Should it be once saved always saved or should it be once saved and once saved again.

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Should it be once saved always saved or should it be once saved and once saved again.

  • it should be once saved always saved

    Votes: 8 72.7%
  • it should be once saved and once saved again

    Votes: 3 27.3%

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Hi all im sure theres many scriptures with a little bit of imagination we can prove that people have been saved more than once.

For instance Jesus rid a guy of 2000 demons and warned the guy beware for they can come back,, meaning Jesus was prepared to save him again.

Now for the Good part please post your scriptures of chidren of God in the Bible being saved again :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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Salvation is anything but static. It is dynamic. I am always being saved by my Savior, not because of myself, in spite of myself. A Savior who has promised to finish what He started...guaranteed. My salvation is eternally secure because it is not dependent upon myself and what I may or may not do, but, upon Christ and what He has done and continues to do. He is my assurance.
 
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Salvation is anything but static. It is dynamic. I am always being saved by my Savior, not because of myself, in spite of myself. A Savior who has promised to finish what He started...guaranteed. My salvation is eternally secure because it is not dependent upon myself and what I may or may not do, but, upon Christ and what He has done and continues to do. He is my assurance.
very good now lets see how bold you are pls be the first to vote:)
 
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come on you can do it,, i know you can do it lol..:D
 
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FreeNChrist

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very good now lets see how bold you are pls be the first to vote:)
Can't. I don't believe in "once saved". Such a concept would negate any further need of the Savior. And there will never be a moment when I do not need my Savior to be doing what He does...saving me.
 
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Just had a positive brain wave lol.... Jesus saved doubting thomas again. by apearing to him he was saving him from unbelief. :).
 
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It "should be" what God says it is. (This sounds like we're setting up a committee to tell God how to do his thing. ;))
 

mailmandan

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Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
 
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Salvation is anything but static. It is dynamic. I am always being saved by my Savior, not because of myself, in spite of myself. A Savior who has promised to finish what He started...guaranteed. My salvation is eternally secure because it is not dependent upon myself and what I may or may not do, but, upon Christ and what He has done and continues to do. He is my assurance.
I read this verse today...and it contains such weight to Christ finishing the WORK....WE enter into HIS rest and HE completes the work.....the day of Christ is the resurrection/change A.K.A. Rapture so called....WHEN one exercises faith he is BORN of INCORRUPTABLE SEED......THE ENSUING BIRTH OF THE SPIRIT IS BEYOND THE ABILITY TO BE CORRUPTED, IT IS ETERNALLY BIRTHED, SAVED, SEALED, JUSTIFIED AND SANCTIFIED IN CHRIST POSITIONALLY.....Jesus himself began that good work and he will BRING IT TO FRUITION on the great day..teh day of the resurrection/change (DAY OF CHRIST)

SALVATION is ETERNAL.....

New American Standard Bible
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

King James Bible
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 
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Hi all im sure theres many scriptures with a little bit of imagination we can prove that people have been saved more than once.

For instance Jesus rid a guy of 2000 demons and warned the guy beware for they can come back,, meaning Jesus was prepared to save him again.

Now for the Good part please post your scriptures of chidren of God in the Bible being saved again :)
Not sure you can put religion in a bottle.
 

Locutus

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[FONT=&quot]I once was saved and then was lost
Then once was saved again...[/FONT]
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I will not debate OSAS,whether for it or against it,but only point out these scriptures and say there is some explaining to be had.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

It appears as if God does not want anybody to be lost,but wants all people to be saved,so how did God choose who will be saved,and not saved,in the beginning.

We have a choice because God's kingdom is true love,not robotic love.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

It appears as if God does the calling,and choosing,on earth,not in the beginning.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

People that think they cannot fall get relaxed in their lifestyle,for the flesh will take advantage of that.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The Lamb was not slain from the foundation of the world,but 4000 years later.

Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation.

The prophets blood was not shed from the foundation of the world,but were future events.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

All the works were finished before the foundation of the world,although they were future events.

How can these things be.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Oh,now I get it,God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future,it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

It appears that God does not choose who will be saved,and not saved,in the beginning,but it is a plan of God in the beginning to give salvation in the future,so it is the same as if the saints have salvation in the beginning,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although it did not happen until 4000 years later,and God is not willing that any perish,but all come to repentance,and wants all people to be saved and come to the truth,and the Spirit and bride say,Come,and whosoever will can have that salvation,and Jesus lights every person born in to this world,so everybody has the chance to see the light of Jesus and be saved,also testifies that God did not choose who will be saved,and not saved.

1.God wants all people to be saved,He said so Himself.No lie.

2.God's kingdom is based on true love,not robotic love,and if God chooses who will be saved,without them making a decision,then His kingdom would be robotic love.

3.All have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is none that does good,no not one,and God is no respecter of persons,and what makes you to differ from another person,and if you offend in the least of the law,you offend all,so all people are in the same boat,so why would God choose who will be saved,and not saved,for what is it based on,for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Add this to the mixture,and you have a lethal combination that cannot be overlooked without serious consideration.

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I don't know,man,with all that information it is hard to side with OSAS,unless someone can convince me otherwise,but I don't know,man.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hi all I'm sure there's many scriptures with a little bit of imagination we can prove that people have been saved more than once.

For instance Jesus rid a guy of 2000 demons and warned the guy beware for they can come back,, meaning Jesus was prepared to save him again.

Now for the Good part please post your scriptures of chidren of God in the Bible being saved again :)
It is once saved, always saved, if you continue in faith.

"Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.

"For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. "

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

So, according to the scripture above, what happens if a branch/believer does not bear fruit? Is he OSAS or will that person be thrown into the fire? What about the following:

"My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins"

In scripture above, it refers to them as "brothers and sisters." According to the scripture, if they wander away (go back into the sinful nature) they are accumulating sin and are on their way to death.

Therefore, salvation is maintained through God's unmerited favor (grace) through our faith. Just to drive the point home, here is another example from scripture:

"But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In the scripture above, he is referred to as a servant. And because his master (Jesus) is a long time in coming, that servant falls back into the sinful nature, eating and drinking with drunkards (partying), etc. When the Lord returns and finds him living that life style, he will assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be a weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Does that sound like once saved always saved?

Our part is faith, which will produce fruit. If we turn from our faith while in that state, we are accumulating a multitude of sins and are on our way to death. As long as we remain in faith, then we are saved.

Paul speaking to the church in Corinth regarding those who live according to the sinful nature:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. "


We are not saved more than once, but are continuing with our original salvation if we continue in faith. If we wander away from the truth and return, we come back under the original plan of salvation.
 
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iamsoandso

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It is once saved, always saved, if you continue in faith.

"Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.

"For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. "

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

So, according to the scripture above, what happens if a branch/believer does not bear fruit? Is he OSAS or will that person be thrown into the fire? What about the following:

"My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins"

In scripture above, it refers to them as "brothers and sisters." According to the scripture, if they wander away (go back into the sinful nature) they are accumulating sin and are on their way to death.

Therefore, salvation is maintained through God's unmerited favor (grace) through our faith. Just to drive the point home, here is another example from scripture:

"But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In the scripture above, he is referred to as a servant. And because his master (Jesus) is a long time in coming, that servant falls back into the sinful nature, eating and drinking with drunkards (partying), etc. When the Lord returns and finds him living that life style, he will assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be a weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Does that sound like once saved always saved?

Our part is faith, which will produce fruit. If we turn from our faith while in that state, we are accumulating a multitude of sins and are on our way to death. As long as we remain in faith, then we are saved.

Paul speaking to the church in Corinth regarding those who live according to the sinful nature:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. "


We are not saved more than once, but are continuing with our original salvation if we continue in faith. If we wander away from the truth and return, we come back under the original plan of salvation.
Then there is no preference in being gathered in among those of the first resurrection,or those raptured, of the dead verses those who are raptured second,if we all come back into the original plan,one is in the midst of one work verses the other according to this understanding.
 

iamsoandso

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So lets draw the thin red line lets humour the possibility of one being placed in one group or the other. Ok,there's group one and they are raptured beforehand because of something they did And then there’s group two and for some unseen reason they remain after the first and in the midst they become somehow the saved group who all come back to the original plan of salvation(sic?) ,well but anyhow they not being any part of the first group remain to do the work we cant figure out who is the greater?
 

Dan58

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Once saved always saved, unless you turn your back on God. Your 'always saved' as long as you remain true to your Savior. Have a change of heart, deny him, defy him, or rebel against him, and your just as lost as you were the day before you found him. Paul said; "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith" (2 Timothy 4:7). OSAS omits the necessity of fighting the fight, finishing the course, or keeping the faith. Jesus warned believers not to be mislead or deceived (Matthew 24:4), which implies that we can in fact, fall away. So until a person draws their last breath, the verdict is not certain, because we are all capable of believing lies and accepting falsehoods ; "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4) or "And the serpent said, Go ahead and indulge, ye shall not surely die, osas!". We are all vulnerable because we can all be influenced, and that makes us accessible to the adversary.
 
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iamsoandso

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And at the same time there is Paul,on the road to Damascus,in complete denial of the lord,with a letter in his hand claiming the right to arrest those who confess Christ. a man who is in full denial of the Lords blood,denying the cross of his salvation. Who is not repenting of his sins,not repenting of the things he is doing. Who is denying the Spirit of his salvation,who is in the full work of taking apart the very Christ who is his saviour,,,and he is saved by the same grace on the road to Damascus.
 

Ahwatukee

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Then there is no preference in being gathered in among those of the first resurrection,or those raptured, of the dead verses those who are raptured second,if we all come back into the original plan,one is in the midst of one work verses the other according to this understanding.
The above makes no sense. I don't even know what you are attempting to say.

It's quite simple. If a one remains in faith, then the promises of forgiveness and eternal life are valid. If one does not remain in faith, then they have wandered away from the truth. One is not saved regardless of what one does! If one goes back to living according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, then they will have died in there sins.

Did you bother reading any of the scriptures that I provided? They're self explanatory. If a believer doesn't remain in Christ, then that person cannot bear fruit. If they continue to not remain in Christ, then in that state that cannot bear fruit and that because they are living according to the sinful nature. So, when the Lord comes to gather his church, those people who have not remained in him will not be gathered. Just read the scriptures that I provided. they're self explanatory.