Page 11 of 12 FirstFirst ... 9101112 LastLast
Results 201 to 220 of 230
Like Tree148Likes

Bible Discussion Forum

Ask (or answer) Bible questions here. Join or start a Bible discussion now!

Thread: Confused got a couple questions

  1. #201
    Senior Member CLee622's Avatar
    Join Date
    February 28th, 2017
    Age
    27
    Posts
    220
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulu_40 View Post
    1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

    2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

    3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.
    quick answer: 1. the love we have for families must (should) pale in comparison to our love for God.

    2. He is Lord of all...that includes Sabbath. He made Sabbath for man, not man for Sabbath. Another reason is simply to reveal the hypocrisy of the Jews.

    3. "God is not God of the dead, but if the living" ... her soul was not dead her body was. He was keenly aware of where she was even when she left her body.
    I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

  2. #202
    Senior Member maxwel's Avatar
    Join Date
    April 18th, 2013
    Age
    42
    Posts
    6,496
    Rep Power
    145

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Guys.

    Guys.

    He's been banned.

    He's gone.
    wsblind and CLee622 like this.

  3. #203
    Senior Member CLee622's Avatar
    Join Date
    February 28th, 2017
    Age
    27
    Posts
    220
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Interesting. I have a 3 year old and am usually not able to read all of the threads.

    I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

  4. #204
    Senior Member DiscipleDave's Avatar
    Join Date
    September 5th, 2012
    Age
    49
    Posts
    2,468
    Rep Power
    23

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Of course it is possible. Have you ever decided to do something and then tried to talk yourself out of it? Oh, or you one of those non existent specimens that never talk to themselves? Do you know, also, that Jesus explicitly said He said things for OUR benefit? He wanted us to know that He suffered. He suffered for US!!! How would YOU feel knowing you were going to be whipped to close to death and then crucified? Crucifixion is acknowledged as one of the most cruel forms of putting someone to death. He did it out of His great love for us. It was the reason why He incarnated (took on flesh to walk this world) in the first place. If you do not understand that, you understand nothing of Christianity.
    Everyone, please try to understand this, and it will be hard. i also did not understand why Jesus asked for this cup to pass from Him, when He knew full well HE had to drink it. Again, it is our (humans) understanding of the Scriptures that we think these things. When i asked God about this very thing, concerning why Jesus asked that. Here is what i way told. (NOT quoting)

    Jesus did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him, because He was scared, or weak, or even knowing what was to come upon Him. And He did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him forever. He was asking for the Father to give Him more time to be with His Disciples, to teach the people more TRUTHS. He had a mere 3 years to teach all things concerning the Kingdom of God, He was not asking God to let it pass from Him for ever, but was asking to postpone drinking that cup. Know you not that Jesus knew from the time of His birth that He was going to drink that cup? Know you not that He came into the World for the sole purpose of drinking that cup. He was not, nor ever did try to get out from doing that. HE knew full well He was going to drink that cup. The prayer was asking to postpone drinking that cup, Because He LOVED us so much and wanted to spend more time with us, before drinking that cup. Read it again, and this time instead of thinking He is trying to get away from drinking that cup permanently, read it as He was asking God to take it away from Him RIGHT THEN, in the NOW, at that very moment.

    How many times did Jesus say His hour was not yet come. He knew it was coming and that He would have to leave them, and go to the Father in Heaven. While Jesus was on Earth during those three Years, He loved it, He loved being here with us, He loved teaching us, He loved His Disciples and all those that were with Him, and now it was time to leave all of them. This is why He asked for the cup to pass from Him, to allow Him more time with US. Read it again, with all this in mind, and see if the Holy Ghost doesn't reveal to you the TRUTH of it. And as i said before, it is what He told me.

    ^i^

    ††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

    DiscipleDave

    When you do it to the least of these, you do it to Jesus


    Email me

    website

  5. #205
    Senior Member maxwel's Avatar
    Join Date
    April 18th, 2013
    Age
    42
    Posts
    6,496
    Rep Power
    145

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by CLee622 View Post
    Interesting. I have a 3 year old and am usually not able to read all of the threads.

    Your life is probably better that way.

    : )
    Magenta, Sirk, wsblind and 1 others like this.

  6. #206
    Member
    Join Date
    September 27th, 2016
    Age
    59
    Posts
    34
    Blog Entries
    14
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    In the Scriptures theword “hate” has several shades of meaning. It may denote intensehostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. Such hatemay become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object.“Hate” may also signify a strong dislike but without any intentto bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of afeeling of loathing toward it. The Bible also employs the word “hate”to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Ge 29:31,33; De 21:15,16) Forexample, Jesus Christ said: “If anyone comes to me and does nothate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers andsisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple.” (Lu14:26) Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feelhostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, asthis would not be in agreement with the rest of theScriptures.—Compare Mr 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29,33. In fact Jesussaid love would be a hallmark of true Christianity.
    Sherril likes this.

  7. #207
    Senior Member dcontroversal's Avatar
    Join Date
    December 12th, 2013
    Age
    50
    Posts
    25,827
    Blog Entries
    5
    Rep Power
    266

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscipleDave View Post
    Everyone, please try to understand this, and it will be hard. i also did not understand why Jesus asked for this cup to pass from Him, when He knew full well HE had to drink it. Again, it is our (humans) understanding of the Scriptures that we think these things. When i asked God about this very thing, concerning why Jesus asked that. Here is what i way told. (NOT quoting)

    Jesus did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him, because He was scared, or weak, or even knowing what was to come upon Him. And He did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him forever. He was asking for the Father to give Him more time to be with His Disciples, to teach the people more TRUTHS. He had a mere 3 years to teach all things concerning the Kingdom of God, He was not asking God to let it pass from Him for ever, but was asking to postpone drinking that cup. Know you not that Jesus knew from the time of His birth that He was going to drink that cup? Know you not that He came into the World for the sole purpose of drinking that cup. He was not, nor ever did try to get out from doing that. HE knew full well He was going to drink that cup. The prayer was asking to postpone drinking that cup, Because He LOVED us so much and wanted to spend more time with us, before drinking that cup. Read it again, and this time instead of thinking He is trying to get away from drinking that cup permanently, read it as He was asking God to take it away from Him RIGHT THEN, in the NOW, at that very moment.

    How many times did Jesus say His hour was not yet come. He knew it was coming and that He would have to leave them, and go to the Father in Heaven. While Jesus was on Earth during those three Years, He loved it, He loved being here with us, He loved teaching us, He loved His Disciples and all those that were with Him, and now it was time to leave all of them. This is why He asked for the cup to pass from Him, to allow Him more time with US. Read it again, with all this in mind, and see if the Holy Ghost doesn't reveal to you the TRUTH of it. And as i said before, it is what He told me.

    ^i^

    ††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

    DiscipleDave
    Jesus sweat drops of blood, sought strength from his friends by praying with him and asked this question....he also said the spirit is indeed willing and the flesh is weak...

    I do not think it is wrong or out of the question to see the humanity of Christ in this moment of human despair......the things he stated, the distress he was dealing with, the fact he knew he would be forsaken by everyone INCLUDING his FATHER seems to indicate and set forth the context of why he asked.....
    Magenta, Sirk and wsblind like this.

  8. #208
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    August 31st, 2016
    Age
    62
    Posts
    5
    Blog Entries
    6
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulu_40 View Post
    1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

    2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

    3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.
    The answer to question 3 is easy. Jesus was making a play on words: a completely dead person doesn't rise, but a sleeping person does. Jesus was about to bring the girl back to life, so she was sleeping awaiting resurrection, regardless of how dead she was. He said the same thing of Lazarus to the 12, first that he was sleeping, then that he was dead (4 days) and he was going to be raised.
    In question 1, the believers parents were mostly Jews. Many didn't accept Christianity, and would influence the believer negatively. They were supposed deny even their parents for their faith. The word "hate" is not the same word. Maybe someone else knows that word. It's widely believed that the man who said "let me first bury my father" was not in the middle of digging his father's grave, but was waiting for his inheritance at some point in the future. Jesus wasn't actually leaving anyway, so people had time to go back and say goodbye, if they had to. They were just making excuses.

    In Q2, Jesus did fulfill the spiritual aspects of the Law of Moses perfectly, and fulfilled certain prophecies. But he didn't care about the technical laws of the Talmud, or maybe even certain rituals of the Sabbath, making a point to break them whenever possible, claiming himself Lord of the Sabbath, and that ritual observances were not as important as spiritual righteousness.

  9. #209
    Banned
    Join Date
    February 18th, 2017
    Age
    44
    Posts
    779
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    Guys.

    Guys.

    He's been banned.

    He's gone.
    And He made it 62 posts in. I was betting on less than 20 posts. Darn.

    I will have to steal from one of my employee's to pay that bill.

  10. #210
    Senior Member Magenta's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 3rd, 2015
    Age
    62
    Posts
    18,759
    Rep Power
    410

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscipleDave View Post
    Everyone, please try to understand this, and it will be hard. i also did not understand why Jesus asked for this cup to pass from Him, when He knew full well HE had to drink it. Again, it is our (humans) understanding of the Scriptures that we think these things. When i asked God about this very thing, concerning why Jesus asked that. Here is what i way told. (NOT quoting)

    Jesus did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him, because He was scared, or weak, or even knowing what was to come upon Him. And He did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him forever. He was asking for the Father to give Him more time to be with His Disciples, to teach the people more TRUTHS. He had a mere 3 years to teach all things concerning the Kingdom of God, He was not asking God to let it pass from Him for ever, but was asking to postpone drinking that cup. Know you not that Jesus knew from the time of His birth that He was going to drink that cup? Know you not that He came into the World for the sole purpose of drinking that cup. He was not, nor ever did try to get out from doing that. HE knew full well He was going to drink that cup. The prayer was asking to postpone drinking that cup, Because He LOVED us so much and wanted to spend more time with us, before drinking that cup. Read it again, and this time instead of thinking He is trying to get away from drinking that cup permanently, read it as He was asking God to take it away from Him RIGHT THEN, in the NOW, at that very moment.

    How many times did Jesus say His hour was not yet come. He knew it was coming and that He would have to leave them, and go to the Father in Heaven. While Jesus was on Earth during those three Years, He loved it, He loved being here with us, He loved teaching us, He loved His Disciples and all those that were with Him, and now it was time to leave all of them. This is why He asked for the cup to pass from Him, to allow Him more time with US. Read it again, with all this in mind, and see if the Holy Ghost doesn't reveal to you the TRUTH of it. And as i said before, it is what He told me.

    ^i^

    ††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

    DiscipleDave
    He knew His hour was come and He was sweating blood due to extreme anguish at the thought of it (Lk 22:44). The Scriptures confirm this view. He knew exactly what was going to happen to Him (Jn 18:4).

    “My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death...”

    dcontroversal and Sully like this.


    Embrace the Grace and Rejoice in His Everlasting Mercy and Love

  11. #211
    Sully
    Guest

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    He knew His hour was come and He was sweating blood due to extreme anguish at the thought of it (Lk 22:44). The Scriptures confirm this view. He knew exactly what was going to happen to Him (Jn 18:4).

    “My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death...”

    Which is why mockers shall not tread. Nicely done mods.
    dcontroversal and Magenta like this.

  12. #212
    Senior Member maxwel's Avatar
    Join Date
    April 18th, 2013
    Age
    42
    Posts
    6,496
    Rep Power
    145

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by wsblind View Post
    And He made it 62 posts in. I was betting on less than 20 posts. Darn.

    I will have to steal from one of my employee's to pay that bill.

    I was really surprised people didn't say anything about his name, lol.

    Usually naming yourself after a demon would be considered... err... suspicious.
    wsblind likes this.

  13. #213
    Senior Member Magenta's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 3rd, 2015
    Age
    62
    Posts
    18,759
    Rep Power
    410

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    Which is why mockers shall not tread. Nicely done mods.
    It is always interesting while it lasts but a relief to have done with Once the OP started calling Jesus names I knew it was game over. He was breaking the rules at that point for sure, if not before...


    Embrace the Grace and Rejoice in His Everlasting Mercy and Love

  14. #214
    Senior Member Magenta's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 3rd, 2015
    Age
    62
    Posts
    18,759
    Rep Power
    410

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    I was really surprised people didn't say anything about his name, lol.

    Usually naming yourself after a demon would be considered... err... suspicious.
    As soon as I saw it, I looked it up.
    maxwel likes this.


    Embrace the Grace and Rejoice in His Everlasting Mercy and Love

  15. #215
    Banned
    Join Date
    February 18th, 2017
    Age
    44
    Posts
    779
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Jesus sweat drops of blood, sought strength from his friends by praying with him and asked this question....he also said the spirit is indeed willing and the flesh is weak...

    I do not think it is wrong or out of the question to see the humanity of Christ in this moment of human despair......the things he stated, the distress he was dealing with, the fact he knew he would be forsaken by everyone INCLUDING his FATHER seems to indicate and set forth the context of why he asked.....
    Usually there isn't some "mystical" "God told me" or "secret message that needs to be deciphered" from Scripture.

    Your spot on. Jesus Christ was 100% true humanity. Living real life. About to be forsaken by His Father .........who He has had eternal,eternal, ETERNAL fellowship with.

    I believe what disturbed Jesus the most was knowing he would be forsaken by the Father. The pain of the beatings,the cross,spitting upon,having His beard plucked out, his flesh ripped to the bones was all secondary to being forsaken by His Father.
    dcontroversal and Magenta like this.

  16. #216
    Senior Member dcontroversal's Avatar
    Join Date
    December 12th, 2013
    Age
    50
    Posts
    25,827
    Blog Entries
    5
    Rep Power
    266

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by wsblind View Post
    Usually there isn't some "mystical" "God told me" or "secret message that needs to be deciphered" from Scripture.

    Your spot on. Jesus Christ was 100% true humanity. Living real life. About to be forsaken by His Father .........who He has had eternal,eternal, ETERNAL fellowship with.

    I believe what disturbed Jesus the most was knowing he would be forsaken by the Father. The pain of the beatings,the cross,spitting upon,having His beard plucked out, his flesh ripped to the bones was all secondary to being forsaken by His Father.
    Amen brother....a moment of human weakness and stress beyond our ability to fully appreciate or comprehend......

    Overcome by the willing spirit and submission to the leadership of the Holy Spirit to surrender to the will of his Father...
    wsblind likes this.

  17. #217
    Senior Member dcontroversal's Avatar
    Join Date
    December 12th, 2013
    Age
    50
    Posts
    25,827
    Blog Entries
    5
    Rep Power
    266

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    It is always interesting while it lasts but a relief to have done with Once the OP started calling Jesus names I knew it was game over. He was breaking the rules at that point for sure, if not before...
    I fully agree with their decision as there are some hard fast rules that need to be enforced.........tragic consequences to a fruitless attempt to circumvent the truth in a feeble attempt to discredit the truth....

  18. #218
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    December 21st, 2012
    Age
    54
    Posts
    2,883
    Blog Entries
    4
    Rep Power
    37

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulu_40 View Post
    If it's so real and true there would be no other questions that could dismiss their answers, I have lost all faith I had in just a couple hours, I was christian when I first came here but now I am not. If I say 2×2 is 4 could you dismiss that? Also if you have an all powerful god behind you how could I dismiss your answers
    Because you sought the answers not from Him. How do you not know that your sinful nature is blinding you to the truth?

    Even believer has to go to that throne of grace for help in having His wisdom to find the truth in His words.

    James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    If you really were a believer, and only God knows that, then He still abides in you ( 2 Timothy 2:13 ), but you are still called to look to Him for help to depart from iniquity; even the iniquity of unbelief, ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 ) because Jesus Christ will be coming soon to judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) at the pre tribulational rapture event where believers in iniquity and former believers will be left behind ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) to face the fire coming on the earth ( Luke 12:40-49 ) and the subsequent great tribulation.

    So ask yourself why did you come here? To seek answers from christians that can only have those answers if they had sought them from Him? Then set aside the games of empty excuses and seek the truth from Him in His words of the KJV.

    Anyone can play obtuse and mock; but maybe the Lord led you here to see how you came across in asking questions to help you see your need of Him to answer those questions for you as only He can help you see the truth in His words.

    Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

    I shall send a prayer up for you; I hope others will do the same as He will help us to forgive you for you know not what you do. Mayhap you will call on Him after the pre trib rapture, but we can hope for your good that you will call on Him for help before that time so that you may be found abiding in Him as His disciple in being ready to go when the Bridegroom comes.

  19. #219
    Banned
    Join Date
    February 18th, 2017
    Age
    44
    Posts
    779
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    I was really surprised people didn't say anything about his name, lol.

    Usually naming yourself after a demon would be considered... err... suspicious.
    I didn't notice his name, until it was pointed out.

    Iv'e always been the guy who never hears about the brick wall until I hit it.
    Sirk and Laish like this.

  20. #220
    Senior Member Willie-T's Avatar
    Join Date
    February 7th, 2015
    Age
    72
    Posts
    21,238
    Rep Power
    267

    Default Re: Confused got a couple questions

    He had his chance. I made it very clear what he could expect if he just kept posting those standard "canned" questions from Atheist sites............ and also that he could pave his own way for being welcomed here if he would just come on straight and honest.

    He clearly decided which he preferred.
    __________________________________________________ ________________________________________
    “True eloquence consists of saying all that is necessary, and only that which is .” François Duc De La Rochefoucauld (among others)
    I am the righteousness of God, in Christ Jesus.

Page 11 of 12 FirstFirst ... 9101112 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Couple of questions
    By Free-To-Be in forum Bible Discussion Forum
    Replies: 64
    Last Post: November 28th, 2014, 04:57 PM
  2. Confused about a couple of things.
    By ultrasann in forum Christian Singles Forum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: December 18th, 2013, 01:18 AM
  3. Couple of questions
    By CBM82 in forum Bible Discussion Forum
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: January 28th, 2012, 10:00 PM
  4. A couple of questions
    By SpiritFeather in forum Bible Discussion Forum
    Replies: 52
    Last Post: July 11th, 2011, 02:46 AM
  5. I have a couple of questions...
    By Boston_Laura in forum Christian Teens Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: June 14th, 2010, 08:32 AM