LUST

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Probably the same reason the translators used "soul" for man and "creatures" for the other animals God created, this led people to believe that the difference between man and animals was that man had a soul. Not so, both man and animals were said to be souls, same word. Just like lust is used to described a strong desire for something bad while desire is used to describe something good when both words mean the same thing. I think the translators would have done better to just use the same word and let us realize the difference because of the context.
 
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Makes one wonder why translations use "lust" in one instance and "desire" in another, doesn't it? Why not just use the word lust or desire all the time if they are synonymous? Remember, context is king.
Oh, don't get me wrong. It was only the context that gives us the right meaning. Because the same word was used in the Greek.

The translators did a pretty good Job by the words they used to translate from the originals.

What really gets me on this subject is that just about everybody focus's is on sex with the word lust.

For every 1 person who does lust sexually, there 100000 that lust to be their own God. And being "good"(without Jesus Christ) is their lust/desire.
 
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Oh, don't get me wrong. It was only the context that gives us the right meaning. Because the same word was used in the Greek.

The translators did a pretty good Job by the words they used to translate from the originals.

What really gets me on this subject is that just about everybody focus's is on sex with the word lust.

For every 1 person who does lust sexually, there 100000 that lust to be their own God. And being "good"(without Jesus Christ) is their lust/desire.
Lust - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online
 
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Miri

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Lust turns a person into a sex object. Think of the sex trade for example.

Love and loving desire, loves the whole person. It wants the best for them.
It does not turn a person into a sex object or a thing just to gratify self and
nothing more.

Lust is harmful.

Loving desire for your spouse is about their well being as well as yours.
 
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This is not a very important issue, just wondered what some others might think. Is lust always wrong? How can people have a physical relationship without some lust? Would not going through life without any lust for anything ever, be kind of a bland existence?
Lust is always wrong. There is a difference between sexual desire and lust. Sexual desire between a husband and a wife is good. But lust is always evil. I haven't found a satisfactory answer as to what differentiates lust from natural sexual desire. The closest I've found is that lust is desire with intent, but even that I don't think covers everything, as someone may fantasize about having sex with another person's spouse without intending to actually have sex with him/her and yet I think that would still be considered lust. Some guidelines I think hold true are that if you desire the person above God, that's both idolatry and lust. If you can't stop thinking about a person or fantasizing about him/her in a sexual way, that would be lust. No person, even your spouse, should come before God. If you want to have sex with a person without having a personal, emotional, and romantic relationship, then that's lust because you're using the person as a sex toy not as a partner. Other than that, I'm not sure of where exactly desire becomes lust.
 
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When giving counsel on sinful behavior, Jesus gets to the very root of the matter. He does not simply tell us to refrain from violent acts. Rather, he warns us not to allow anger to smolder in our heart. (Matthew 5:21, 22; 1 John 3:15) He does not only forbid the act of adultery. Instead, he warns of the passion that begins in the heart and leads to such betrayal. He admonishes us not to allow our eyes to arouse improper desire and stimulate lust. (Matthew 5:27-30) Jesus deals with causes, not just symptoms. He addresses the attitudes and desires that give birth to sinful deeds.—Psalm 7:14.
 
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No one is really reading what I wrote, sigh! How can lust always be wrong when the bible says that Jesus lusted, just because the translators chose to use the word desire rather then lust does not change the fact that it was the same word. It would be proper for Jesus to say, I have lusted with lust to eat this supper with you. The word "lust" is a neutral word, it is the context that makes it either good or bad. Lust and strong desire are the same word in the bible. Having a strong desire can be good if it is for good things.
 
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No one is really reading what I wrote, sigh! How can lust always be wrong when the bible says that Jesus lusted, just because the translators chose to use the word desire rather then lust does not change the fact that it was the same word. It would be proper for Jesus to say, I have lusted with lust to eat this supper with you. The word "lust" is a neutral word, it is the context that makes it either good or bad. Lust and strong desire are the same word in the bible. Having a strong desire can be good if it is for good things.
where have you learned such things?
 
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No one is really reading what I wrote, sigh! How can lust always be wrong when the bible says that Jesus lusted, just because the translators chose to use the word desire rather then lust does not change the fact that it was the same word. It would be proper for Jesus to say, I have lusted with lust to eat this supper with you. The word "lust" is a neutral word, it is the context that makes it either good or bad. Lust and strong desire are the same word in the bible. Having a strong desire can be good if it is for good things.
You need to follow the link I provided before you stick that foot any further down your throat.
 
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No one is really reading what I wrote, sigh! How can lust always be wrong when the bible says that Jesus lusted, just because the translators chose to use the word desire rather then lust does not change the fact that it was the same word. It would be proper for Jesus to say, I have lusted with lust to eat this supper with you. The word "lust" is a neutral word, it is the context that makes it either good or bad. Lust and strong desire are the same word in the bible. Having a strong desire can be good if it is for good things.
Yea it's the context it's used in. Just as two people who are in marriage lusting for one another is fine.
 
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Pry, as strange as it might sound, yes, two people in marriage(man&woman) can be lusting after each other and it is fine, as long as we are aware that lust just means strong desire and it does not mean giving in to some perverted actions.
 
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Hi FreeinChrist , Who is Baker?? Luke 22:15 with lust(desire), I have desired(lusted) to eat this..those were the word of Jesus and the word Jesus used is 1939 in Strong's, it is exactly the same word as Gal 5:16 that says do not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Luke 22:15 and Gal 5:16 is the word listed in Strong's as 1939....THE SAME WORD called desire in one place and lust in the other and context determines whether it means good or bad.
 
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Lust is always wrong. There is a difference between sexual desire and lust. Sexual desire between a husband and a wife is good. But lust is always evil. I haven't found a satisfactory answer as to what differentiates lust from natural sexual desire. The closest I've found is that lust is desire with intent, but even that I don't think covers everything, as someone may fantasize about having sex with another person's spouse without intending to actually have sex with him/her and yet I think that would still be considered lust. Some guidelines I think hold true are that if you desire the person above God, that's both idolatry and lust. If you can't stop thinking about a person or fantasizing about him/her in a sexual way, that would be lust. No person, even your spouse, should come before God. If you want to have sex with a person without having a personal, emotional, and romantic relationship, then that's lust because you're using the person as a sex toy not as a partner. Other than that, I'm not sure of where exactly desire becomes lust.
I don't know any happily married couples who did not lust for each other before their marriage.
 
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Hi FreeinChrist , Who is Baker?? Luke 22:15 with lust(desire), I have desired(lusted) to eat this..those were the word of Jesus and the word Jesus used is 1939 in Strong's, it is exactly the same word as Gal 5:16 that says do not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Luke 22:15 and Gal 5:16 is the word listed in Strong's as 1939....THE SAME WORD called desire in one place and lust in the other and context determines whether it means good or bad.
Yes, context determines the meaning, that's what I said earlier. So why are you inserting the wrong word, with the wrong meaning, where the context does not support it?
 
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Hi FC. Like Baker you are playing games and you know you are playing games, it is the SAME WORD, no one gave you or Baker the authority to decide you will put desire in one place and lust in another when the word of God uses the SAME WORD. It is like Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost, it is like soul for man and creature for the animals. Some fallible man decided to place a different word so that we would not be offended or for what ever the reason. So what I said still stands, the actual interpreted word for lust is a neutral word as born out by the fact that Jesus used it to express His feelings while Paul used it to teach us to stay away from evil things. Now you have been shown the truth, so let it go please.
 
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Hi FC. Like Baker you are playing games and you know you are playing games, it is the SAME WORD, no one gave you or Baker the authority to decide you will put desire in one place and lust in another when the word of God uses the SAME WORD. It is like Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost, it is like soul for man and creature for the animals. Some fallible man decided to place a different word so that we would not be offended or for what ever the reason. So what I said still stands, the actual interpreted word for lust is a neutral word as born out by the fact that Jesus used it to express His feelings while Paul used it to teach us to stay away from evil things. Now you have been shown the truth, so let it go please.
You mean let a lie go as if it is the truth? Never. To say that Jesus lusted is blasphemy. You are being foolish.
 

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Hi FreeinChrist , Who is Baker?? Luke 22:15 with lust(desire), I have desired(lusted) to eat this..those were the word of Jesus and the word Jesus used is 1939 in Strong's, it is exactly the same word as Gal 5:16 that says do not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Luke 22:15 and Gal 5:16 is the word listed in Strong's as 1939....THE SAME WORD called desire in one place and lust in the other and context determines whether it means good or bad.
Desire and lust are two different things.
 
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Two things that never end, the universe and stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe. You people cannot be that dumb. I actually gave you the word out of Strong's that shows beyond any doubt that the actual word in the word of God for lust and desire is the SAME word. Why repeat it, you can read it in the previous post, I feel like I a trying to teach a dog to drive a car, no matter what I write the comprehension is not there. Look up the word used when Jesus said, with desire I have desired to eat, and then compare it with the word Paul used to tell us not to lust after evil things...IT IS THE SAME WORD. Just because the English translators decided to call the word lust, for the desire of evil, and desire for the desire of good, does not change the word of God. You can't get past the concept that you have always been taught that lust is evil, if you cannot reason out what I have written then I guess it is not your fault, if you haven't got it you haven't got it.
 

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[for me anyway] there is a reason why there is one word called lust and another called desire: lust is the eagerness to possess or consume; whereas desire is an emotion to attain; we can use the word desire to mean lust, but we cannot use the word lust to mean desire: we may desire the sincere milk of the Word as the scripture says; but we don't lust it.