Be angry, and yet do not sin

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[FONT=&quot]Question asked by Pamelasv:[/FONT]
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· [FONT=&quot]“Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:” (Ephesians 4.26)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]How do you explain this one? The only kind of anger I am aware of is a righteous anger.[/FONT]
 

CLee622

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Jesus overturned tables and did a lot of things in the temple that appeared to the people viewing it as "unrighteous anger" .. God is angry at sin all day but never sins. We are imperfect but...He can teach us how to have a loving heart while still being angry at sin and all it does.

I am at the point of trying to teach my 3 1/2 year old to not "hate" Satan...just ignore him and do what God wants us to do. She's cute but I would rather her talk about The Savior than Satan.
 
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Jesus overturned tables and did a lot of things in the temple that appeared to the people viewing it as "unrighteous anger" .. God is angry at sin all day but never sins. We are imperfect but...He can teach us how to have a loving heart while still being angry at sin and all it does.

I am at the point of trying to teach my 3 1/2 year old to not "hate" Satan...just ignore him and do what God wants us to do. She's cute but I would rather her talk about The Savior than Satan.
[FONT=&quot]I liked the answer. It makes me think that the difference between our anger and that of the Eternal is that:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]• [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the Eternal is angry because He loves the sinner and does not want to be obliged to allow the evil that His justice requires to fall upon him;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]• [/FONT][FONT=&quot]we take pleasure in evil and want it to fall upon those we feel deserved.[/FONT]
 
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I think anger is a normal emotion- we get angry all the time at different things. I don't think it is BEING angry that is the sin, but the acting on it that is sinful. "Be ye angry and sin not.." If I am angry and seek revenge upon the person I am angry with, that is sin. If I am angry and lose my temper and lash out, that is sin. It is not the emotion that is sinful, it is how it is manifested that shows sin.

I don't believe emotions are sinful, but thoughts and actions are.

For example, many times He tells us in His word not to be afraid, not to worry, to not be sad- but they are NEVER condemned as sins. God is very good to us, He does not condemn emotions, but tells us How to look to Him and how to behave despite our emotions.

"Let not the sun go down on your anger." - I think means not to hold onto grudges- to seek forgiveness and reconciliation.
 

Sirk

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anger is an indication that a boundary has been crossed or a core value has been violated. Anger is a tool that when used properly aids in processing painful emotions. It is part of the grieving process. Anger is not bad.
 

Magenta

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I think anger is a normal emotion- we get angry all the time at different things. I don't think it is BEING angry that is the sin, but the acting on it that is sinful. "Be ye angry and sin not.." If I am angry and seek revenge upon the person I am angry with, that is sin. If I am angry and lose my temper and lash out, that is sin. It is not the emotion that is sinful, it is how it is manifested that shows sin.

I don't believe emotions are sinful, but thoughts and actions are.

For example, many times He tells us in His word not to be afraid, not to worry, to not be sad- but they are NEVER condemned as sins. God is very good to us, He does not condemn emotions, but tells us How to look to Him and how to behave despite our emotions.

"Let not the sun go down on your anger." - I think means not to hold onto grudges- to seek forgiveness and reconciliation.
Jesus equated anger with murder, and lust with adultery. Coveting is also spoken against extensively in the commandments... just examples of how thoughts and emotions can be sinful :(
 
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Jesus equated anger with murder, and lust with adultery. Coveting is also spoken against extensively in the commandments... just examples of how thoughts and emotions can be sinful :(
I don't think of lust and covetousness as emotions, but as thoughts- with emotions attached. But things like fear, anger, and sadness can be totally unreasoning and irrational- without thought. It is not anger that Christ equates with murder, but anger without a cause, which I think is more akin to hate. Hate is a far cry from anger. I can be angry with my sister but never hate her. Some misunderstanding may cause me to be angry with her, but I do not hate her.

I have seen very, angry children when working in the mental hospital. They were angry with a cause. That is different, I do believe. Matt. 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause...."

Perhaps I am splitting hairs, here.
 
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Anger could led to murder and strong desire(lust) to adultery, however Jesus had both anger and strong desire and they were certainly not sins. The feelings are not a sin, it is what the feelings are directed toward that can make it a sin.
 

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Question asked by Pamelasv:

· “Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:” (Ephesians 4.26)

How do you explain this one? The only kind of anger I am aware of is a righteous anger.
Really? You've never seen impatience anger? I see it in drivers all the time.
 

Sirk

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anger is also a secondary emotion. there is always a primary emotion underlying it.
 
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Question asked by Pamelasv:

· “Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:” (Ephesians 4.26)

How do you explain this one? The only kind of anger I am aware of is a righteous anger.
We know,God knows,that we cannot hide our emotions at times,for they will pop up whether we want them to or not,for we have human emotions,and we get mad,sad,and glad.

Living as saints,and it can apply to the world,but they usually handle it the wrong way,people will get us upset,things will get us upset,but when things get us upset,which I will say people mainly,do not sin because of it,and do not let the sun go down on your wrath,for while you are angry that a person upset you,let it go as quick as possible,for you will be mad for the human emotion of anger cannot help but come up,even if a little bit,but do not foster it and elevate it for you want to feel the emotion of angry,but let it run its course,and subside.

A person might cut you off in traffic,do not flip them the bird.A person may insult you with a word,do not insult back.A person may hit your brand new car,do not want to get out of the car,and kick the crap out of them,and if you are hurt do not think to kick the crap out of them.

Whatever people do that would offend us,and insult us,that gets us upset and mad,do not sin because of their action towards you,and do not elevate the emotion because you want to feel angry,but let it runs its course,and subside,for I know sometimes when someone upsets us we want to hold on to anger and enjoy that anger,why,because living as saints and trying to be peaceful people,it is the only way to get revenge is by being angry,for we might not want to physically harm them,or insult them with words,and God said be angry for He knows you cannot help it.

Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk 8:53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead.

Joh 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
Joh 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables.

Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Mar 3:6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

Jesus being God manifest in the flesh,had the emotion of anger according to His humanity,but His anger had the proper motivation,and did not sin because of it,which concerning the temple,He made a scourge of small cords,I do not believe it was to hit people,but to drive the animals out the house of God,for the temple of God was not to be used as a place for buying merchandise,but a house of prayer.
 

Magenta

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I don't think of lust and covetousness as emotions, but as thoughts- with emotions attached. But things like fear, anger, and sadness can be totally unreasoning and irrational- without thought. It is not anger that Christ equates with murder, but anger without a cause, which I think is more akin to hate. Hate is a far cry from anger. I can be angry with my sister but never hate her. Some misunderstanding may cause me to be angry with her, but I do not hate her.

I have seen very, angry children when working in the mental hospital. They were angry with a cause. That is different, I do believe. Matt. 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause...."

Perhaps I am splitting hairs, here.
Yes, I was speaking about thoughts and emotions as being sin, meaning those things which do not have to leave the realm of the psyche for them to be considered sin. Envy and jealousy can be huge parts of coveting, which are more emotionally driven... there always seems to be some element of thought in emotion and vice versa; it is hard to completely separate them. Even anger, a person dwells on in a mental capacity, intellectually, even if irrationally.

I don't think anything is without cause. There is a reason why those children are angry. Nobody may understand the reason but it is there, even if their anger is the result of a chemical imbalance and not something that can be attributed to a circumstance in their life, like a parent dying, for instance. The point is that anger and things of an emotional/psychological nature are considered sin.

The heart of man is the originator of all sin. How rational it is, may be immeasurable after all. Lust is quite primal. People throw their lives away over it. Crimes of passion used to be given a reduced sentence because so little thought was involved, unlike something like premeditated murder. Still, Jesus did call anger murder, without having to act out on it.
 
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Yes, I was speaking about thoughts and emotions as being sin, meaning those things which do not have to leave the realm of the psyche for them to be considered sin. Envy and jealousy can be huge parts of coveting, which are more emotionally driven... there always seems to be some element of thought in emotion and vice versa; it is hard to completely separate them. Even anger, a person dwells on in a mental capacity, intellectually, even if irrationally.

I don't think anything is without cause. There is a reason why those children are angry. Nobody may understand the reason but it is there, even if their anger is the result of a chemical imbalance and not something that can be attributed to a circumstance in their life, like a parent dying, for instance. The point is that anger and things of an emotional/psychological nature are considered sin.

The heart of man is the originator of all sin. How rational it is, may be immeasurable after all. Lust is quite primal. People throw their lives away over it. Crimes of passion used to be given a reduced sentence because so little thought was involved, unlike something like premeditated murder. Still, Jesus did call anger murder, without having to act out on it.
Yes, anger is a sin. I will have to concede this. But God is good and forgives even murder.
 

Magenta

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Yes, anger is a sin. I will have to concede this. But God is good and forgives even murder.
That is true. God is good! His grace and mercies endure forever :)
 

CLee622

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Our anger can be sin. That's why it says BE angry...and sin not. The verse says "if you hate your brother" you are a murderer at heart meaning taking offense to yourself taking anger too far when you yourself are unworthy to be upset about anything. Only God can "be angry, sin not" we are made in His image so we have all His emotions, just imperfectly.

the longer I walk with Him the less I even try to discern "was I really sinning?" Because He knows. I pray repent if I feel I did wrong and trust Him to change me more.
 

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Yes, anger is a sin. I will have to concede this. But God is good and forgives even murder.
****does anyone out there think God is pleased with anger sometimes----when would that be?---and why would it be good to angry?
 

Sirk

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****does anyone out there think God is pleased with anger sometimes----when would that be?---and why would it be good to angry?
God created the emotion of anger. It is good. Anger is not sin. What you do out of anger is what can be sin. Anger tells you that something isn't right. That there is an emotional pain going on.
 

p_rehbein

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True, OR, what the anger is born from.............

Anger, in and of itself is not a sin. God can not sin, and Scripture tells us that God is an angry God as well as a Loving God, thus, anger, in and of itself is not a sin. Jesus displayed anger when He threw those guys out of the Temple, but He did not sin in doing so.



Anger could led to murder and strong desire(lust) to adultery, however Jesus had both anger and strong desire and they were certainly not sins. The feelings are not a sin, it is what the feelings are directed toward that can make it a sin.
 

p_rehbein

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Jesus vs. the guys in the Temple. Do you think God was displeased with Jesus when He sent those guys packing? :)

****does anyone out there think God is pleased with anger sometimes----when would that be?---and why would it be good to angry?
 

p_rehbein

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Found this Article......it is a pretty good read:


What is "Righteous Anger"? | Christian Bible Studies


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[FONT=&quot]Sometimes, however, God allows his people to fuss and remain faithful. Such is the case when King David furrows his brow and huffs:[/FONT]
God, I wish you would kill the wicked!
Get away from me, you murderers!
They say evil things about you.
Your enemies use your name thoughtlessly.
Lord, I hate those who hate you;
I hate those who rise up against you.
I feel only hate for them;
they are my enemies (Psalm 139:19–22, NCV).