forgiveness according to the truth

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Matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: BUT if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."


Mark 11:15-16 "And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. BUT if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."


Luke 6:37-38 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and YE SHALL BE forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the SAME MEASURE that ye mete withal it shall be measured TO YOU again."


Matthew 18:32-35 "Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I FORGAVE THE all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, IF YE from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."


is there anything required of a christian for forgiveness According to the Lord Jesus Christ ?


1 john 1:5-9 "This then is the message which we have HEARD OF HIM, and DECLARE UNTO YOU, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the TRUTH: But IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ HIS SON cleanseth us from all sin. IF we say that we have no sin, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, and the TRUTH is not in us. IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR, and his word is not in us."


remember this is John the apostle writing.....


John 8: 12-13 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD: HE THAT FOLLOWETH ME SHALL NOT WALK IN DARKNESS, but shall have the LIGHT OF LIFE. The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is NOT TRUE."


John 8:31-32 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YE continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free"


John 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be IN YOU."


john 14:23-24 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: and THE WORD which ye hear is NOT MINE, but the FATHERS WHICH SENT ME."


John 17:17 "Sanctify them through THY TRUTH: THY WORD IS TRUTH. "
 
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Matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: BUT if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."


Mark 11:15-16 "And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. BUT if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."


Luke 6:37-38 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and YE SHALL BE forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the SAME MEASURE that ye mete withal it shall be measured TO YOU again."


Matthew 18:32-35 "Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I FORGAVE THE all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, IF YE from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."


is there anything required of a christian for forgiveness According to the Lord Jesus Christ ?


1 john 1:5-9 "This then is the message which we have HEARD OF HIM, and DECLARE UNTO YOU, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the TRUTH: But IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ HIS SON cleanseth us from all sin. IF we say that we have no sin, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, and the TRUTH is not in us. IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR, and his word is not in us."


remember this is John the apostle writing.....


John 8: 12-13 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD: HE THAT FOLLOWETH ME SHALL NOT WALK IN DARKNESS, but shall have the LIGHT OF LIFE. The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is NOT TRUE."


John 8:31-32 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YE continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free"


John 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be IN YOU."


john 14:23-24 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: and THE WORD which ye hear is NOT MINE, but the FATHERS WHICH SENT ME."


John 17:17 "Sanctify them through THY TRUTH: THY WORD IS TRUTH. "
Give your burdens to Jesus; it's that simple.
 
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actually its not exactly what you said you said " Give you burdens to Jesus, its that simple" I said " or believe Jesus even simpler" I agree with you that we should give our burdens to Him, i just dont see how that realted to the op, or how it is the exact same thing as what i said.....

its pretty important to me What the Lord said about forgiveness. and I would think to people who bear grudges might also find a pretty important truth in the op, which again isnt my opinion, But Jesus word.
 
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Oh good grief. You guys INVENT arguments. LOL
 
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actually its not exactly what you said you said " Give you burdens to Jesus, its that simple" I said " or believe Jesus even simpler" I agree with you that we should give our burdens to Him, i just dont see how that realted to the op, or how it is the exact same thing as what i said.....

its pretty important to me What the Lord said about forgiveness. and I would think to people who bear grudges might also find a pretty important truth in the op, which again isnt my opinion, But Jesus word.
My initial post means have faith in Jesus. My challenge in post 4 still stands.
 
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Oh good grief. You guys INVENT arguments. LOL

willie honestly, look at the conversation and the op.....no ones arguing in my own view. im sharing ome scripture from the gospel, not to insult anyone given that it is a bible discussion forum i dont see how im inventing an argument, or utah really. maybe to him " give your burdens to the Lord" is the same thing idk really, i just personally didnt see the connection, and actually agree that we should cast our burdens on him.....again i just didnt see the relation or how writing an op sharing scripture in a public forum designed for Biblical discussion is creating and argument. you know but its all good in my opinion, I just find it pretty important to accept what the Lord says about His kingdom.
 
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My initial post means have faith in Jesus. My challenge in post 4 still stands.
what challenge is that utah? again i agree with you, we need to let Him handle our burdens, you know? i just diodnt see the relation, but you obviously did. its all good man. i dont disagree with you thats a good word honestly to let Him have our burdens, at the same time, what He says, Matters to me alot. I dont write ops to start arguments with anyone, i figure a bdf is a pretty proper place to write ops and share scripture.
 

Dino246

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Not sure whether the issue being addressed is "How shall the Christian obtain forgiveness" or "How does the Christian forgive others".

To the first, by the grace of Jesus, because of His death and resurrection.

To the second, by consciously placing the sin and offense of another person in the Lord's hands, not counting that sin against the person, and trusting in the Lord to deal with that person as He sees fit. Treating that person as though the sin has been washed away. Asking the Lord for help so as not to hold a grudge or give place to bitterness. Seeking the good of that person, even if it only extends to "Bless them, Lord".
 
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Not sure whether the issue being addressed is "How shall the Christian obtain forgiveness" or "How does the Christian forgive others".

To the first, by the grace of Jesus, because of His death and resurrection.

To the second, by consciously placing the sin and offense of another person in the Lord's hands, not counting that sin against the person, and trusting in the Lord to deal with that person as He sees fit. Treating that person as though the sin has been washed away. Asking the Lord for help so as not to hold a grudge or give place to bitterness. Seeking the good of that person, even if it only extends to "Bless them, Lord".
what would be the result if a forgiven believer then was a person who refused to forgive others who offend them?
 

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Psalm 32:5, “I acknowledged my sin to You, And my crookedness I did not hide. I have said, “I confess my transgressions to יהוה,” And You forgave the crookedness of my sin. Selah.”

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

Proverbs 28:13 “He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.”

1 Timothy 2:5, “For there is one Father and one Mediator between the Father and men, the Man Messiah יהושע,”

Leviticus 5:5 , "when anyone becomes aware that they are guilty in any of these matters, they must confess in what way they have sinned."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 59:Behold, YHWH's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He will not listen. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Lamentation 3:41, "Let us lift our hearts along with our hands to YHWH in heaven."[/FONT]
 
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:)The original post sounds like another debate on works vs grace.
 

JaumeJ

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No one can forgive anyone or aything unless there is a will to be forgiven, for it must e received; it is a gift.
 
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Jesus made one main point on forgiveness and stand my ground "look it up"....forgive not others their trespasses and ye shall not be forgiven your trespasses (forgive and ye shall be forgiven by whom?) who is the only judge ...God...in the end in judgement...shall we judge....no it is a scripture...do not judge lest ye be judged with what measure ye mete it shall be meted unto you... but truth of the matter you have to when we sin we go to God in prayer for forgiveness....and why not...who is the most merciful...? who loves more than God Jehovah...Jesus His Son or Holy Spirit... now people who believe in the trinity understand that God is three persons...one spirit....can anyone understand God...hardly .... because scriptures even say in proverbs ... "the foolishness of God confounds the wise...I will attempt to explain the trinity although I have less then a mustard seed of wisdom compared to God....

Jesus said "I am in Him and He is in me" now john 1:1 says ... In the beginning was the Word and the Word is with God and the Word was God. In the old testament Our Father's name is Jehovah or Jah in African...God has many names...."I am" "Love" Alpha and Omega...beginning and end...but my point is to establish that Jehovah is the Father

now Jesus is the Son of God spoken in the bible...but the understanding that he is "God in the flesh" is only understandable through John 1:1

now Acts chapter 2 explains the comforter which undoubtably is the third part of the trinity... the holy Spirit...now who is Good but God Spoke Jesus humbling himself before all creation and His Father in heaven

okay what about who is holy...obvious the same answer.

who is the holy spirit Jehovah or Jesus....it is irrelevant...for God is love.
 
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Here is another view of forgiveness after the cross and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. If we don't filter all scriptures through the progressive revelation of what Jesus did on the cross - we will be side-tracked and fail to see what Christ has already done in the New Covenant.

I guess Peter and Paul had no idea of what Jesus said there before the Cross when they preached the gospel of the grace of Christ?

Look at the word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of Christ being preached and no where does it say to "forgive first or you will not be forgiven" I'll give you the exact scripture references . Peter - Acts 10:43 and Paul Acts 13:38

Have you ever heard Billy Graham say " Forgive people first before you come to receive Christ's forgiveness"?..of course not..it is anti-the gospel.

It is extremely important to read all scriptures in their context - even the words of Jesus. I understand this conflicts with some of our religious beliefs passed on by mad-made traditions which nullify the grace of God.

The Cross of Christ changed from living according to law and we are now in the grace of Christ for forgiveness. It is not based on us. We forgive because we are forgiven - it's in our nature now.

This short video will show you the context of those scriptures in Matt 7.

[video=youtube;Ujyb683RNtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujyb683RNtM[/video]
 
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Did Peter and Paul had it wrong when they preached the gospel? How can we mis-interpret the scriptures that talk about forgiveness after the Cross?

Here's Peter..shouldn't he have said "You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"
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Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."


And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus"
??


Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Or is it possible Jesus was talking about the law when He gave those words out for His disciples at the time they were still under law then? The New Covenant didn't come into effect until Jesus died and rose again to obtain our eternal forgiveness.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.
 
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Trying to fit what Peter and Paul said in Acts 10 and 13 - in their word-for-word accounts of preaching the true gospel of the grace of Christ can "conflict" with some of our religious beliefs.

The truth is that they did not say. "you must forgive others before you can receive Christ's forgiveness - obtained by God's riches in grace which He purchased with His own blood for an eternal redemption and the complete forgiveness of sins"

There is no "conditional" forgiveness which is contingent on us forgiving first in the New Covenant which started after the Cross and Jesus fulfilled the law for us.

It's anti-the gospel. It is however 100% the law that we must forgive first in order to receive forgiveness in the law.

We forgive now because we are already forgiven in Christ. This is our new nature in Him in our inner man in Christ being expressed out to others.

Paul says in Eph. 4:22 to put on the new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness...then he shows us what this looks like in the next verses including this one below.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

New Covenant forgiveness is based on the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

Forgiveness in Christ is a done deal. Believe and receive it and the reality of the life that is ours in Christ will become real and powerful in our lives. We will be quick to forgive others just as we have been forgiven.

 
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maybe I wanted to be correct...not making a misake in scripture to mislead...but I'm human...and there's the scripture...judge not lest ye be judged ... with every measure ye me it shall be meted unto you...

do you ask you brother to take the sty out of his eye...ye hypocrites(in general he's speaking) first take the sty out of your own eye and then you can see clearly to take the sty out of your brother's eye.

never look at the flaws in others...instead look at the flaws in yourselves

Isn't Jesus the Prince of peace...truly if we put the bible in our hearts we have a good foundation...the Holy Spirit will teach us differently according to our needs

Jehovah Jaira is my provider according to his riches and glory in Christ Jesus
and yet there is only one God...can we understand that...no for God is omnipotent.

praise God almighty we serve a mighty miracle working God