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sevenseas

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Grace777x70 said:
I liked what you said in brown above and it is so true. We are all at different places in our walk with the Lord.

What happens to some of us is that a teacher could believe something we were not taught in our church upbringing or that is not "traditional". What is "traditional" to some may not be to others.

So, if a teacher is saying something that they don't believe - then that teacher is a heretic. Sometimes people have been hurt by others that believe a certain teaching and thus malice and bitterness sets in against the teacher of that truth because of the bad behavior of others towards them.

Take "speaking in tongues" - there are Greek scholars who believe it is for today and others believe that it isn't for today. Both are Greek scholars so whether one is a Greek scholar in real life has no bearing on the revelation of the scriptures. Unfortunately some do try to "Lord it over other people's faith" by belittling them with their "superior knowledge".

There are those in the body of Chris that believe that those that speak in tongues are of the devil and of course they are "heretics". There are those that believe God wants His children well and will protect them - others don't believe in that - so of course those that do believe are "heretics" to those that don't. This can apply to any belief in Christ's work on the cross - including the forgiveness of sins.

Martin Luther was a heretic to the established church of his day when he said "The just shall live by faith". Their argument was for the last 1300 years we have believed in our way of believing - which was the catholic church's way at the time. Luther was going against 1300 years of traditional thoughts and beliefs and thus he was a heretic because what he said "conflicted" with their religious beliefs.

Personally I don't believe in everything any teacher says. I hope to repent and believe things differently then I do now in 2 years as I see more of the beauty and love and grace of our loving father towards us in Christ.
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my own journey has certainly been a personal one

it's fine to study greek etc, but even scripture states that the word kills, but the Spirit gives life

guess that one is up for interpretation too

I get the impression that if certain people do not jump up and down and yell heretic we are all going to hell

there are things I certainly disagree with...like that thread started by someone regarding the book/movie the shack.

that movie represents God as a woman and apparently, you are religious if you disagree

well I disagree because scripture is very firm in the way God is portrayed and it is not a woman
 
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sevenseas said:
well then, is the poster who said this lying?

it seems like an outrageous statement to me and I would not listen to someone who said what he seems to be saying about Joseph Prince

I have said before in this forum, because someone said that I was a Joseph Prince believer, but I do not listen to him so I don't know what he says

seems there may be unfounded accusations flying around and that is both troubling and tiresome
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Yes, and been going on by the same people for a few months now.

if you ask me, when you find someone who teaches the Bible and it really helps you, then you have found an oasis in this dry world
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Amen, I do not believe in word of faith, and would disagree that to know jesus means you will do miracles..but have yet to see he preaches a gospel other than the gospel of grace, if I ever see it, I will be against it.

We will not agree 100% with any pastor I have learned..if your looking for that, you may find one, by getting one who cares more about what you say then what God says.
 
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hey, newsflash, many of us know ( or care ) nothing about this guy or his teaching. and, the site has asked ALL of us to stop talking about him.
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Really? joaniemarie said that the owner of CC gave her permission to post these devotionals.

Anything allowed to be posted as a thread allows discussion on the topic.

I have the right to disagree.
 
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Stephen63 said:


From Destined to Reign:

“…some of the words which Jesus spoke in the four gospels…are part of the old covenant. They were spoken before the cross as He had not yet died. The new covenant only begins after the cross, when the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost.”
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Chapter 8, page 92
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So, joaniemarie, are you still gonna publish Prince now?
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ok I am confused.

What was said here is true, the new covenant begins AFTER THE CROSS..

However, this does not say that everything before the cross is null and void and meaningless..
 
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gb9 said:
hey, newsflash, many of us know ( or care ) nothing about this guy or his teaching. and, the site has asked ALL of us to stop talking about him.
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I think it is time to report him again, This is nonsense, This man has a vendetta against this one teacher, and everytime someone even mentions him, he goes on attack mode.

And once again, Everything he is showing is not doing a thing to make JP in error (the actual pic you quoted from him is from an opposition web page and does not even prove JP said what he said)
 
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Stephen63 said:

Really? joaniemarie said that the owner of CC gave her permission to post these devotionals.

Anything allowed to be posted as a thread allows discussion on the topic.

I have the right to disagree.
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You have the right to take what is posted and discuss it (the article),

You do not have the right to continue your war with JP as you have been doing, THE OPS FORBADE IT. What makes you think you are above other people?

If you see a point you disagree with, argue the point..NOT THE MAN..
 
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PeterJens said:
“Not everything that Jesus said was spoken to the church. Paul’s letters were written to the church and are thus for our benefit today. God raised him up to write the words of the ascended Jesus…That is why, when it comes to reading the Bible, I always encourage new believers in our church to begin with the letters of Paul. (Many new believers like to start with the book of Revelation or Genesis, without first getting a foundation in the gospel of grace through reading the letters of Paul.)”
Quotes from “Destined to Reign” Chapter 8, page 94

The principle is what Jesus taught was to show how far short people fall from
the mark God expects of His people, so are dependent only on Christs imputed
righteousness.

Innate within this belief is a total inability to walk righteously and scripture
promises and the apostles succeeded in doing.

So though the morality Christ shared is still the standard, this group believes no
one will ever meet it, it is too high.
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what group?

I like to start off new believers with the book of John

Innate within this belief is a total inability to walk righteously and scripture
promises and the apostles succeeded in doing.

So though the morality Christ shared is still the standard, this group believes no
one will ever meet it, it is too high.
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I've been reading around and I do not get the impression that someone here, in this thread or from what I have read in other threads, thinks unrighteousness is what Christianity is about

it seems more like people talking past each other and pointing fingers at each other

maybe people read into things according to what they believe or preconceived ideas

in that other thread I mentionned regarding the 'the shack', I asked why people who disagreed with the book were being called religious and even being referred to as having a demonic attitude towards it

I did not EVER get an answer to my actual questions, but was given the run around and the op basically denied what he wrote and I find that impossible so I quit the thread

I don't have time for that kind of thing. for one thing, it's not honest
 
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eternally-gratefull said:


Yes, and been going on by the same people for a few months now.



Amen, I do not believe in word of faith, and would disagree that to know jesus means you will do miracles..but have yet to see he preaches a gospel other than the gospel of grace, if I ever see it, I will be against it.

We will not agree 100% with any pastor I have learned..if your looking for that, you may find one, by getting one who cares more about what you say then what God says.
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well, the grace of God is only worth something to us if we PASS IT ON

there seems to be an awful lot of grace missing in some of these posts

it's like trying to pet an angry porcupine or an upset skunk LOL!

ps: I am not an advocate of word of faith either, but that does not mean I have all my ducks lined up right either

I won't be yelled at or controlled by others. I found too many are way off base who do that sort of thing.

I have a mind and I prefer to use it and not have someone else try to insert their own God 2.0 into it
 
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sevenseas said:
well, the grace of God is only worth something to us if we PASS IT ON

there seems to be an awful lot of grace missing in some of these posts

it's like trying to pet an angry porcupine or an upset skunk LOL!
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hmm, The saying that Satan comes as disguised an angel of light comes to mind. lo.. Not saying that some people are satan, but just appears he is active..
 
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May I point out that God's grace is available to all, but like anything else, people see that different ways

God's grace does not stop sin; God's grace as we see in His only begotten Son, has made a way for us to have our sins forgiven

something the 10 commandments never did

so while I may not think this is 100% spot on, I also do not see a reason to call Joseph Prince or someone else here a heretic

if he is saying the grace of God stops sin, that would make me think that we need to stop sinning?

yes? no?

I'm really not sure what the ruckus is about
 
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sevenseas

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I think you are on a soapbox of some kind stephen

be careful, cause soap makes things slippery

all this posting you are doing, one photo after another, seems personal and not objective
 
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sevenseas

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eternally-gratefull said:
hmm, The saying that Satan comes as disguised an angel of light comes to mind. lo.. Not saying that some people are satan, but just appears he is active..
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that's what people forget

satan is the accuser, which is why we should not walk around accusing
 
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sevenseas said:
what group?

I like to start off new believers with the book of John



I've been reading around and I do not get the impression that someone here, in this thread or from what I have read in other threads, thinks unrighteousness is what Christianity is about

it seems more like people talking past each other and pointing fingers at each other

maybe people read into things according to what they believe or preconceived ideas

in that other thread I mentionned regarding the 'the shack', I asked why people who disagreed with the book were being called religious and even being referred to as having a demonic attitude towards it

I did not EVER get an answer to my actual questions, but was given the run around and the op basically denied what he wrote and I find that impossible so I quit the thread

I don't have time for that kind of thing. for one thing, it's not honest
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So you bash that OP in this thread that must have really got under your skin, here's a thought just walk away and don't pound on someone in another thread. This bashing stuff is pathetic,,, believer.
 
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BeyondET said:
So you bash that OP in this thread that must have really got under your skin, here's a thought just walk away and don't pound on someone in another thread. This bashing stuff is pathetic,,, believer.
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I have bashed someone?

honestly, some of you people here need a refresher in the love of Christ

you don't know how to pass it on

I have only asked questions and got various answers. I cannot tell you how little time I have for someone who does what you just did.

I don't understand why stephen is doing what he is doing, but I consider your ambush even worse

yeah. for real

kindly just go post to someone else because I don't think you have anything to say I want to hear
 
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sevenseas said:
what group?
I like to start off new believers with the book of John
I've been reading around and I do not get the impression that someone here, in this thread or from what I have read in other threads, thinks unrighteousness is what Christianity is about
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Ok. Let me ask a different question. Is Christianity about righteousness and walking in it?

If faith is about this then amen, but if it is not, it is about walking unrighteously and
reconciling this with a Holy God.

Now you could say God is not Holy and does not need reconciliation, but then God would
not be the unchanging Holy God of scripture.

And walking righteously is walking in the love of God, love of your neighbour and your enemy.
And yes, let us all join together to walk in fellowship as the people of Kingdom to fulfill
this, through the cross and resurrection to new life with the baptism of the Holy Spirit Amen

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14

Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
 
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The following are gleanings taken from his book – Destined to Reign. This list is the crux of Prince’s
teachings.
Nothing but blessings for the believer (p.53)
No longer a need to be concerned about God’s Judgment
Repentance and confession of sin is never necessary
Wealth is for all Christians
 
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sevenseas said:
I have bashed someone?

honestly, some of you people here need a refresher in the love of Christ

you don't know how to pass it on

I have only asked questions and got various answers. I cannot tell you how little time I have for someone who does what you just did.

I don't understand why stephen is doing what he is doing, but I consider your ambush even worse

yeah. for real

kindly just go post to someone else because I don't think you have anything to say I want to hear
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But you have plenty of time to call out Willie T. that thread once you mentioned what post it was the cat is out of the bag of your thoughts. Please don't preach on the love of Christ if you can not retrain your own self, yea your full of love aren't you. And is fine by me if you don't want to hear anything I say no sweat off my back
 
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