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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    I am am not sure what your point is here.

    What makes you think that those who are in the OSAS camp don't need to repent of sins as described in scripture?
    I would ask what you think repentance is?

    Sorry but the term "You Guys' is not an endearing term or one that is conducive to opening up a meaningful conversation.
    Bordering on lying? One is either lying or not. There is no in between.
    AMEN to that....I have never said or implied that ONE must not confess or repent and it is obvious he did not read the words (FOR THE MOST PART) <--does not mean ALL.....and his 1st post was nothing more that a mouthy strike against me and this thread! A blind man can see it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Yes I agree. As we walk with God then the fruit of the Holy Spirit should increase and our propensity to sin.
    Even if we are stuck in something that is very hard to break we should be hating it and asking God for help and not embracing an attitude of "Oh well that's just me, God understands and I'm forgiven" and just carry on.
    Sorry just clarify "As we walk with God then the fruit of the Holy Spirit should increase and our propensity to sin decrease"

    missed decrease of the end.
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    Ask Dcon that question..........for the first year and a half I was here I argued with him about this idea of OSAS and Grace, Grace, nothing but Grace.........and posted many of the same Scriptures he posted in the OP, as well as many, many others, and he and his guys rejected all of them believing that once a person was saved any sins committed after salvation were already forgiven, and they did not need to repent and ask forgiveness. So ask him.

    I know what repentance is.......it is merely turning away from sin and back to God, it is NOT asking forgiveness for the sin one committed and had to repent of.

    You guys is nothing more than a statement.............don't like that one, then I'll use you OSAS'ers

    As for bordering on lying.............did you not read the OP? If so, then PLEASE ASK D that question. Here, let me refresh your memory........

    FROM OP:

    For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!

    Now, let me see you ask D that question



    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    I am am not sure what your point is here.

    What makes you think that those who are in the OSAS camp don't need to repent of sins as described in scripture?
    I would ask what you think repentance is?

    Sorry but the term "You Guys' is not an endearing term or one that is conducive to opening up a meaningful conversation.
    Bordering on lying? One is either lying or not. There is no in between.
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Luke 5:32
    I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    1 John 1:8

    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    Isaiah 40:8
    The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

    Psalm 119:105
    Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.

    Romans 1:16
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.




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    No, that is just your interpretation of Hebrews...........and, it was YOU who called people liars FIRST.

    You think you can publically call me and the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement liars on a Public Forum AND NOT be called out for it?

    You did this stuff for the first year and a half I was here on CC. You and one other.........which is why the both of you stayed on my Ignore List for well over a year............lately you backed off from such posts as the OP, but I see you are back to your old tricks.

    You may be able to fool some people here with your "back door" slap in the face of those who do not subscribe to the OSAS
    theology, but I have known you too long, and know your antics. You both said and implied what I posted.

    NOW..........show me in your OP where you stated that when a Believer sins, they must repent and ask for forgiveness for such sin, and I will apologize. FAILING THAT.........I demand you apologize to the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement that you called liars.

    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    KEEP lying pal...everyone can read and see you attacked me and this thread with twisted and embellished accusations and things I DID NOT SAY NOR IMPLY

    For someone who teaches you can lose salvation...Hebrews states you can never get it back (if it were possible)
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Moses was also a great man of God, chosen of God and by God to deliver the Israelites from Egypt sinned in the desert when he struck the rock twice in anger....He was not allowed to enter the promise land because of his sin, but never lost his salvation..He appears on the Mount of Transfiguration with JESUS and Elijah....notice his sin....

    And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

    If not of faith it is sin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rehbein View Post
    No, that is just your interpretation of Hebrews...........and, it was YOU who called people liars FIRST.

    You think you can publically call me and the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement liars on a Public Forum AND NOT be called out for it?

    You did this stuff for the first year and a half I was here on CC. You and one other.........which is why the both of you stayed on my Ignore List for well over a year............lately you backed off from such posts as the OP, but I see you are back to your old tricks.

    You may be able to fool some people here with your "back door" slap in the face of those who do not subscribe to the OSAS
    theology, but I have known you too long, and know your antics. You both said and implied what I posted.

    NOW..........show me in your OP where you stated that when a Believer sins, they must repent and ask for forgiveness for such sin, and I will apologize. FAILING THAT.........I demand you apologize to the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement that you called liars.
    a. NEVER once said a person does not need to repent or confess

    PROVE IT by posting VERBATIM where I SAID that or IMPLIED THAT....

    everything else is MOOT and false on your part!

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rehbein View Post
    No, that is just your interpretation of Hebrews...........and, it was YOU who called people liars FIRST.

    You think you can publically call me and the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement liars on a Public Forum AND NOT be called out for it?

    You did this stuff for the first year and a half I was here on CC. You and one other.........which is why the both of you stayed on my Ignore List for well over a year............lately you backed off from such posts as the OP, but I see you are back to your old tricks.

    You may be able to fool some people here with your "back door" slap in the face of those who do not subscribe to the OSAS
    theology, but I have known you too long, and know your antics. You both said and implied what I posted.

    NOW..........show me in your OP where you stated that when a Believer sins, they must repent and ask for forgiveness for such sin, and I will apologize. FAILING THAT.........I demand you apologize to the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement that you called liars.

    BACK door slap...now your judging motive and accusing...the post is aimed at those who claim to be sinless...KEEP digging pal...your pants are on fire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rehbein View Post
    QUOTE:

    We have had a few threads lately that reject the fact that as a believer we occasionally fail and sin....The bible speaks to this...the only ones who reject this for the most part are those who

    a. Believe they can lose salvation
    b. Believe they must do good to keep it
    c. Believe they must blend faith, works and be sinless after salvation

    The following verses prove that even the most righteous men of the bible failed and sinned or had sin.....those who deny this...are missing the mark....

    END QUOTE........

    That makes no sense whatsoever. Those who reject OSAS do so BASED ON THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED! What OSAS'ers push is that they DON'T have to repent for such sins as are described in Scripture. You guys say all your sins past, present, future were FORGIVEN when you were saved.

    Very misleading Post, and bordering on lying.

    But, hey, good try
    All sins are forgiven except blasphemy or is it all sins are forgivable except blasphemy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rehbein View Post
    Ask Dcon that question..........for the first year and a half I was here I argued with him about this idea of OSAS and Grace, Grace, nothing but Grace.........and posted many of the same Scriptures he posted in the OP, as well as many, many others, and he and his guys rejected all of them believing that once a person was saved any sins committed after salvation were already forgiven, and they did not need to repent and ask forgiveness. So ask him.

    I know what repentance is.......it is merely turning away from sin and back to God, it is NOT asking forgiveness for the sin one committed and had to repent of.

    You guys is nothing more than a statement.............don't like that one, then I'll use you OSAS'ers

    As for bordering on lying.............did you not read the OP? If so, then PLEASE ASK D that question. Here, let me refresh your memory........

    FROM OP:

    For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!

    Now, let me see you ask D that question
    Im glad you and I are agree with what repentance is. I wasn't going at you just wanted to know your thoughts.

    Your second point is crass and uncalled for.

    Your 3rd point is sarky but having said that you have made a valid point. I didn't notice is so I'm sorry.
    So I agree with you and I ask DC the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rehbein View Post
    No, that is just your interpretation of Hebrews...........and, it was YOU who called people liars FIRST.

    You think you can publically call me and the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement liars on a Public Forum AND NOT be called out for it?

    You did this stuff for the first year and a half I was here on CC. You and one other.........which is why the both of you stayed on my Ignore List for well over a year............lately you backed off from such posts as the OP, but I see you are back to your old tricks.

    You may be able to fool some people here with your "back door" slap in the face of those who do not subscribe to the OSAS
    theology, but I have known you too long, and know your antics. You both said and implied what I posted.

    NOW..........show me in your OP where you stated that when a Believer sins, they must repent and ask for forgiveness for such sin, and I will apologize. FAILING THAT.........I demand you apologize to the millions of believers of the Church of God Reformation Movement that you called liars.
    DEMAND....BLAH BLH BLAH..........post something relevant or quit accusing and derailing....
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    Back to your old ways. That is what is truly sad about all of this...........

    Prove verbatim where I ever said what you implied and said in your OP.

    One of your favorite tricks from the past. Make an inflammatory comment, get called on it, twist it around and demand others prove things.......

    I wasted a year and a half arguing with you about all of this junk........so don't hold your breath believing I will wast another year and a half doing so again...........you just ain't worth it.


    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    a. NEVER once said a person does not need to repent or confess

    PROVE IT by posting VERBATIM where I SAID that or IMPLIED THAT....

    everything else is MOOT and false on your part!
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Im glad you and I are agree with what repentance is. I wasn't going at you just wanted to know your thoughts.

    Your second point is crass and uncalled for.

    Your 3rd point is sarky but having said that you have made a valid point. I didn't notice is so I'm sorry.
    So I agree with you and I ask DC the same.
    He has past threads...he can go look and see and post it here...still waiting...!....I never said one time that people do not have to repent or confess....end of story!

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    You are just now aware of the History of Dconn here on CC and his arguments/attacks against those who do not believe in OSAS. Otherwise, you would understand the youguys/OSAS'ers comments......Now, if that doesn't apply to you, then just ignore it........



    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Im glad you and I are agree with what repentance is. I wasn't going at you just wanted to know your thoughts.

    Your second point is crass and uncalled for.

    Your 3rd point is sarky but having said that you have made a valid point. I didn't notice is so I'm sorry.
    So I agree with you and I ask DC the same.
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Hey DC, does your Bible include in John 3:16 that whoever no longer sins shall have everlasting life? Mine neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rehbein View Post
    Back to your old ways. That is what is truly sad about all of this...........

    Prove verbatim where I ever said what you implied and said in your OP.

    One of your favorite tricks from the past. Make an inflammatory comment, get called on it, twist it around and demand others prove things.......

    I wasted a year and a half arguing with you about all of this junk........so don't hold your breath believing I will wast another year and a half doing so again...........you just ain't worth it.
    They sell diapers and bottles at Wal-MART Paul.....my OP was aimed at ALL who claim to be sinless and what THEY HOLD to...I have never said ONE need not repent and or confess....EVER......so...you can accuse all you want....I could care less......!

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    If you think I'm going all the way back to 2014/15 for your comments you are nuts..........truly nuts........and I demand you apologize the Church of God Reformation Movement for your slur against them.

    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    He has past threads...he can go look and see and post it here...still waiting...!....I never said one time that people do not have to repent or confess....end of story!
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    We have had a few threads lately that reject the fact that as a believer we occasionally fail and sin....The bible speaks to this...the only ones who reject this for the most part are those who

    a. Believe they can lose salvation
    b. Believe they must do good to keep it
    c. Believe they must blend faith, works and be sinless after salvation

    The following verses prove that even the most righteous men of the bible failed and sinned or had sin.....those who deny this...are missing the mark....

    Daniel was a righteous saved child of God....anyone doubt that? NO
    John was a righteous mas whom Jesus loved and an apostle...anyone doubt that? NO
    Paul was a righteous man who was saved and wrote almost half the N.T...anyone doubt that? NO

    Notice their view under inspiration.

    For those who say the saved don't sin......or won't sin.......or are without sin......!

    DANIEL
    Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God,

    And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

    JOHN
    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

    PAUL
    O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

    The only man who was sinless 100% was Jesus...even the most faithful men and women of the bible failed and had sin that they struggled with....the above re all present tense...NOT PAST TENSE......!

    For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!
    It is also spiritual abuse.....spiritual murder in fact. Probably the worst kind of abuse that you can subject someone too. To tell them that they should be doing that which is not possible. It's horrible and they have the mind of a criminal victimizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    Hey DC, does your Bible include in John 3:16 that whoever no longer sins shall have everlasting life? Mine neither.
    No doubt...It also has verses about false accusers and God hating liars.......I guess they get chunked as well...
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    Good, you need to stock up on 'em...............through with you again..............you just are not truthful and I have spent years arguing you about this junk...........

    BTW.........it is "I could NOT care less." Saying I could CARE less is saying you actually CARE........and both you and I know you don't give a hoot, never have.............so back you go where you belong

    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    They sell diapers and bottles at Wal-MART Paul.....my OP was aimed at ALL who claim to be sinless and what THEY HOLD to...I have never said ONE need not repent and or confess....EVER......so...you can accuse all you want....I could care less......!
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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