar give it, if ya need a dollar take two. but yeah i know just like in Jesus day, some would come to get full on word, some would come to get full on food and not even hear what Jesus was saying. Less plastic people would be nice, some praise the Lord on sunday morning, and cuss at t.v like a drunken wild man in the afternoon. Lets just get real.
****when people put their feelings above the Word of God we get all kinds of weird doctrines---I've been saved for 40 years and seen some weird beliefs-----the most recent ones coming out strong----being a practicing homosexual and considering yourself saved (no)----------everyone will eventually be permitted into heaven after they suffer for a while---kinda like a Protestant Purgatory----just stick to God's Word----when people leave the Word of God we end up with Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Universalists, ect...
It bothers me when churches evangelize without attempting to disciple.
Eph 4:11-12
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
KJV
It bothers me when pastors take upon themselves all or most of the work of the ministry instead of exhorting training and equipping the church members to do the work.
Eph 4:11-12
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
KJV
It bothers me when pastors take upon themselves all or most of the work of the ministry instead of exhorting training and equipping the church members to do the work.
Strictly speaking....Matthew 28 is an imperative command given to each and every member.....I have a problem with pew warmers expecting the preacher and a few deacons to be the only ones witnessing and attempting to lead the lost to Christ and then they wonder why their church stays stagnant with very little to no growth......I also cannot stand sitting in a church where the main menu is 57 songs, 9 specials and 10 minutes of a prefabricated, regurgitated sermon.......