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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    Do you know that it is prophesied that would happen near the time of Jesus return??
    Please, show me where any thing is prophesied about Jesus in the Tanach. You don't have to use the NT because it is obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    Trofimus, do you understand the concept of Logic? Hoping you do, my second question is, do you understand the concept of absolute Oneness? If you had read the thread as I expected you did, you could have paraphrased this post of yours above before you posted it. There is no three in one or one in three. One is one in absolute terms; no other way to express it
    Logic? You can even see it in nature, if you wish.

    There are one-cell organisms. There are multi-cells organisms. So called "higher" life. The multiplicity of cells makes a one higher being.

    Why is it so difficult for some to accept that the higher being (God) can contain multiple persons? Just because we have only one? Quite a low thinking.
    Do not be worried about many things - only one thing is needed (Lk 10:41-42).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    For two reasons, this text above never happened between Jesus and the Jewish authorities. The first is that there has never been
    a Jew who has expressed his knowledge of the Messiah as son of God. That's simply not Jewish. This is an evidence that there was no Court of the Sanhedrin to decided the case of Jesus. And the second reason is that the Sanhedrin would never behave as
    wild pack of animals in their voracious process to devour their catch. The bottom line is that the Hellenist who wrote that gospel was anxious to mess up with the Jewish order of applying justice. (Mat. 26:62-67)

    And the facts backing that up would be? It doesn't say they had knowledge of Jesus as Messiah,it says they said He was blaspheming. I understand you believe Christians to be anti-semetic and some are,some believe that. I do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    Do you know that it is prophesied that would happen near the time of Jesus return??
    Please, show me where any thing is prophesied about Jesus in the Tanach. You don't have to use the NT because it is obvious.

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    Daniel the Prophet prophesied that the Messiah would be cut off for his people and that the sanctuary would be destroyed afterwards. Biblical history backs up this prophecy that the Messiah would come before the destruction of the second Holy Temple. Jesus Christ came before the destruction of the second Holy Temple in 70 CE and he was cut off for his people like the other prophecy tells us in Isaiah 53. He is known as the Son of God because he is from the living seed of Eve who is known as the mother of the living. You need to go back and study your Hebrew Tanakh again.

    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. 'Daniel 9:25-27
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    Please, show me where any thing is prophesied about Jesus in the Tanach. You don't have to use the NT because it is obvious.
    "Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity; you love righteousness and hate wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions."
    (Psalm 45:6,7)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    Please, show me where any thing is prophesied about Jesus in the Tanach. You don't have to use the NT because it is obvious.

    Oh, I'm not trying to prove anything to you. Just pointing out an interesting thing that we believe and that you confirm as happening in here and now. Praise God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevenseas View Post
    well, don't respond to me then you are not being honest. Genesis...what's going on at creation?

    how many gods were represented when God said let us make man in our image? did you count them? were they plural or one?
    I will answer your question in Genesis 1:26 with a new thread I am posting right now to satisfy your interest on that issue. Please, try to read it with gusto! The title is "Impersonation of God's Attributes."
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    The Godhead is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who is one God. We are made in the image of God flesh, soul, and spirit. God is also heavenly body, Soul, and Spirit. One God of three bodies / persons like we are sir. Jesus Christ is known as the Word of God who spoke everything in to creation by faith. The name Christ also means Messiah and they both mean the anointed one.

    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    Please, show me where any thing is prophesied about Jesus in the Tanach. You don't have to use the NT because it is obvious.
    "Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet."
    Psalm 22:16
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    I have a question, (raising my hand)? Since God is "One" according to the "shema," Deuteronomy 6:4 can you please explain the following? Why was not the Hebrew word "yachid" used at Deuteronomy 6:4 instead of "echad?" Secondily, since "yachid" means an absolute numeric one show me in the Bible where "yachid" is used to describe God's oneness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    There has never been a Jew who has expressed his knowledge of the Messiah as son of God. That's simply not Jewish.
    "I will proclaim the LORD's decree: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have become your father."
    Psalm 2:7

    Jews lost many of their messianic knowledge these days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    For two reasons, this text above never happened between Jesus and the Jewish authorities. The first is that there has never been
    a Jew who has expressed his knowledge of the Messiah as son of God. That's simply not Jewish. This is an evidence that there was no Court of the Sanhedrin to decided the case of Jesus. And the second reason is that the Sanhedrin would never behave as
    wild pack of animals in their voracious process to devour their catch. The bottom line is that the Hellenist who wrote that gospel was anxious to mess up with the Jewish order of applying justice. (Mat. 26:62-67)
    History does not back up your claim...

    Was Early Christianity Corrupted by Hellenism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    Another poster brought up Isaiah,not me. What did Jesus believe? I asked your thoughts on him. And what do you mean rescuing His reputation? Also,do you believe Jesus was referenced at all in the Torah?
    Referenced by who, you! And where is the reference, in the NT? What did you expect? To tell you the truth, to use a Jew to promote the NT is no different from vandalism of the Tanach with the teachings of the NT. Every time Jesus referred to the Scriptures as the Word of God, he always had the Tanach in mind. The NT he never even dreamed would ever rise. Besides, not a single Jew ever wrote a page of the NT which came about about 40 or 50 years after Jesus had been gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    History does not back up your claim...Was Early Christianity Corrupted by Hellenism?
    The content of the NT caused Christianity to be Hellenistic par excellence. If you ever get a copy of the NAB version of the Bible which is Catholic, check the dictionary at the end of the volume where it says that Christianity is a Hellenistic religion. And that was approved by the auspices of the Catholic Church.

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    The Absolute Oneness of God

    Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

    Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

    More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

    More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

    Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

    Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

    Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.
    What a bunch of logical fallacies.
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    Every single author of the New Testament was Jewish. If you are not going to accept the Prophesied Redeemer of Israel which was Jesus Christ. Are you going to accept the Prophesied Redeemer of Islam who is the AntiChrist? Which one are you going to accept as your Messiah? Apostate Israel slaughtered their prophets and their Messiah as prophesied they would do that because they were a stiff necked people. Since they didn't keep the commandments and statues of the Law of Moses which was to accept the Messiah they were put aside from being God's people. God set up a new covenant with the House of Israel, House of Judah, and the Gentiles that accepted him. That is why you don't see a Holy Temple in Jerusalem because Apostate Israel didn't accept their Messiah. Here are more questions for you? How are you going to have remission of sins? Have you been making your animal sacrifices on the Holy days of the Hebrew calendar. What makes you think your "good works" are going to save you when they are filthy rags in the eyes of God since animal sacrifices have ceased? We have a Holy Temple in Christianity known as the body of Christ and we also have the perfect sacrifice which is the Lamb of God Jesus Christ who died for our sins at the cross, was buried, and raised on the third day for us and the rest of the world.

    19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 'Galatians 5:19-21
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    Referenced by who, you! And where is the reference, in the NT? What did you expect? To tell you the truth, to use a Jew to promote the NT is no different from vandalism of the Tanach with the teachings of the NT. Every time Jesus referred to the Scriptures as the Word of God, he always had the Tanach in mind. The NT he never even dreamed would ever rise. Besides, not a single Jew ever wrote a page of the NT which came about about 40 or 50 years after Jesus had been gone.


    SLOW DOWN! No one can discuss with someone who is so angry. I asked IF YOU believe Jesus is referenced in the Torah. Im not talking the NT. So your comment "referenced by who" makes no sense.Im asking your opinion. And Im not asking you to promote anything.You're the one coming on a Christian site trashing us and our beliefs,not the other way round.


    Quote "Every time Jesus referred to the Scriptures as the Word of God, he always had the Tanach in mind. "

    Well Jesus claimed to be God so.... Or are you saying the entire NT is corrupted in your view?


    Quote " Besides, not a single Jew ever wrote a page of the NT which came about about 40 or 50 years after Jesus had been gone."

    History has proven it takes 100 yrs for legends to set in and stories to be changed. We accept the truth of the Alexander the Great in history and that was told far later then the NT Gospels. New studies have proven it could have been close to 30yrs when some of the Gospel message was written. Well within the timeline to be legend and myth free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    The content of the NT caused Christianity to be Hellenistic par excellence. If you ever get a copy of the NAB version of the Bible which is Catholic, check the dictionary at the end of the volume where it says that Christianity is a Hellenistic religion. And that was approved by the auspices of the Catholic Church.
    Sorry,history doesn't back up your claim. Read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    "I will proclaim the LORD's decree: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have become your father." Psalm 2:7. Jews lost many of their messianic knowledge these days...
    I carefully read your quote of Psalms 2:7 and there is absolutely no evidence of a reference to Jesus. If you want to check about the statement "Today I have become your Father," you might take a look at Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is my Son," said the Lord. That's when Israel became God's son.

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