Should it be once saved always saved or should it be once saved and once saved again.

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Should it be once saved always saved or should it be once saved and once saved again.

  • it should be once saved always saved

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  • it should be once saved and once saved again

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#81
Now who are the other Gods ?...................

I tell You those other Gods are those whom you follow who declare they can recieve salvation befor God has dished it out.
 
Dec 12, 2013
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#83
The word Context satifies your self rightousness almost every post you make..
Get mad if you want....context cannot be ignored because it determines the application of the verses given....here is a prime example of how we can make the bible say anything if context is chunked out the window in favor of just shot gunning scriptures to prove a point....

1st Timothy 2:15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing...........

Define this without context.........and take the rebuke and apply it my British friend!
 
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Hi all im sure theres many scriptures with a little bit of imagination we can prove that people have been saved more than once.

For instance Jesus rid a guy of 2000 demons and warned the guy beware for they can come back,, meaning Jesus was prepared to save him again.

Now for the Good part please post your scriptures of chidren of God in the Bible being saved again :)
We cannot be saved again since He will never leave us.

Ephesians 4:[SUP]30 [/SUP]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The Holy Spirit is not going anywhere otherwise, we would not be able to grieve Him.

In fact, when one defiles the temple of God, the physical body is destroyed but unrepentant saints still have His seal on their souls even if they did die when left behind at the pre trib rapture event.

So to believe that you can be saved again is to deny Him of His promise to us that He is with us always .....

Matthew 28:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

And to preach that you can be saved again is to preach contrary to the warning given about preaching another Jesus or another spirit to receive and thus another gospel which is not of Him.

2 Corinthians 11:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If one goes around saying they can be saved again, then by the verse above, they are reprobates, unless they repent and stop saying that, but rather say that they are saved, when they are running that race by faith in Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd to help them lay aside every weight & sin to be received by Him as vessels unto honor in His House at the pre trib rapture event... the high prize of our calling in Christ Jesus.

Remember this will of the Father for Jesus to do which you can never be saved again, les you deny Him that way.

John 6:
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

So how can any one become unsaved that they need to be saved again? It runs against His words & thus a lie.

 

NayborBear

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Hi all im sure theres many scriptures with a little bit of imagination we can prove that people have been saved more than once.

For instance Jesus rid a guy of 2000 demons and warned the guy beware for they can come back,, meaning Jesus was prepared to save him again.



Now for the Good part please post your scriptures of chidren of God in the Bible being saved again :)

It is not being saved again, although, a believer may feel that way! It is finding the Temple Stones that Jesus said would be "not 1 stone on top of another". And then, erecting this inner Temple, "not made with hands"! The trickier part comes, when you start "binding these stones" together with mortar!....But being saved again?....NAH!
 
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Get mad if you want....context cannot be ignored because it determines the application of the verses given....here is a prime example of how we can make the bible say anything if context is chunked out the window in favor of just shot gunning scriptures to prove a point....

1st Timothy 2:15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing...........

Define this without context.........and take the rebuke and apply it my British friend!
Im not getting mad bro why would i your a brother to me a soldier of war.. a little badly indoctrinated but nothing that cant be hurdled :)
 
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1st Timothy 2:15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing...........women will be saved and so will the child




if the mother keeps the faith,,,,,,,,,,i dont know why you left this verse out ?


15Women, however, will be savedthroughchildbearing,ifthey continueinfaith,love,andholiness,withself-control.

I suppose Your God like attitude has an an answer for this truth too....(
dont twist the context to suit you

Ya...we leave that to you to do. Likewise we let you take a snapshot of scripture and then build a religious dogma out of it. Lol
 
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It is not being saved again, although, a believer may feel that way! It is finding the Temple Stones that Jesus said would be "not 1 stone on top of another". And then, erecting this inner Temple, "not made with hands"! The trickier part comes, when you start "binding these stones" together with mortar!....But being saved again?....NAH!
Mate from where im standing the only stones that matter are the ones that Jesus didnt cast..........................................................
 
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We cannot be saved again since He will never leave us.
you can leave him tho......

Ephesians 4:[SUP]30 [/SUP]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
its your faith that is sealed not your salvation.



The Holy Spirit is not going anywhere otherwise, we would not be able to grieve Him.
You can grieve the holy spirit everytime you fall away..
27Then Jesus said to them, You will all fall away, for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’ 28But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”…

Do you see we can all fall away (yes no )..


In fact, when one defiles the temple of God, the physical body is destroyed.
Your Body is a temple for your spirit. enough said.............................................................
 
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Please note John the baptist says he will baptise you ready for the new kingdom... he doesnt say i will baptise into the new kingdom.......[video=youtube;yONEuw_2J3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yONEuw_2J3c[/video]
 
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If you get borde with vid then 2mins 45 is the best.............:)
 
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#93
1st Timothy 2:15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing...........women will be saved and so will the child




if the mother keeps the faith,,,,,,,,,,i dont know why you left this verse out ?


15Women, however, will be saved through child bearing,if they continue in faith,love,and holiness,with self-control.

I suppose Your God like attitude has an an answer for this truth too....(
dont twist the context to suit you
The point was...scripture posted without context and off the hip leads to an erroneous interpretation......
 

TurtleLife

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You are evidently speaking of salvation here in the context of “once saved always saved” or alternatively, “saved again”. I find no language in the Bible related to a second or continuing salvation. The burden is on those making that supposition to provide biblical references.
To say that salvation is not static but that it is dynamic is to misuse the term salvation as understood in Christian Orthodox theology. Salvation is a specific forgiveness by Jesus Christ of our sins by his grace through faith and our acceptance of that by belief through faith.
A few references for “once saved always saved” are the following:
1. KJV-(Mark 16:16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
2. KJV-(Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
3. KJV-(Act 15:11) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. [Once a person believes in Christ for forgiveness, he/she is saved]
4. KJV- (1Co 1:18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. [There is a definite point where a person is saved: when they belief, in faith, that Christ is their personal savior and in repentance turned toward him as Lord of their life.]

There are many other references; these are just from a NT word search for “saved”.
In grammar, one must pay attention to what tense a word is; present, past, future.

Secondly, what you are really speaking of is the process of Sanctification which is a specific Bible doctrine. Might I encourage you to research that doctrine and the related scriptures and see if what you hold to be a dynamic salvation is not actually the sanctification process that continues until our death. It is through sanctification that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit work in our lives on a continual day-to-day basis. These are the doctrines that pertain to saved [past tense] Christians. You’ll find these studies very worthwhile.


“Can't. I don't believe in "once saved". Such a concept would negate any further need of the Savior. And there will never be a moment when I do not need my Savior to be doing what He does...saving me.”

You quoted the following verse in your symbol. Notice that in both translations, and others, the past tense is used since Paul is writing to the Ephesian Christians – they were already saved. Salvation, as widely preached and taught, and in the common language of Christians, means a specific point in their lives [hopefully our lives] when they accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives. If it was meant to be an ongoing experience, this verse might read “are being saved” [future progressive tense]. See my comments above on sanctification. The entire New Testament, including the last chapters of the gospel of John and the epistles of Paul, are entirely about how God works in the Christian life after salvation.
KJV-(Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
RV-(Eph 2:8) for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


JIMBO43 wrote:


Rather than using our imagination, let us turn to God’s word for interpretations of what is written therein. God, Jesus Christ the Word, is well able to explain and defend what he has given to us to understand. From the imaginations of men and women, great heresies have been concocted.

Looking at the Markan account beginning in Mark 5:5, the demonically possessed says man makes his appearance (the corollary account is in Matthew 8).

(Mar 5:5) And always, night and day, in the tombs and in the mountains, he was crying out, and cutting himself with stones.
(Mar 5:6) And when he saw Jesus from afar, he [the demon] ran and worshipped him; (James 2:19 …the devils also believe and tremble.”)

There is much more that could be explained about the following verses but let’s jump to verse 15 after Jesus cast the Legion of demons out of the man.

(Mar 5:15) And they [those of the city and the country, v. 14] come to Jesus, and behold him that was possessed with devils sitting, clothed and in his right mind, even him that had the legion: and they were afraid. (Mar 5:16) And they that saw it declared unto them how it befell him that was possessed with devils, and concerning the swine. (Mar 5:17) And they began to beseech him to depart from their borders. [The populace of the region and their lack of repentance even in view of a miracle suggest why Jesus destroyed a herd of pigs, a significant amount of wealth in an agricultural society, many commentaries cover this, let’s advance to the point of this thread]. (Mar 5:18) And as he [Jesus] was entering into the boat, he that had been possessed with devils besought him that he might be with him. (Mar 5:19) And he suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go to thy house unto thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and how he had mercy on thee. (Mar 5:20) And he went his way, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.

There are absolutely no words related to salvation in this account [or in the parallel Matthew 8 account]. The text does say that Jesus had mercy on the man by exorcizing many demons. The text does not say that if the demons returned, Jesus can “save” him again. Jesus might save him in the sense of protecting him from future but not in terms of the Christian doctrine of salvation. We might talk of “saving” a man from drowning but that is hardly Christian salvation. Jesus sent the man into the midst of the country, the Decapolis, and instructed him to “…tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee”, which is exactly what the mentally healthy man did. There is no language about the man returning “…to be saved again.”

(1Cor 15:1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (1Cor 15:2) By which also ye are saved, [not “are being saved”-present progressive tense] if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. (1Cor 15:3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (1Cor 15:4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

From these concise verses we are given the biblical elements of a valid salvation:

  1. we are saved by the gospel,
  2. we believe the gospel (the good news),
  3. we believe that Christ died for our sins (his crucifixion),
  4. we believe that he was buried,
  5. we believe that he rose again (his resurrection),
  6. and that his resurrection was on the third day.

The essential elements are that we believe in the gospel which states that Christ died for our sins and that by his resurrection he has saved us for all time from our sin.
There is no room in the gospel message for a “second salvation.”
 
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You are evidently speaking of salvation here in the context of “once saved always saved.
No im not im speaking of being saved and then recieving salvation at the day of redemption... which is a big difference between being saved and recieving salvation befor the day of redemption...
 
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  1. we are saved by the gospel
  2. we believe the gospel (the good news),...
  3. we believe that Christ died for our sins (his crucifixion),
  4. we believe that he was buried,
  5. we believe that he rose again (his resurrection),
  6. and that his resurrection was on the third day.

The essential elements are that we believe in the gospel which states that Christ died for our sins and that by his resurrection he has saved us for all time from our sin.
There is no room in the gospel message for a “second salvation.”
1 The Gospel saves people yes but the Gospel doesnt give salvation Only Jesus does on the day of redemption...

2 Believeing is good and it will save you But belief will not Give you salvation.. Only Jesus will on the day of redemption...

3 4 5 6 anyone can believe all this just like i could believe it which will save me,,, but once again my belief will not give me the right to declare my own salvation.. if i declare my own salvation befor the day of redemption i may as well put a sign on my head sayin i am God.

1 I may as well be a sinless perfectionist..

2 I may as well not Hope anymore and go against which is a clear instruction in the bible to put my helmet of hope for salvation on.

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3 I may as well declare right now that it is my faith has given me salvation even tho i havent finished running the race..

4 I may as welll declare that the enemy will never come like a thief in the night..

5 I may as well declare That i dont need to pray and hope to our saviour..

6 I may as well declare that i can never fall away and i will never become lost or i will never rebell or i will never give in to temptation...I may as well declare im God and i can give my self salvation...

You are to hope for salvation. :)
 
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biwicks

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We were all saved from the gross when jesus died and that is why we talk of grace which we did deserve. Jesus died instead of you and me .what he was doing is that he was just fulfilling the law God had given to both Adam and eve...Gen 2:17 "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."....all we are doing is just accepting him and repenting
 
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Matthew 6:9–13 (ESV) "Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'



Ok so sincere question does asking for your daily bread mean once saved and once saved again,,

I know some will say no its your duty to ask for this.. But what way do you ask ? and what do you mean when you ask it ?
 

mailmandan

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Salvation is not the same as being saved,, Salvation = eternal life with Gods family. Saved = the start of your walk.
There are three tenses to salvation which often get mixed up. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification - Romans 5:1); we are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification - 1 Corinthians 1:18); we will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification - Romans 8:30).

What would be the point of putting on your helmet of hope for salvation? if saved and salvation was the same?.
Plus the fact where is the hope for a saviour if your salvation is already declared.?
In the first place, this "hope" is not some wishy washy, cross your fingers kind of hope that is uncertain. Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things hoped for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life (Titus 3:7).

So confusing the three tenses of salvation and understanding Biblical hope as uncertain hope leads to confusion when interpreting Scripture.
 

mailmandan

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scriptures of the saved being lost
Galatians 5:4 “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
The present tense of the word "justified" implies that the Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. But had they fully come to that place yet? They were obviously getting side tracked by legalistic teachers, but I don't see the words "lost salvation" there.

If they lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then why did Paul say in verse 10 - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is? In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The word "perfect" does not mean sinless, but complete, spiritual maturity. The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.