Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer

[truthhurts]

one is lost, Separated from God because of his or her sin, Dead because of sin and being in adam

One is found, Saved by God inspite of his or her sin, and Alive because of Christ.

Stop gravitating back to salvation....is there a difference between a sinner separated from God because of sin and dead in their sin and a saint that is found saved by God in spite of the sin and now alive in Christ....

This is not about works based self righteousness to maintain or obtain salvation or about sinless perfection, which are both false teachings....it is fundamental to the Gospel of reconciliation.

 

[truthhurts]

Yes. One is a sinner, the other is a saint.

How does the Bible define as a sinner and saint who sins?

I do not believe in sinless perfection at all, nor personal works to obtain and maintain my salvation or righteousness...nor do I believe I am currently a sinner saved by grace....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Stop gravitating back to salvation....is there a difference between a sinner separated from God because of sin and dead in their sin and a saint that is found saved by God in spite of the sin and now alive in Christ....

This is not about works based self righteousness to maintain or obtain salvation or about sinless perfection, which are both false teachings....it is fundamental to the Gospel of reconciliation.

Stop trying to attack me, i just told you there was a difference, and you attacked me by telling me what I already told you. that there was a difference. (it is quite obvious you did not read a word I said.. )

Take your blinders off dude, You so out to prove me wrong,, your making yourself look bad.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How does the Bible define as a sinner and saint who sins?

I do not believe in sinless perfection at all, nor personal works to obtain and maintain my salvation or righteousness...nor do I believe I am currently a sinner saved by grace....

One is lost. One is found

One is dead, one is alive

One is born again, One still needs born again.

1 is judged, 1 is redeemed

1 is unrighteous, 1 is justified.

1 is headed to hell. 1 already has in inheritance in heaven.

1 needs saved, 1 has been saved..

1 has no faith (it is dead) one has saving faith.

I could go on and on..

 

[limey410]

One is lost. One is found

One is dead, one is alive

One is born again, One still needs born again.

1 is judged, 1 is redeemed

1 is unrighteous, 1 is justified.

1 is headed to hell. 1 already has in inheritance in heaven.

1 needs saved, 1 has been saved..

1 has no faith (it is dead) one has saving faith.

I could go on and on..

I wonder if he realizes that the truth actually doesn't hurt?. That is actually sets us free.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wonder if he realizes that the truth actually doesn't hurt?. That is actually sets us free.

I do not know.. Curious to find out..


it only sets us free if we have faith that what God said is true is true..

if we lack faith, we are still bound..

 

[FreeNChrist]

How does the Bible define as a sinner and saint who sins?

I do not believe in sinless perfection at all, nor personal works to obtain and maintain my salvation or righteousness...nor do I believe I am currently a sinner saved by grace....

A sinner is in Adam. A saint is in Christ

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A sinner is in Adam. A saint is in Christ

I do not think one can get any clearer.. Amen..

 

[truthhurts]

A sinner is in Adam. A saint is in Christ

So why do you still call your self adam?

 

[truthhurts]

One is lost. One is found

One is dead, one is alive

One is born again, One still needs born again.

1 is judged, 1 is redeemed

1 is unrighteous, 1 is justified.

1 is headed to hell. 1 already has in inheritance in heaven.

1 needs saved, 1 has been saved..

1 has no faith (it is dead) one has saving faith.

I could go on and on..

Then by your very own definition of being a sinner saved by grace you are till dead in your sin and waiting to be reconciled....

 

[FreeNChrist]

So why do you still call your self adam?

.....I don't.

 

[truthhurts]

I wonder if he realizes that the truth actually doesn't hurt?. That is actually sets us free.

check out the other post I gave EG, the truth hurt him and he got offended, said I was playing games and attacked him with semantics....the Truth of the Gospel is a stumbling block and foolishness to some...


When we claim we are still sinners after what Jesus died and gave us....the truth has not set us free....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So why do you still call your self adam?

I mean really??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

.....I don't.

I am begining to think some people just like to one up everyone,,

 

[truthhurts]

.....I don't.

sure you did...you claim you are still as sinner saved by grace...stating you are a sinner says to the world that I am still in need of a savior....and need to be reconciled back to God....that is denying Jesus and his work on your behalf....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

check out the other post I gave EG, the truth hurt him and he got offended, said I was playing games and attacked him with semantics....the Truth of the Gospel is a stumbling block and foolishness to some...


When we claim we are still sinners after what Jesus died and gave us....the truth has not set us free....

see,, He can;t let it go.. He has to one up everyone, and if people get sick of his nonsense, He has to attack them, and continue,, even to the point of saying he hurt e.

Whatever, some people live in fantasy land..


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there, he has joined his buddy peter where he belongs..

 

[FreeNChrist]

sure you did...you claim you are still as sinner saved by grace...stating you are a sinner says to the world that I am still in need of a savior....and need to be reconciled back to God....that is denying Jesus and his work on your behalf....

I've never claimed to be a sinner saved by grace. So........

 

[mailmandan]

the Truth of the Gospel is a stumbling block and foolishness to some...

When we claim we are still sinners after what Jesus died and gave us....the truth has not set us free....

The Gospel is the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed, a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation or live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time or else! The Gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe (trust) in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

 

[truthhurts]

I am begining to think some people just like to one up everyone,,

Of course you do, because you refuse to accept the truth and stand up and be counted to become what Christ Jesus, bled, died and rose again for you to be....

Growing up spiritually offends people, because the devil continues to tell them...they are still a sinner.....I seem to recall you got in a fit of anger when someone told you on another thread that Jesus must also be Lord of your life....you said it was impossible for that to ever happen...Yet the word says men can only call Jesus Lord by the power of the Holy Spirit....

People that you view are one uping you have found the true rest in Jesus and understand that they are who he says they are...and they have found their true position in him....spiritually mature folks are always attacked by those that do not know hot to or refuse to grow up spiritually....

 

[truthhurts]

The Gospel is the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed, a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation or live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time or else! The Gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe (trust) in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

Where have I espoused good works or rituals...not anywhere...check my posts, see if I have ever said any of those things or that I believe in sinless perfection....I have said quite clearly that no works make you righteous or to obtain or maintain your personal salvation....nor have I stated I am sinless....all I have said is what the Bible says...I am justified and made righteous through Jesus Christ and because of that position, I am no longer a sinner saved by grace...I am a son, and if a son a joint heir now...not later....you all bang this gong, because you refuse to see the absolute simplicity in what I am saying...

The Gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe (trust) in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

Totally agree, so does this make me a sinner or a saint!?!? and if I agree with what you stated and still call myself a sinner, what does it mean? It means I have only mental assent and I still deny that the Gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe (trust) in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation.