Can you "hear" God? If you can, describe it.

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Blain

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Was going to say, go to probably any Jewish website. Rabbis teaching etc. they all do it. I think it's a very respectful thing to do. Kind of the same reason I will go through and capitalize His name(s) and pronouns for Him if I copy and paste scripture that doesn't do it. It's just a personal thing for me but with the Jewish obviously it's tradition and an acknowledgment we as sinners shouldn't speak His holy name or even really write it.
I like the respect part of it but as his children i feel that we are allowed to speak his name in fact his name has saved my life several times
 

CLee622

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Why I used the word tradition ;)

It's a blessing to say His name. Just...Remember these are the descendants of those who saw Him as pillar of fire..a fiery mountain when His voice was too much for them to handle they pleaded for Moses to go talk with Him. (Speaking of hearing His voice and talking to Him!!)

He calls us friends now....((wow))
 
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I have a desire for purpose. My conflict in that thread was to determine whether it was of the flesh or of the Spirit. The only fear I have is wasting the talents that God gave me. It wasn't long after I started that thread that the Lord explained a few things to me about the matter. My first question here was to determine whether others had similar communication with the Father.

I agree I wouldn't declare my experience as any sort of measuring stick. All I can say is that from my observations if what I perceive is accurate then a great deal of people will never understand salvation enough to receive it.
Commenting on bold part:
Then only you can save them?
 

CLee622

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Depleted::::You don't get Salvation when you understand it. Your level of understanding is not what saves you. Christ saves. I did not even know Jesus was my Savior when I was born again. Sounds questionable yes? Moses and Abraham and all the people of old looked forward to a Messiah they knew not. They knew titles. And what He would do. But they didn't know His name. He gave me spiritual life, I went on living and He taught me of Himself.

I gave access to them that asked not for Me, I was at hand to them that sought Me not; I said: 'Behold Me, behold Me', Unto a nation that was not called by My name. Is. 65:1
 

CLee622

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Work out your own salvation. Seek and save the lost.

It hath been told thee, O man, what is good, And what the LORD doth require of thee: Only to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God. Micah 6:8
 

CLee622

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Sorry this was meant for HUNGRY ... quotes. Getting me. Thank you :)
Depleted::::You don't get Salvation when you understand it. Your level of understanding is not what saves you. Christ saves. I did not even know Jesus was my Savior when I was born again. Sounds questionable yes? Moses and Abraham and all the people of old looked forward to a Messiah they knew not. They knew titles. And what He would do. But they didn't know His name. He gave me spiritual life, I went on living and He taught me of Himself.

I gave access to them that asked not for Me, I was at hand to them that sought Me not; I said: 'Behold Me, behold Me', Unto a nation that was not called by My name. Is. 65:1
 
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So what do you think is the requirement for salvation?

Do people have to have perfect doctrine before God will save them?
It's not the doctrine that saves us, it's how the doctrine changes us that saves us. It's not Christ dying that saves everybody. It is understanding that Christ was a sacrifice so sacred that it covers all sin. What is the difference? Guilt is the difference. Sin brings guilt, guilt effects our mind. It prevents us from hearing the Father. Sin has metaphysical effects on us. Love has metaphysical effects. It is the vibrations that love resonate that entwine with the Holy Spirit that effect our minds, making us a child of God.

Look at all of the imagery that Christ uses that we gloss over trying to ignore the simple truth. He says stuff like unless you hate your family, you are not worthy. We try to downgrade it, because we don't understand what He's saying. Whoever loves their life will lose it, whoever hates their life will keep it! We don't get it because most people like life. The last will be first, the first will be last, on and on.

There is energy that is effected when we focus on pleasure. When we ignore pleasure of the flesh, like sex and fasting, the two greatest urges of the flesh, something awakens in us. We are in essence killing the flesh at this point. Our soul becomes compatible to the Holy Spirit. This quickening (becoming one) is our rebirth into the Spirit. This adoption is salvation. It's not wanting sex and painfully abstaining, it's wanting God so much that all flesh just lacks luster.

Most people function, Christians included, to please man and self. How much do we really need? Why do we want so much? This want is another energy altering vice. True gratitude giving appreciation for what we have changes our minds from wanting anything. All of Christ's words were pointing to the fact that it's not the action that causes sin, it's the heart condition that makes us sinful. Desire alone is the seed of unrighteousness. Denying what we want makes us bitter and unloving. The Pharisees demonstrated this. When you live by rules, you want everybody to follow the rules and get upset when others don't. You want them to get caught and punished. This is all negative energy, preventing you from resonating the frequency compatible to the Holy Spirit.

You have to think of it like a wifi signal. The signal (Spirit) is everywhere. In order to connect you need a device capable to receive it and the password. The device is your soul set at a loving frequency and the password is having no guilt, made possible because Christ's sacrifice.

Maybe this clears it up, maybe I look like a lunatic. Either way it gives fullness to what Christ was teaching.

For the record, in my opinion, "God" is not the name we are not supposed to take in vain. It's the "given" name He told to Moses. However, I wonder how He feels about "Jesus". If we are given a name to be healed and saved, and to pray to the Father in a specific name, why change it? Yeshua, is closer to the name of Christ. My name is Steve. If I said go to the carpet store and tell them Steve sent you, so you will get a good deal, then when you got there, said Dave sent me, do you think you will get the same deal? Maybe it's nothing, but if we are given a Name above Names, I think we should use it, even just for respect sake.
 
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The Lord talks to us all the time. It's a little hard to explain, even to understand. But, for instance, you have a problem, and suddenly the solution appears in your head. That is the Lord talking to you. He doesn't talk constantly - he isn't a blabbermouth. He doesn't talk on cue, as if he has to respond every time we want him to, but he talks to us a lot, and we're supposed to always be talking to him:

Pray constantly. 1 Thess 5:17 RSV
I get that, and you get that but I have a feeling that there are a great many believers that don't. They end up listening to religious leaders because they don't hear Him directly.
 
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Ariel82

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It's not the doctrine that saves us, it's how the doctrine changes us that saves us. It's not Christ dying that saves everybody. It is understanding that Christ was a sacrifice so sacred that it covers all sin. What is the difference? Guilt is the difference. Sin brings guilt, guilt effects our mind. It prevents us from hearing the Father. Sin has metaphysical effects on us. Love has metaphysical effects. It is the vibrations that love resonate that entwine with the Holy Spirit that effect our minds, making us a child of God.

Look at all of the imagery that Christ uses that we gloss over trying to ignore the simple truth. He says stuff like unless you hate your family, you are not worthy. We try to downgrade it, because we don't understand what He's saying. Whoever loves their life will lose it, whoever hates their life will keep it! We don't get it because most people like life. The last will be first, the first will be last, on and on.

There is energy that is effected when we focus on pleasure. When we ignore pleasure of the flesh, like sex and fasting, the two greatest urges of the flesh, something awakens in us. We are in essence killing the flesh at this point. Our soul becomes compatible to the Holy Spirit. This quickening (becoming one) is our rebirth into the Spirit. This adoption is salvation. It's not wanting sex and painfully abstaining, it's wanting God so much that all flesh just lacks luster.

Most people function, Christians included, to please man and self. How much do we really need? Why do we want so much? This want is another energy altering vice. True gratitude giving appreciation for what we have changes our minds from wanting anything. All of Christ's words were pointing to the fact that it's not the action that causes sin, it's the heart condition that makes us sinful. Desire alone is the seed of unrighteousness. Denying what we want makes us bitter and unloving. The Pharisees demonstrated this. When you live by rules, you want everybody to follow the rules and get upset when others don't. You want them to get caught and punished. This is all negative energy, preventing you from resonating the frequency compatible to the Holy Spirit.

You have to think of it like a wifi signal. The signal (Spirit) is everywhere. In order to connect you need a device capable to receive it and the password. The device is your soul set at a loving frequency and the password is having no guilt, made possible because Christ's sacrifice.

Maybe this clears it up, maybe I look like a lunatic. Either way it gives fullness to what Christ was teaching.

For the record, in my opinion, "God" is not the name we are not supposed to take in vain. It's the "given" name He told to Moses. However, I wonder how He feels about "Jesus". If we are given a name to be healed and saved, and to pray to the Father in a specific name, why change it? Yeshua, is closer to the name of Christ. My name is Steve. If I said go to the carpet store and tell them Steve sent you, so you will get a good deal, then when you got there, said Dave sent me, do you think you will get the same deal? Maybe it's nothing, but if we are given a Name above Names, I think we should use it, even just for respect sake.
Sounds really new age to me with the whole talk of frequencies.

.I know that where ever I am in my life, God has all the frequencies to hear me.

Your body/flesh itself is not evil. Sex within marriage is encouraged and we are told not to deny our spouses. The whole abstaining from sex to gain spiritual power is a Hindu not Christian notion. Maybe Catholic because the priest are celibate aren't they?

However of all the apostles, Paul makes a point that he could take a wife like the others but chooses not to so he can focus on the mission God sends him, specifically.

Some people are called into the mission field (to find post sheep) and some are called to stay home and take care of the family and church. Notice those who stay home and tend the flock are told to be the husband of one wife who is also following God.

When you have a deep problem you know only God can answer, food becomes like sawdust and you don't want to do anything but pray and wait upon God. Its like having taken a life threatening arrow from the enemy, that leaves you unable to move and function in life.

God comes takes out the arrow, heals you and shows you His truth to keep walking this life for His Glory.

Fasting is a weapon not used upon the enemy but upon those you love. You fast in protest and to get attention, because the ones who listen love you and don't want you to die.

God listens to us without us having to force him by external practices.

What we need to learn is how to listen to God even during the busy times of our lives.

I believe solitude and prayer may be good for those who have never had a chance to be alone, with only them and God.

However, for those who feel alone and abandoned, they need the church family to embrace and show them tangible love in this world. Solitude would just strengthen the arrows of the Enemy.
 
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sevenseas

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What we need to learn is how to listen to God even during the busy times of our lives.

God speaks to us in many ways.

But I agree that the post you are quoting Ariel, does sound new age.

Further, I would state that when someone seems to come up with the thought that they have special knowledge about God, I stop and ask questions

If the Bible were written in some special code, how would children understand?

When you have a deep problem you know only God can answer, food becomes like sawdust and you don't want to do anything but pray and wait upon God. Its like having taken a life threatening arrow from the enemy, that leaves you unable to move and function in life.
What we need to learn is how to listen to God even during the busy times of our lives.
I agree
 
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sevenseas

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Look at all of the imagery that Christ uses that we gloss over trying to ignore the simple truth. He says stuff like unless you hate your family, you are not worthy. We try to downgrade it, because we don't understand what He's saying. Whoever loves their life will lose it, whoever hates their life will keep it! We don't get it because most people like life. The last will be first, the first will be last, on and on.

and yet when Jesus hung on the cross, He asked John to look after His mother

He might have just ignored her if we take things out of context and apply a literal meaning when the meaning is simply to put God first, like the commandments teach, then we have a different and truer understanding

let us know when you gauge out your own eye. see, it does not work like that

we don't hate ourselves. if a person hates who they are, they are either still in sin or they have not understood scripture
 
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Hungary: If your zeal for the Lord is actual then that is commendable, however Paul tells us that there is a zeal for the Lord that is not according to knowledge. If you will look carefully at scripture, Jesus would teach two different positions, the idea of course was to get us in the middle. If you cling too excessively to either side you will be in error. Take fear for instance, Jesus taught us to fear God, actual fear not just respect as some claim. Then He turned right around and taught us not to fear God. There is no mystery in that teaching, we should be terrified to willfully cross God, on the other hand we have nothing to fear if we walk in faith in God's truth. About fasting, it may make some spiritual, all it ever did for me was to make me hungry for food, same with water, sleep, sex, and all the other things that make up a physical human. If abstaining makes you closer to the Lord then by all means do so, all such things ever did for me was get my mind off the Lord and onto what was bothering me. We are to control the flesh, but not try to kill it because it is part of our being, God made us that way.
 

shittim

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Watch John Wimbers personal testimony, then watch John Wimbers you tube video titled "the Kingdom of G-d" which was recorded just a few months before he went home. It pretty much covers his life of walking in the Spirit after G-d encountered
him very personally in 1963. Several scriptures mention "a voice spoke in his ear", the course of Christianity was changed
as Paul was going to asia to preach the gospel and received a dream to come to macedonia instead.
 
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pretty sure that isn't what he was saying
I was hoping not. But, after reading this...

It's not the doctrine that saves us, it's how the doctrine changes us that saves us. It's not Christ dying that saves everybody. It is understanding that Christ was a sacrifice so sacred that it covers all sin. What is the difference? Guilt is the difference. Sin brings guilt, guilt effects our mind. It prevents us from hearing the Father. Sin has metaphysical effects on us. Love has metaphysical effects. It is the vibrations that love resonate that entwine with the Holy Spirit that effect our minds, making us a child of God.

Look at all of the imagery that Christ uses that we gloss over trying to ignore the simple truth. He says stuff like unless you hate your family, you are not worthy. We try to downgrade it, because we don't understand what He's saying. Whoever loves their life will lose it, whoever hates their life will keep it! We don't get it because most people like life. The last will be first, the first will be last, on and on.

There is energy that is effected when we focus on pleasure. When we ignore pleasure of the flesh, like sex and fasting, the two greatest urges of the flesh, something awakens in us. We are in essence killing the flesh at this point. Our soul becomes compatible to the Holy Spirit. This quickening (becoming one) is our rebirth into the Spirit. This adoption is salvation. It's not wanting sex and painfully abstaining, it's wanting God so much that all flesh just lacks luster.

Most people function, Christians included, to please man and self. How much do we really need? Why do we want so much? This want is another energy altering vice. True gratitude giving appreciation for what we have changes our minds from wanting anything. All of Christ's words were pointing to the fact that it's not the action that causes sin, it's the heart condition that makes us sinful. Desire alone is the seed of unrighteousness. Denying what we want makes us bitter and unloving. The Pharisees demonstrated this. When you live by rules, you want everybody to follow the rules and get upset when others don't. You want them to get caught and punished. This is all negative energy, preventing you from resonating the frequency compatible to the Holy Spirit.

You have to think of it like a wifi signal. The signal (Spirit) is everywhere. In order to connect you need a device capable to receive it and the password. The device is your soul set at a loving frequency and the password is having no guilt, made possible because Christ's sacrifice.

Maybe this clears it up, maybe I look like a lunatic. Either way it gives fullness to what Christ was teaching.

For the record, in my opinion, "God" is not the name we are not supposed to take in vain. It's the "given" name He told to Moses. However, I wonder how He feels about "Jesus". If we are given a name to be healed and saved, and to pray to the Father in a specific name, why change it? Yeshua, is closer to the name of Christ. My name is Steve. If I said go to the carpet store and tell them Steve sent you, so you will get a good deal, then when you got there, said Dave sent me, do you think you will get the same deal? Maybe it's nothing, but if we are given a Name above Names, I think we should use it, even just for respect sake.

I'm pretty sure it is. Metaphysics and giving up stuff saves.

The Whirling Dervishes wiped themselves up in a frenzy to be closer to God. Sounds like what Hungry hungers for in abstaining.
 

lastofall

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"And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was so.." (1 Kings 19:11-13)
 
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I think I'm writing it plainly but I'm sorry it's not easy to understand. We are all energy. This isn't new age it's scientific. It's not mysterious, it's measurable. We are created in a certain way just like everything humans make. If a device is remote control operated then the signal is sent from the controller to the device which makes it function. The frequency differentiates among controllers and devices, and within that frequency there are other frequencies to determine which function to perform. Our brain and body emit frequencies that can be measured. Not new age.
 
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Ariel82

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We do emit energy. However our spiritual bodies are more then just wavelengths and we have a material body made up of atoms.

When electrons fall from a higher orbital to a lower orbital, light and energy is emitted.

How the spiritual body interacts with matter, can be observed and studied through Western medicine doesn't recognize it. Acupucture and acupressure is based on the elelectrical currents flowing through the body.

However, the Holy Spirit and how God works confuse people because He transcends what the world's religious people teach and believe.

Most religions teaches law based salvation which I compare to the natural law of gravity.

Jesus taught grace based salvation which is liken into the law of aerodynamics that allows us to put heavier than air planes in the sky.

You can be born again by believing in what Jesus did on the cross for us. However before rebirth, there is death or admiting that you are spiritually dead in your sins.

Then God through His Holy Spirit brings you alive again.

So before being born again, you are spiritually flatlining. God takes the paddles and shocks your heart back to life.

This is done through grace. Not because you deserved it. Not because you abstained or fasted enough to get it.

Jesus message is radically different from the rest of the world's religion because He demands faith in what God has done for you.

Most other religions say you must first do for God or met a requirement before God will listen. Jesus says that is a lie.

He says God waits with open arms to receive His born again children, it they will but have faith that Jesus death on the cross was enough to wash away their sins. Repentance that creates a heart sorrowful into salvation, because they realise their need of a savior. Faith in the grace of God for that salvation. Born again when the Holy Spirit comes to live in the hearts of God's adopted children to lead, teach and intercede for them.

We need to listen to not only God's "frequency" but also read His written word, pray, be a part of a Holy Spirit filled church, learn and grow with Him.

Our bodies are more than just energy and frequencies.
 
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I think I'm writing it plainly but I'm sorry it's not easy to understand. We are all energy. This isn't new age it's scientific. It's not mysterious, it's measurable. We are created in a certain way just like everything humans make. If a device is remote control operated then the signal is sent from the controller to the device which makes it function. The frequency differentiates among controllers and devices, and within that frequency there are other frequencies to determine which function to perform. Our brain and body emit frequencies that can be measured. Not new age.
There's the rub. You keep talking about "we." God talks about God. Yet you keep saying you are getting special revelation about God while talking about what's in it for you.

What does this have to do with what God wants us to know about him?
 

shittim

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Job 33-14- "For G-d speaks one way, then another, though you don't perceive it."
He speaks to us all the time , we need to learn to perceive it.