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    The Absolute Oneness of God

    Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

    Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

    More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

    More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

    Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

    Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

    Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    The Absolute Oneness of God

    Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

    Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

    More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

    More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

    Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

    Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

    Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.
    Who doesn't believe God is one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    Who doesn't believe God is one?
    All Christians that believe Jesus was god. Just one more god renders HaShem no more of an absolute Oneness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    All Christians that believe Jesus was god. Just one more god renders HaShem no more of an absolute Oneness.
    Christianity is monotheistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    All Christians that believe Jesus was god. Just one more god renders HaShem no more of an absolute Oneness.


    well you are not a Christian so how would you know what we believe?

    Have your read Isaiah 53 or do you skip over it
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    Christianity is monotheistic.
    FNC, the assumption that Christianity is monotheistic is a wish-thinking. All Christian forms are of a Hellenistic character. The NT
    interpretation of Jesus is according to the Hellenistic concept of the Demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman if
    you read Mat. 1:18. The doctrine of the demigod affects the absolute Oneness of HaShem. I wonder about the sanity of Jews who convert to Christianity through the modalities of Christian faiths like "Jews-for-Jesus and Messianic Judaism." They can't see that these modalities are only baits to fish Jews at the time of their unawareness for lack of understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    The Absolute Oneness of God

    Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

    Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

    More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

    More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

    Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

    Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

    Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.

    Christians believe Jesus and God are One. Jesus was crucified for claiming to be God. So what do you think of the man called Jesus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    FNC, the assumption that Christianity is monotheistic is a wish-thinking. All Christian forms are of a Hellenistic character. The NT
    interpretation of Jesus is according to the Hellenistic concept of the Demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman if
    you read Mat. 1:18. The doctrine of the demigod affects the absolute Oneness of HaShem. I wonder about the sanity of Jews who convert to Christianity through the modalities of Christian faiths like "Jews-for-Jesus and Messianic Judaism." They can't see that these modalities are only baits to fish Jews at the time of their unawareness for lack of understanding.
    God is One. That is the Christian belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevenseas View Post
    well you are not a Christian so how would you know what we believe? Have your read Isaiah 53 or do you skip over it
    I know what Jesus believed as a Jew and, I am trying to rescue his reputation from the misguided attacks of Christianity. Regarding Isaiah 53, that's the chapter in the Tanach I read more even than the Torah itself. Do you have any question about Isaiah 53? I am all ears! If you read that chapter in my Bible, you will get surprised about the concordance notes throughout the
    verses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    FNC, the assumption that Christianity is monotheistic is a wish-thinking. All Christian forms are of a Hellenistic character. The NT
    interpretation of Jesus is according to the Hellenistic concept of the Demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman if
    you read Mat. 1:18. The doctrine of the demigod affects the absolute Oneness of HaShem. I wonder about the sanity of Jews who convert to Christianity through the modalities of Christian faiths like "Jews-for-Jesus and Messianic Judaism." They can't see that these modalities are only baits to fish Jews at the time of their unawareness for lack of understanding.

    okay

    so you came here to denounce Christianity

    you know, the best way to communicate is to LISTEN and ask questions and try to understand

    the WORST way to communicate, guaranteed to shut everything down, is to accuse and assume

    what is your preference?

    is it to leave as ignorant as when you came on board and self satisfied that you had it all figured out?

    or do you want to actually TRY to NOT think you know all about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    I know what Jesus believed as a Jew and, I am trying to rescue his reputation from the misguided attacks of Christianity. Regarding Isaiah 53, that's the chapter in the Tanach I read more even than the Torah itself. Do you have any question about Isaiah 53? I am all ears! If you read that chapter in my Bible, you will get surprised about the concordance notes throughout the
    verses.
    Another poster brought up Isaiah,not me. What did Jesus believe? I asked your thoughts on him. And what do you mean rescuing His reputation? Also,do you believe Jesus was referenced at all in the Torah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    I know what Jesus believed as a Jew and, I am trying to rescue his reputation from the misguided attacks of Christianity. Regarding Isaiah 53, that's the chapter in the Tanach I read more even than the Torah itself. Do you have any question about Isaiah 53? I am all ears! If you read that chapter in my Bible, you will get surprised about the concordance notes throughout the
    verses.
    Question. Are you seeing a lot of Jews in Israel becoming Christians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    Christians believe Jesus and God are One. Jesus was crucified for claiming to be God. So what do you think of the man called Jesus?
    How about the Holy Spirit, is He the third? Jesus was not crucified for claiming to be God but because he was being acclaimed as the king of the Jews in a Roman province which was Jerusalem at the time. (Luke 19:37-40) Hence, Jesus was crucified on a political charge of insurrection. Hence, his verdict commanded by Pilate to be nailed on the top of Jesus' cross. INRI. Pilate did that so that every one could see why Jesus was crucified. But, obviously, it did not help. The anti-semites were not interested in the real reason Jesus was crucified but in the slander that the Jews crucified Jesus.

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    well, don't respond to me then

    you are not being honest

    Genesis...what's going on at creation?

    how many gods were represented when God said let us make man in our image?

    did you count them? were they plural or one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    How about the Holy Spirit, is He the third? Jesus was not crucified for claiming to be God but because he was being acclaimed as the king of the Jews in a Roman province which was Jerusalem at the time. (Luke 19:37-40) Hence, Jesus was crucified on a political charge of insurrection. Hence, his verdict commanded by Pilate to be nailed on the top of Jesus' cross. INRI. Pilate did that so that every one could see why Jesus was crucified. But, obviously, it did not help. The anti-semites were not interested in the real reason Jesus was crucified but in the slander that the Jews crucified Jesus.


    Matt 26...Finally two came forward 61 and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”
    62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.
    The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God:Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
    64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty Oneand coming on the clouds of heaven.”[e]
    65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?”
    “He is worthy of death,” they answered.
    67 Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him 68 and said, “Prophesy to us, Messiah. Who hit you?”


    BTW I do not believe the Jews are Christ killers.
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    Question. Are you seeing a lot of Jews in Israel becoming Christians?
    Unfortunately, not only in Israel but also abroad in the Diaspora; especially as "Jews-for-Jesus" and "Messianic Judaism." I have debated them on a personal basis and easily seen how poor in them is their knowledge of not only the Tanach but also the NT. My attention is immediately drawn to Hosea 4:6 "My People is perishing for lack of knowledge."

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    Unfortunately, not only in Israel but also abroad in the Diaspora
    Do you know that it is prophesied that would happen near the time of Jesus return??
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibolet View Post
    How about the Holy Spirit, is He the third?
    You, as most of Jews, do not understand Bible and the concept of Triunity.

    You should look it up, Three persons in one God.

    Not three Gods, not one person. But three persons in one God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    Matt 26...Finally two came forward 61 and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”
    62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.
    The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God:Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
    64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty Oneand coming on the clouds of heaven.”[e]
    65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?”
    “He is worthy of death,” they answered.
    67 Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him 68 and said, “Prophesy to us, Messiah. Who hit you?”

    BTW I do not believe the Jews are Christ killers.
    For two reasons, this text above never happened between Jesus and the Jewish authorities. The first is that there has never been
    a Jew who has expressed his knowledge of the Messiah as son of God. That's simply not Jewish. This is an evidence that there was no Court of the Sanhedrin to decided the case of Jesus. And the second reason is that the Sanhedrin would never behave as
    wild pack of animals in their voracious process to devour their catch. The bottom line is that the Hellenist who wrote that gospel was anxious to mess up with the Jewish order of applying justice. (Mat. 26:62-67)

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    You, as most of Jews, do not understand Bible and the concept of Triunity. You should look it up, Three persons in one God. Not three Gods, not one person. But three persons in one God.
    Trofimus, do you understand the concept of Logic? Hoping you do, my second question is, do you understand the concept of absolute Oneness? If you had read the thread as I expected you did, you could have paraphrased this post of yours above before you posted it. There is no three in one or one in three. One is one in absolute terms; no other way to express it

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