There Is No God's Service In Killing People
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This sounds like a thread Jason007 would love. His solution to defending oneself against intruders was to stand there and pray for them, while that person is killing or raping his wife. :/
I think if someone broke into my home and attacked me, I'd smack a bat into his head and if he dies, he deserves it. He should've thought twice before breaking into a place where someone has a weapon and could use it on him.
I think if someone broke into my home and attacked me, I'd smack a bat into his head and if he dies, he deserves it. He should've thought twice before breaking into a place where someone has a weapon and could use it on him.
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Look, I know he had an interesting way of wording things and I have no doubt he had trouble communicating what was on his mind, but he was justified in praying for people providing harm to people especially the ones that meant a lot to him. However, we are to love the way God loves each of us because we have done horrible things before we developed our relationship with Christ. I dont necessarily agree with his theology, but bringing him up when he cant even be here to justify himself is gossip and wrong.
Now, I do believe in providing physical force to stop someone from harming another, but enough to make sure they couldn't do it anymore....for example I had a guy at my other job throw me into some file cabinets and threaten me....the justified thing to do is if it is witnessed is to grab the guy by the back of the shirt and physically throw him out and tell him not to come back, if he punched me and things got physical I can see making him not be able to walk for a while so that the police can show up and make the arrest.
Now, I do believe in providing physical force to stop someone from harming another, but enough to make sure they couldn't do it anymore....for example I had a guy at my other job throw me into some file cabinets and threaten me....the justified thing to do is if it is witnessed is to grab the guy by the back of the shirt and physically throw him out and tell him not to come back, if he punched me and things got physical I can see making him not be able to walk for a while so that the police can show up and make the arrest.
First of all, it's NOT gossip. It's truth, that HE stated many times. I agree that we are to pray for people, but to pray while someone is getting stabbed? That's what is wrong. Who in their right mind will stand by and watch while someone's getting raped, and not intervene except to pray "please, Lord don't let this guy kill this person"? THAT is what he told us many times, what his alternative to defending someone is. To let them get killed while he says a hopeful prayer..
But getting back to topic, we ARE to defend ourselves and others, with necessary force. IF that means killing someone in the process, then that person can take it to God. Sometimes there aren't any other alternatives. :/
But getting back to topic, we ARE to defend ourselves and others, with necessary force. IF that means killing someone in the process, then that person can take it to God. Sometimes there aren't any other alternatives. :/
In the real world, tiny girls can't really beat up grown men.
And unless their life is immediately threatened, they shouldn't try to test the theory.
However, your actual point was to contrast "what is justified" with "what is wise"... and I agree with you.
We should focus on what is wise... not necessarily on what is justified.
OP: "Whoever is out there, thinking about killing any one in the name of God..." is the defence of people? How?
And how do you define "innocence"?
In killing, one guilty sinner killed another guilty sinner and add a killing to the guilt.
And how do you define "innocence"?
In killing, one guilty sinner killed another guilty sinner and add a killing to the guilt.
A: Kill him if he leaves me no other alternative, or . . .
B: Mind my own business and just keep walking to Dairy Queen.
Your wish is my command.
but your saying you would kill him if there was no other choice however there is always a choice you could subdue him to where he cannot move or hurt anyone else for instance. if your capable of killing him then your capable of subduing him, the value of a human life even a wicked one is substantial for all we know this predator could end up being one of God's most mightiest warriors.
personally i could never take a life and i cannot fathom any reason to justify murder, killing to protect is still killing are you prepared to carry the blood on your hands for the rest of life? knowing that you took a life that could have been saved?
personally i could never take a life and i cannot fathom any reason to justify murder, killing to protect is still killing are you prepared to carry the blood on your hands for the rest of life? knowing that you took a life that could have been saved?
I suppose it depends on the circumstances there are several factors to take into account like if this guy had a gun or not or if we know how to fight. I do not judge others if they are willing to kill to protect I only know of myself. my hands were not meant to kill they were meant to heal and to build up and perhaps i would rather die than to kill but that doesn't mean my way is only true way perhaps sometimes it is required to kill to protect.
Besides it's easy to debate and talk about if it's right to kill or not but when placed in an actual situation like that I wonder how strong our resolve is to kill or not
Besides it's easy to debate and talk about if it's right to kill or not but when placed in an actual situation like that I wonder how strong our resolve is to kill or not
There isn't a scripture telling man "you blew it". There is no scripture saying God takes back a covenant because there is a new one. Christ said not a whit will be changed, for God created a world as it is now with the laws and principles God set down. Christ fulfilled some of them but Christ did not change them.
The principles of blood sacrifice were set down and explained, Christ fulfilled them. The duties of the high priest were established, Christ became our high priest. All scripture told to us in the OT and the NT relates to each other. Neither can stand alone. God did not divide scripture into two parts, old and new. Man did in error.
Even what happened on Mt Sinai is reflected in what happened on the day of Pentecost, when the law was given to men's hearts as well as written down. The day of the year was even the same.
The principles of blood sacrifice were set down and explained, Christ fulfilled them. The duties of the high priest were established, Christ became our high priest. All scripture told to us in the OT and the NT relates to each other. Neither can stand alone. God did not divide scripture into two parts, old and new. Man did in error.
Even what happened on Mt Sinai is reflected in what happened on the day of Pentecost, when the law was given to men's hearts as well as written down. The day of the year was even the same.
That would be like casting pearls before swine when they are not interested in seeking the truth in His words. Better to sow the seed for those seeking; that the Lord knows that seek Him & His words to seek deliverance from this bigotry. Internet search engines will bring up topics for the seekers that can lead to a christian forum such as this.
I had heard a fellow co worker that is a Catholic say that he hates Jews because they were the ones that had crucified Him. ( Yes, the Lord led me to share that his hatred was misplaced. )
I have seen on the internet in some places in christian forums the same thing.
I do not know if such a thread or a response has stated such a thing yet in this forum, but this is for any readers as well as members of this forum as I rely on Him to lead those who need to read this message in order to call on Jesus Christ for help to deliver him or her from this bigotry.
So thinking that only Neo Nazis are responsible for disrespecting Jewish graves is just an assumption.
AND as far as the OP goes, christians not grounded in the word, may take it upon themselves to kill muslims as a preemptive strike to protect his family and his neighbors when the muslims has no intention of killing any one. And even if they did have intentions, Jesus calls us to love our enemies.
And what Jesus said to love our enemies applies to all believers in Jesus Christ who wishes to be His disciples by His grace & by His help.
I had heard a fellow co worker that is a Catholic say that he hates Jews because they were the ones that had crucified Him. ( Yes, the Lord led me to share that his hatred was misplaced. )
I have seen on the internet in some places in christian forums the same thing.
I do not know if such a thread or a response has stated such a thing yet in this forum, but this is for any readers as well as members of this forum as I rely on Him to lead those who need to read this message in order to call on Jesus Christ for help to deliver him or her from this bigotry.
So thinking that only Neo Nazis are responsible for disrespecting Jewish graves is just an assumption.
AND as far as the OP goes, christians not grounded in the word, may take it upon themselves to kill muslims as a preemptive strike to protect his family and his neighbors when the muslims has no intention of killing any one. And even if they did have intentions, Jesus calls us to love our enemies.
And what Jesus said to love our enemies applies to all believers in Jesus Christ who wishes to be His disciples by His grace & by His help.
True, Blain, and not only all that, but you might accidentally kill them also just in defending yourself or trying to subdue them. Most men probably have more body strength than I do, it would be no contest that way, God would have to intervene for sure. If it was a woman trying to kill me again I would probably be so taken aback it would be no contest. And if I had to run to save my life, just count me dead