Should we hope for salvation if we're saved ?...... yes or no correct version.

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once we're born again do we still hope for salvation..

  • yes

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • no im boen again my salvation is allready assured

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • yes im saved but my salvation hasnt been declared yet.

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • no im born again my salvation has been declared.

    Votes: 2 12.5%

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Should we hope for salvation if where saved... yes or no........[/h] I dont want to take anyones hope of salvation away but i would like for people to hope for salvation.

(Matthew 24:13) "But he who shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

(my interpratation of this we can be saved until the end but salvation comes at the end..


(Mark 16:16 RPT) "He who believed and was baptised shall be saved;"(Ahain it speaks of being saved untill the end but doesnt include salvation.

(Acts 15:11) "But we believe that through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

Again this saying you are saved your on the right path so to speak..


(Romans 13:11) "for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

"Of course it is because youve excepted Jesus but please note this mentions nearer meaning your salvation hasnt been declared yet..


(you are to hope and pray for it.)


(Philippians 2:12) "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

(keep the faith).

(1 Peter 1:5 RPT) "Who are being kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.".

(this scipture well and truly points out you can be saved until the end but salvation isnt for us to decide rather we are to work out are own salvation without fear or trembling.. and for me there is only one way to work this out and that is as long as you keep the faith and dont abandon it then your salvation is nearer to the end..



As you can all see that he that endureth to the end is truly saved (salvation..)
 
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*****hope in the sense of seeing Jesus in the end, while knowing we are already saved--- staying faithful and looking forward to being in heaven is fine---but don't hope to be saved when we are already saved...
 
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*****hope in the sense of seeing Jesus in the end, while knowing we are already saved--- staying faithful and looking forward to being in heaven is fine---but don't hope to be saved when we are already saved...
being saved and recieving salvation are two diffrent things my friend.
 

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We are saved when we had believed in Jesus Christ as our Savior.

What is coming on the earth of that fiery judgment is what believers seek to be saved from and not get left behind to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House..

It is being saved from what is coming on the earth is what running the race is all about.

2 Peter 3:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,[SUP]4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,[SUP]12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?[SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

So we are saved.

But running that race by faith in Jesus Christ in helping us to lay aside every weight & sin to be ready to go to escape what is coming on the earth is what we are ALSO being saved from.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP]34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP]35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
 
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We are saved when we had believed in Jesus Christ as our Savior.

What is coming on the earth of that fiery judgment is what believers seek to be saved from and not get left behind to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House..

It is being saved from what is coming on the earth is what running the race is all about.

2 Peter 3:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,[SUP]4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,[SUP]12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?[SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

So we are saved.

But running that race by faith in Jesus Christ in helping us to lay aside every weight & sin to be ready to go to escape what is coming on the earth is what we are ALSO being saved from.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP]34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP]35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.



Romans 8:24
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…23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit,(born again saved )... groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons,(salvation ) the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.…


Can you see the diffrence that being saved is not the same as salvation ? :)

the bolded is very true wouls you say ?
 
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Romans 8:24
Future Glory
…23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit,(born again saved )... groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons,(salvation ) the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.…


Can you see the diffrence that being saved is not the same as salvation ? :)

the bolded is very true wouls you say ?
Ask Him for confirmation but that is about actually receiving eternal life; the redemption of our bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,[SUP]52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

We are saved, but we have not actually received the redemption of our bodies yet when death can still happen to us. It is when we have been transformed at the pre trib rapture event is what Paul was talking about.

Ephesians 1:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:[SUP]12 [/SUP]That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,[SUP]14[/SUP]Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

So how we had received the promise of the Holy Spirit at our salvation after hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ of Whom we believed in is why the elect holding to that faith shall receive that redemption of our bodies where we shall be transformed like unto angels that can never die, but those left behind for believing otherwise, will not be transformed and die unless they repent before the Bridegroom comes. The castaways are still His, but their inheritance will not be like the angels that can never die as they will need to eat from the tree of life in having a terrestriel inheritance until death is cast into the lake of fire forever.
 
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Ask Him for confirmation but that is about actually receiving eternal life; the redemption of our bodies.

I asked you does salvation and being saved to you have two diffrent meaning or are they the same to you ?:)
 

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Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope.

Faith is
the substance of things hoped for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life (Titus 3:7).

We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification); we are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification); we will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification). Enduring to the end is the mark of genuine conversion.
 

CLee622

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Behold, God is my Salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my Strength and my Song; He also is become My salvation.


He only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defence; I shall not be greatly moved.


Blessed be the Lord, Who daily bears our burden, The God who is our Salvation. Selah.
 
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For the 9 millionth time....the HOPE of the bible is NOT the ENGLISH HOPE that we use today....

It is a confident expectation of something already GUARANTEED.........
 
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For the 9 millionth time....the HOPE of the bible is NOT the ENGLISH HOPE that we use today....

It is a confident expectation of something already GUARANTEED.........
can i ask you is being saved and salvation exactly the same meaning for you. and if your answer is yes then can you explain all the scripture i have wrote. because to me it looks clear that salvation is the reward for keeping the faith.. for he that endureth to the end shall be eternaly saved..

The bible also makes reference that those born of the first fruits.. born again wait patiently to be adopted as sons.

Can you please answer what this means ?.
 
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being saved and recieving salvation are two diffrent things my friend.
Only in that one is in verb form and the other is in noun form. :)
 
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can i ask you is being saved and salvation exactly the same meaning for you. and if your answer is yes then can you explain all the scripture i have wrote. because to me it looks clear that salvation is the reward for keeping the faith.. for he that endureth to the end shall be eternaly saved..

The bible also makes reference that those born of the first fruits.. born again wait patiently to be adopted as sons.

Can you please answer what this means ?.

Matthew 24 is within the context of enduring the great tribulation and your physical life.......and is not applicable unto the salvation of the spirit.....when one believes into and on Jesus they are BORN AGAIN of INCORRUPTABLE SEED.....that is a ONE TIME BIRTH just LIKE your PHYSICAL BIRTH is a ONE TIME BIRTH.....the SPIRITUAL birth results in a birth based upon the HOLY SPIRIT and equates to an eternally born, saved, sealed, justified and sanctified (positionally in Christ) SPIRIT......

NOW.....salvation must be fitted out....just like a soldier would arm up for war<--work out your salvation with fear and trebling....NOT that you are working for it, because you already possess it in Christ....also.....the body is still dead because of sin and the sin nature.....the sealing of the HOLY SPIRIT is the DOWN PAYMENT and proves that we have been BORN of GOD....the completed deal and finished product comes when we are given our glorified body in the resurrection/change that takes place when Jesus comes again at the end of the age....

NOT to mention ALL of the VERB TENSES that SHOW the following truth....

A PRESENT continuing result from a PAST completed action....

WE are saved the moment we believe
WE are saved right NOW
WE are continuing to be saved into the future....
 

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I asked you does salvation and being saved to you have two diffrent meaning or are they the same to you ?:)
By some of the verses you had posted in the OP, your question are not one and the same thing. If you are wondering how that can be, then reread post #7 of my reply to the OP.
 

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i know I'm copying and pasting my comment but it's good. Needs to be recognized... if you want "addresses" (verses) have a treasure hunt ;) :D <3

Behold, God is my Salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my Strength and my Song; He also is become My salvation.


He only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defence; I shall not be greatly moved.


Blessed be the Lord, Who daily bears our burden, The God who is our Salvation. Selah.
 
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Should we hope for salvation if where saved... yes or no........


I dont want to take anyones hope of salvation away but i would like for people to hope for salvation.

(Matthew 24:13) "But he who shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

(my interpratation of this we can be saved until the end but salvation comes at the end..


(Mark 16:16 RPT) "He who believed and was baptised shall be saved;"(Ahain it speaks of being saved untill the end but doesnt include salvation.

(Acts 15:11) "But we believe that through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

Again this saying you are saved your on the right path so to speak..


(Romans 13:11) "for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

"Of course it is because youve excepted Jesus but please note this mentions nearer meaning your salvation hasnt been declared yet..


(you are to hope and pray for it.)


(Philippians 2:12) "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

(keep the faith).

(1 Peter 1:5 RPT) "Who are being kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.".

(this scipture well and truly points out you can be saved until the end but salvation isnt for us to decide rather we are to work out are own salvation without fear or trembling.. and for me there is only one way to work this out and that is as long as you keep the faith and dont abandon it then your salvation is nearer to the end..



As you can all see that he that endureth to the end is truly saved (salvation..)

yes, we hope always, and we press forward in that Hope, toward that Hope compelled by the Love of Christ in whom we Have faith. << just my thought
 

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Should we hope for salvation if where saved... yes or no........


I dont want to take anyones hope of salvation away but i would like for people to hope for salvation.

(Matthew 24:13) "But he who shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

(my interpratation of this we can be saved until the end but salvation comes at the end..


(Mark 16:16 RPT) "He who believed and was baptised shall be saved;"(Ahain it speaks of being saved untill the end but doesnt include salvation.

(Acts 15:11) "But we believe that through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

Again this saying you are saved your on the right path so to speak..


(Romans 13:11) "for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

"Of course it is because youve excepted Jesus but please note this mentions nearer meaning your salvation hasnt been declared yet..


(you are to hope and pray for it.)


(Philippians 2:12) "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

(keep the faith).

(1 Peter 1:5 RPT) "Who are being kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.".

(this scipture well and truly points out you can be saved until the end but salvation isnt for us to decide rather we are to work out are own salvation without fear or trembling.. and for me there is only one way to work this out and that is as long as you keep the faith and dont abandon it then your salvation is nearer to the end..



As you can all see that he that endureth to the end is truly saved (salvation..)
Its not enough to be saved, we have to stay saved. "IF (conditional statement) you remain faithful till the end, you will receive a crown of life."
 
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Its not enough to be saved, we have to stay saved. "IF (conditional statement) you remain faithful till the end, you will receive a crown of life."
Crown of life is not salvation. It is a reward. Many believers are not going to have the crown of life.

Salvation is a GIFT and it is IRREVOCABLE. And Post #15 wonderfully explains that salvation must be fitted out.....like the army.

You can remain a private in the army or you can advance, receive the crown of life(royalty), and rule with the King.