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Is everything sin?...........mistakes, and fleeting thoughts, daily temptations, that are not taken to heart are not sin as many would have you think..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n66BNGvJg04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n66BNGvJg04
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The vile sins of the flesh are termed "iniquity", when they abound the love of many waxes cold...The church in Rev. in Johns day Thyatira, was doing the most service and outreaching works but was living in the iniquity of fornication.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. (the innocent will not carry the burden of iniquity, only the doers on iniquity who test the depths of Satan)
25 But that which ye have already hold fast (faith) till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works (obey His commandments) unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Martin Luther it appears tested the depths of Satan...He contended that one needs to sin more and more to get back at Satan ..strange indeed.....
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. (the innocent will not carry the burden of iniquity, only the doers on iniquity who test the depths of Satan)
25 But that which ye have already hold fast (faith) till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works (obey His commandments) unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Martin Luther it appears tested the depths of Satan...He contended that one needs to sin more and more to get back at Satan ..strange indeed.....
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The saved in sin crowd invent rhetorical mechanisms to make the text say something different than what it actually says in its full context, they no not that Paul was writing full letters and quoting OT text to establish where he was coming from in doctrine…He didn’t write the letters in chapters and verses, but whole letters. That’s why they have no idea what Paul was speaking of when he said “It is written, there is none good no not one”. They just gravitate to what makes the flesh feel good and justifies sin…If examined in context the scripture Paul was quoting from, it is clear that Paul was saying among the wicked there is none good no not one. He was speaking of the Gentiles as a nation, he even quotes Psalms 14 & 32 to start with whereas it speaks of fools who say in their heart there is no God. Common sense should prevail in that the bible testifies of good men and women on multiple occasions, there are over 200 verses that speak of righteous men and women.
So by common sense one should say I want to examine what Paul said a little closer to understand wear he is coming from, but they don’t because they operate in the spirit of emotion. Therefore the truth of scripture goes over their heads because of faulty examination and adherence to the flesh desires that should have been put away in repentance. They do the same thing with Isiah 64 “all our works are as filthy rags”, not realizing the whole context whereas Isiah is speaking of Israel as a nation not individual people. I have the whole study on both of these if any desire to see them The carnally minded receive nothing from God because the focus is on justifying sin and pleasing the flesh while still going to heaven..Hence the desires of the flesh override truth and they are oblivious to it. The mind is then forced to work overtime creating mythical scripture to please the heart's desires.
So by common sense one should say I want to examine what Paul said a little closer to understand wear he is coming from, but they don’t because they operate in the spirit of emotion. Therefore the truth of scripture goes over their heads because of faulty examination and adherence to the flesh desires that should have been put away in repentance. They do the same thing with Isiah 64 “all our works are as filthy rags”, not realizing the whole context whereas Isiah is speaking of Israel as a nation not individual people. I have the whole study on both of these if any desire to see them The carnally minded receive nothing from God because the focus is on justifying sin and pleasing the flesh while still going to heaven..Hence the desires of the flesh override truth and they are oblivious to it. The mind is then forced to work overtime creating mythical scripture to please the heart's desires.
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Purification of the heart, working through sinful behaviour of the past takes time.
Coming to Christ is the first step. Through Christ and love working in the heart
purification starts its work.
I know the goal, but taking a sinner who is bound in sin, they can only be freed
by repentance, confession and faith in Christ. But it is then a walk of faith,
and cleansing, through grace, with struggles and discipline.
This takes time. To even start this walk you must be born again. No one can
by themselves purify themselves before being born again. The cleansing is the work
of the Holy Spirit and it takes time.
So the video is preaching from an impossible point of being like Christ before you
come to faith, which is absurd. But this is the simplistic solution, to answer the
problem of transformation by saying you start cleansed.
When you start building a house you start with the foundations, not with the
finished building. And the place is a mess as you dig and lay the foundations with
a vision of the finished work.
Coming to Christ is the first step. Through Christ and love working in the heart
purification starts its work.
I know the goal, but taking a sinner who is bound in sin, they can only be freed
by repentance, confession and faith in Christ. But it is then a walk of faith,
and cleansing, through grace, with struggles and discipline.
This takes time. To even start this walk you must be born again. No one can
by themselves purify themselves before being born again. The cleansing is the work
of the Holy Spirit and it takes time.
So the video is preaching from an impossible point of being like Christ before you
come to faith, which is absurd. But this is the simplistic solution, to answer the
problem of transformation by saying you start cleansed.
When you start building a house you start with the foundations, not with the
finished building. And the place is a mess as you dig and lay the foundations with
a vision of the finished work.
Yes and Amen to what Benjamin Dunn said. The Holy Spirit indwells us believers and this means something major for our testimony.
And I find it interesting that John put it down instead of one of the other Apostles. John was able to identify himself as the apostle Jesus loved. Jesus loved all the apostles but John recognized the love Jesus had for him individually and claimed it for his own. Something I've found is major in having victory in this life. And also we have the Holy Spirit who empowers and teaches and comforts and directs us. How can we lose?? We win on all counts. John 7:38-39
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38 [/SUP]He who believes in Me [who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water.
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39 [/SUP]But He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed (trusted, had faith) in Him were afterward to receive. For the [Holy] Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (raised to honor).
And I find it interesting that John put it down instead of one of the other Apostles. John was able to identify himself as the apostle Jesus loved. Jesus loved all the apostles but John recognized the love Jesus had for him individually and claimed it for his own. Something I've found is major in having victory in this life. And also we have the Holy Spirit who empowers and teaches and comforts and directs us. How can we lose?? We win on all counts. John 7:38-39
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38 [/SUP]He who believes in Me [who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water.
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39 [/SUP]But He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed (trusted, had faith) in Him were afterward to receive. For the [Holy] Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (raised to honor).
Yes I agree with you sister. The battlefield is in the mind and where it all plays out. That is why identity is so important. I like what FreeInChrist said about sinners. It goes to the identity of the person. Who you are will decide what you can and will do. When we have full confidence in what Jesus has done in our lives we will be empowered to sin no more. And this confidence is one of the growing kind. We learn how to be confident in Christ.
Jesus gave the woman who was caught in the sin of adultery the gift of no condemnation and then He told her "neither do I condemn you., go and sin no more." Amazing truth amazing grace.
I find it odd that the hyper-legalists are those who claim God does not
condemn people only satan does.
They also hate reading the law and seeing how the law strictly defines what is
sin and what is not sin.
They want everything to be sinful and righteousness in God to be impossible.
So please let us look at how scripture describes sinful behaviour
sexual immorality, impurity, greed, lust, evil desires, perjury, thefts, magic arts, debauchery,
idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions
factions, envy, dunkenness, orgies, lying, carousing, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy
slander, arrogance, folly, self-indulgence, depravity
But avoiding and repenting of this behaviour does not make you saved or even righteous
in Gods eyes. But walking in these things is real sin, and is not acceptable for people of
the Kingdom.
Now you will find "hyper-legalism" hates to clearly declare its limits, because the limits
they want are infinite. Getting right with God and walking righteously in Christ was never
their objective, just total discouragement to the point of surrender to failure and only Jesus
and faith can rescue you depraved person as one walks in failure.
condemn people only satan does.
They also hate reading the law and seeing how the law strictly defines what is
sin and what is not sin.
They want everything to be sinful and righteousness in God to be impossible.
So please let us look at how scripture describes sinful behaviour
sexual immorality, impurity, greed, lust, evil desires, perjury, thefts, magic arts, debauchery,
idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions
factions, envy, dunkenness, orgies, lying, carousing, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy
slander, arrogance, folly, self-indulgence, depravity
But avoiding and repenting of this behaviour does not make you saved or even righteous
in Gods eyes. But walking in these things is real sin, and is not acceptable for people of
the Kingdom.
Now you will find "hyper-legalism" hates to clearly declare its limits, because the limits
they want are infinite. Getting right with God and walking righteously in Christ was never
their objective, just total discouragement to the point of surrender to failure and only Jesus
and faith can rescue you depraved person as one walks in failure.
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"It’s not what you do as a Christian that determines who you are; it’s who you are that determines what you do.
Sadly, a great number of Christians are trapped in the same pit. We fail, so we see ourselves as failures, which only causes us to fail more. We sin, so we see ourselves as sinners, which only causes us to sin more. We’ve been tricked into believing that what we do makes us what we are. And that false belief sends us into a tailspin of hopelessness and defeat." - Neil Anderson
Sadly, a great number of Christians are trapped in the same pit. We fail, so we see ourselves as failures, which only causes us to fail more. We sin, so we see ourselves as sinners, which only causes us to sin more. We’ve been tricked into believing that what we do makes us what we are. And that false belief sends us into a tailspin of hopelessness and defeat." - Neil Anderson
People simply are not open enough about what they regard as sin and what is just
self condemnation. Most are just into self condemnation which is just discouragement
and depression and not even a sin related issue.
Deep in peoples attitudes are hurts and pains from their childhood which define who
they are. When these are never tackled, or allowed to let the Lord in to help with
healing and forgiveness, the same sense of failure continues, rather than preciousness
in knowing you are a child of God.
self condemnation. Most are just into self condemnation which is just discouragement
and depression and not even a sin related issue.
Deep in peoples attitudes are hurts and pains from their childhood which define who
they are. When these are never tackled, or allowed to let the Lord in to help with
healing and forgiveness, the same sense of failure continues, rather than preciousness
in knowing you are a child of God.
F
You couldn't be more wrong. What people are not open to is seeing the depth of their own sin. Its not only murder that deserves death, but hate. It’s not only adultery that condemns, but lust. Not only theft, but coveting. It’s not only what is done with your hands that is judged, but what is done in your heart. And until a person sees the depth of their own sin they will never see their need for a Savior. Mans primary problem is not psychological, it's spiritual.
We are both right. And do you know what the biggest issue is? We are alone.
Deep inside people feel abandoned, and alone, no one understands, no one can reach
them and it is all unfair. Almost everything springs from this loneliness and the hurt.
We defend the hurt and grab as much as we can before someone else does. And when
we have got it, we want to keep as much of it as we can and say, it is ours.
And do you know what the answer is? The cross and forgiveness. You and I are loved
by God, and it is this belief that we are alone and hurt which must be defended at all
costs that dooms us to hell. There is only one behaviour pattern that this spiritual reality
leads to and it is the destruction of others for our benefit, to make us feel more secure
and safe, until nothing is left. But inside nothing changes, it just means we have not
done enough so we need more of everything.
Until Christ is in one, the Holy Spirit dwelling within, and one knows nothing one has, has
value apart from knowing the King, the Lord and Saviour of all.
I used to feel this pain of loneliness and depression. Now I do not.
Everything changes because the life flows from within to without.
If you have let Christ into this place you will understand what I am saying.
If not, I suggest you open the door and ask Him in.
Deep inside people feel abandoned, and alone, no one understands, no one can reach
them and it is all unfair. Almost everything springs from this loneliness and the hurt.
We defend the hurt and grab as much as we can before someone else does. And when
we have got it, we want to keep as much of it as we can and say, it is ours.
And do you know what the answer is? The cross and forgiveness. You and I are loved
by God, and it is this belief that we are alone and hurt which must be defended at all
costs that dooms us to hell. There is only one behaviour pattern that this spiritual reality
leads to and it is the destruction of others for our benefit, to make us feel more secure
and safe, until nothing is left. But inside nothing changes, it just means we have not
done enough so we need more of everything.
Until Christ is in one, the Holy Spirit dwelling within, and one knows nothing one has, has
value apart from knowing the King, the Lord and Saviour of all.
I used to feel this pain of loneliness and depression. Now I do not.
Everything changes because the life flows from within to without.
If you have let Christ into this place you will understand what I am saying.
If not, I suggest you open the door and ask Him in.
I do agree with you but I would say that as a result of hurts/pains of life experience cause people to live a sinful lifestyle.
As you say and I think it's very important that unless the individual allows God to heal them and walk with them in process of forgiveness and knowing they are forgiven by God then it's very very difficult to break a pattern of what ever we do to self medicate rather than allow the Holy Spirit to be our medicine.
As you say and I think it's very important that unless the individual allows God to heal them and walk with them in process of forgiveness and knowing they are forgiven by God then it's very very difficult to break a pattern of what ever we do to self medicate rather than allow the Holy Spirit to be our medicine.