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Saved children of God can fail horribly <--David murdered Uriah and took his wife.......yet was saved, never lost it, lost his joy, prayed to get it back, paid physically by disease and the sword (chastisement) but remained a son of God throughout the while process as evidenced by the PSALMS....and this was UNDER the LAW before GRACE was fully extended....
AND the full scope and picture of JESUS as the INNOCENT SON of DAVID paying our sin debt is found in the INNOCENT YOUNG CHILD of DAVID paying his PRICE in death....UNDER the LAW David should have died!
BLOWS MY MIND how many are IGNORANT of these truths....BLINDED like the self righteous PHARISEES......
I think we all tend to have some areas where we have a blind spot.
I think he went a bit overboard and will rethink what he said, because I've been reading a fair amount of his posts...
My mind has not been able to fully put down this perpetual argument for over a year now. Honestly, how could I put it down when it's basically the only thing ever argued about in bible forum?
A thinks B is saying we will never gain full victory over our pride, arrogance, murdering, etc.
B thinks A is saying yes we will gain victory by our hard work.
Neither is usually saying either of those things the other thinks they are and I can so plainly see it that it's surreal almost.
Here's one of the odder things I've noticed in following the argument for over a year. (Same handful of people, though one of them disappeared.)
The thing they say they are not saying but are being accused of, as they become more entrenched and narrow, actually does become what they begin to say.
How is that possible...?
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It's like...the more either side tries to say what they really, really mean, the more they both begin to actually say what they were accused of by the other. And I truly think I can see the way to clarity in it, but no one will listen to my american exceptionalism...
Some people's lamps are all wick.
then maybe it is pointless for those parties. What I have learnt is normally
there are people the Lord has on both sides and He will work through them,
so I trust the King and His ways.
I share "Jesus Christ and him crucified" 1 cor 2:2
"He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you
I agree that a man who has come to know himself would not claim to be without any sin ever. But it is very possible to be able to say one is not aware of any sin they have committed for a day or two days, etc.
The goal is not sinless perfection, for me anyway. Isn't the goal to abide in Him for increasing amounts of time?