*****5 Wise Virgins---------------------------------*****5 Foolish Virgins

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Jesus was speaking of His return and the gathering of the church, that was His subject. It appears that there is a cut off time when one can be saved, the door was SHUT. They now had all the oil they needed(having returned from the market), however they were not allowed in even though they pleaded to be allowed in. After Jesus returns and gathers the church can people be saved?, most would say yes because at some point the nation of Israel will be saved. Maybe only the nation of Israel will be saved? Just a thought.
 
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why would Jesus say 10 virgins? why not 20 virgins or 30 virgins? why 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish ones? why not 10 wise virgins and 10 foolish or 15 wise virgins and 15 foolish virgins?

the number 10 could speak of the period of testing:
Jesus told His disciples to wait 10 days for the Holy Spirit to come (pentecost 50 days minus Jesus being on earth for 40 days before ascending to heaven).
daniel ask to test them about their diet for 10 days.
Jesus told the church of smyrna that they will suffer persecution for 10 days. He said, be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.
in times of testing, would you still pursue the Lord like the 5 wise virgins? or would you be just like the world at certain time and only get on your feet (went to buy the oil) when He's already on your door steps (the bridegroom came)?
be ready

number 5 speaks of grace of God
after noahs name were mention the 5th time, he found grace/favour in the eyes of the Lord.
Genesis 7:16
And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him (Noah)(grace) in. there will come a time that this age of grace will come to a close. verse 10 says grace was inside and the door was shut. history only repeats itself.
be ready its a warning.

the lamp is a symbol for the Word as the bible says thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. the oil is the symbol for the Holy Spirit because everytime an oil is anointed on someone in the bible, the Spirit of the Lord came powerfully on that person.

at that time the kingdom of heaven will be like...
generally, Jesus is speaking about this present age called the church age - virgins (church) - not the building but the body of Christ. why virgins? to show the purity of the body of Christ (church) after of what He did for us on the cross. in reality, the church is composed up of wise virgins and foolish virgins.

have you wonder why no heathen, etc were mentioned? its because we are to pursue first our inheritance (banquet) before the second coming of Jesus. there was still things in His timeline yet to be fulfilled like the so called great awakening, great harvest and the Joel 2:28 to which points out to all flesh - all means all. verse 5 says that while the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.. woah! even the wise virgins were asleep! but there was a kind of sleeping that is "resting" & waiting patiently in Him and sleep like a "spiritual stupor". have we overcome the world or is it the world overcome us? are we spending time with God? praying? having the Word? you dont know you were asleep until you wake up! its a wake up call for us to be watchful and be prepared.

verse 6 and at midnight there was a cry made, behold, the bridegroom comes; go out to meet him. who are these people whos crying? whos giving the warning? how awesome it is that there are people who are called to be the sovereign vessel of God. as the prophet Amos said, the Lord made known his plans, surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, unless he reveals his secret unto his servants. and the church has awakened from that cry! do you want to get involved like the wise virgins or just be left out like the foolish ones?

the point that Jesus is making here is be ready.

Luke 12:35
“Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him.
Well,not too bad sir. At least you are making an effort to not retool the main dynamic.

My issue is preserving the main components,and letting the story tell itself as far as possible.

When born again,the spirit of man is renewed. It is the vessel,lamp,and throne that God inhabits.

When a person gets saved,they are mostly void of the bible,nonetheless,they usually shine brighter than some dead theologian.

Lamp,is not the bible. It is a vessel containing oil.
 
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Jesus was speaking of His return and the gathering of the church, that was His subject. It appears that there is a cut off time when one can be saved, the door was SHUT. They now had all the oil they needed(having returned from the market), however they were not allowed in even though they pleaded to be allowed in. After Jesus returns and gathers the church can people be saved?, most would say yes because at some point the nation of Israel will be saved. Maybe only the nation of Israel will be saved? Just a thought.
Except the Jews are not virgins.

No blood covering. To them the messiah is yet to be revealed and Christ is rejected.

But that is interesting. Rev 14 is dealing with the Jew. And apparently is also "lest those days are shortened"
 
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That is exactly right.
They,the foolish,were saved,but are like the Corinthians.

Saved,but that is all. No relationship. Study covenant. Your marriage is a legal COVENANT,no matter if after the wedding,you guys never see each other again,only converse by phone.

In no way are you an intimate functioning couple.

That is the Corinth church.

Look it up "... Some are saved as through fire ,they get in,but their works are burned up"

Look it up. Those smelling like smoke are the 5 foolish.
 
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Re read it. It says that their lamps had gone out.

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1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
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Hi Popeye,

The bible says their “lamps are gone out” not their “lamps had gone out”. A difference is to be made here. In the first, they totally have no oil in the lamp and that is what the Bible says, whereas saying they the (5) foolish ‘had gone out’ implies, they have had once but the scenario is different.

1. The foolish virgins took only lamps (nothing said about oil in the lamps).
2. The foolish virgins took no oil in their vessels; the wise on the other hand took oil in their vessels.
3. The foolish ones together with the wise prepared their lamps. The Bible says they trimmed their lamps meaning as they set order their lamps, wanted to put oil in the lamp but the problem is, the foolish have no oil with them and ask the wise to give them oil.

I don’t find difficulty with what the bible says, I really don’t know yours why say the foolish lamps ’had gone out’.

God bless
You basically are proving my point.

If your battery dies in your flashlight,I can say both.

Your deal is ridiculous.

You have to enter into the bizarre to make those dynamics fit.
 

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The parable says in the kingdom of heaven. The body of Jesus Christ has the kingdom of God within. I believe there is a difference between the two kingdoms...so popeye, are you sure this is the gentile bride?

We are one with God through Jesus Christ. And our salvation is a process of becoming one with Him. I see us as the friends of the Bridegroom at the wedding.

And symbolized by John the Baptist, who was filled with oil from his conception. So are we by the new birth.
 

fredoheaven

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You basically are proving my point.

If your battery dies in your flashlight,I can say both.

Your deal is ridiculous.

You have to enter into the bizarre to make those dynamics fit.
Hehehe, the flashlight has no battery within and they, the foolish carried no batteries in their backpack. They didn't carry extra, they carried what's needed only.

My deal is not certainly ridiculous...:)
 
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I guess I have a one tract mind in this area because Jesus made quite the point in the parable of the 10 virgins that there is a cut off time. You think how strange His story was, if I was going to marry 10 women and 5 ended up being late for supper I might be irritated but that is all. The main point of that story that makes it unusual is not that 5 women were more prepared then the other 5 women, the main point that makes the story unusual is that there was a clear and definite cut off time that none of the women even knew was there until it happened. The foolish 5 women showed up with lamps burning only a little late, however they were disqualified because of that, permanently disqualified...the door was SHUT.
 

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I guess I have a one tract mind in this area because Jesus made quite the point in the parable of the 10 virgins that there is a cut off time. You think how strange His story was, if I was going to marry 10 women and 5 ended up being late for supper I might be irritated but that is all. The main point of that story that makes it unusual is not that 5 women were more prepared then the other 5 women, the main point that makes the story unusual is that there was a clear and definite cut off time that none of the women even knew was there until it happened. The foolish 5 women showed up with lamps burning only a little late, however they were disqualified because of that, permanently disqualified...the door was SHUT.
***this parable is teaching about being prepared for the Lord's coming----be watchful---do not be deceived---Read Matthew 24 and Matthew 25 ---Jesus is always warning about preparation, deception, faithfulness ----the Church today is not teaching enough on this or the Parables of Christ---don't get hung up on the details of the Parable---get the main point...
 
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I think the main point is BE PREPARED because if you miss the appointed time the DOOR IS SHUT. I don't think the door being shut is a small detail, that was the consequences of not being prepared.
 
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The parable in a nutshell is ,bride getting carried off by groom.

With the oil as the "ticket" or game changer.

No oil<> no go
 

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****this is a parable about being prepared----we are not just going to wake up and be unprepared----both are a process not a one off experience----we are presently getting ready or we are presently drifting from the Lord---there are many warnings given in God's Word not to neglect our salvation---we should not play around with our salvation---I would not chance anything negative happening in regard to getting prepared---does that mean a person is perfect---no---but the Word says perfect (mature) as your Heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48)...
**** be prepared...
 

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What did we learn from this Parable**** to be prepared for the Lord's Coming*** some will not be prepared---- they did not bring extra oil*** the Lord is offering extra oil every day*** are we desiring more oil (Ephesians 5:27)...
 
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The 5 wise virgins are those that hear the word and are obedient to God from heart purity and sincerity. The 5 foolish virgins are those that hear but obey not the gospel...
 

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****it seems like they were saved (virgins)--- but became "silly". --- Message Bible..
Not "silly"

sleepy....lukewarm....distracted
 

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Virgins, if their eyes are on their beloved, waiting HIS return, are never unprepared

if they are, they make manifest, when they rush around at the last hour trying to prepare themselves, that their eyes and attention were elsewhere
 

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Both classes represent bible believers. The lamps represent the word of God. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet. The five foolish ones are those who love the truth just as the wise, They are missing the most important ingredient The filling of the holy Spirit thus the love of God is not shed abroad in their hearts and without love you have nothing even if you have gifts as seen in 1 Cor 13. The foolish are those who will say Lord Lord did we not etc. Jesus will say I do not know you.

This is not believers vs unbelievers. This is converted believers vs unconverted believers. The next two parables are also about believers, those who use their talents and those who miss use their talents. the last also concerns those who claimed to Know God but there are those who love others in action and those who do not. All three parables are concerning believers at the end. Some are ready some are not. Some gave all some did not.
 

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Thats why this "standard interpretation" does not fit in.

Oil can be love.
Through the love and acceptance of Christ, the annointing of oil resulted in the Holy Spirit within.
 

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Should we be using the new synthetic oil....:p
 

stonesoffire

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Whether it's Jew or gentile...I think the whole point of oil is to keep the source of the oil and our vessel, open so it flows continually.

Abiding because He says we cannot do anything apart from Him.