Confused got a couple questions

CLee622 · Mar 13, 2017

quick answer: 1. the love we have for families must (should) pale in comparison to our love for God.

2. He is Lord of all...that includes Sabbath. He made Sabbath for man, not man for Sabbath. Another reason is simply to reveal the hypocrisy of the Jews.

3. "God is not God of the dead, but if the living" ... her soul was not dead her body was. He was keenly aware of where she was even when she left her body.

maxwel · Mar 13, 2017

Guys.

Guys.

He's been banned.

He's gone.

CLee622 · Mar 13, 2017

Interesting. I have a 3 year old and am usually not able to read all of the threads.

DiscipleDave · Mar 13, 2017

Magenta said:

Everyone, please try to understand this, and it will be hard. i also did not understand why Jesus asked for this cup to pass from Him, when He knew full well HE had to drink it. Again, it is our (humans) understanding of the Scriptures that we think these things. When i asked God about this very thing, concerning why Jesus asked that. Here is what i way told. (NOT quoting)

Jesus did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him, because He was scared, or weak, or even knowing what was to come upon Him. And He did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him forever. He was asking for the Father to give Him more time to be with His Disciples, to teach the people more TRUTHS. He had a mere 3 years to teach all things concerning the Kingdom of God, He was not asking God to let it pass from Him for ever, but was asking to postpone drinking that cup. Know you not that Jesus knew from the time of His birth that He was going to drink that cup? Know you not that He came into the World for the sole purpose of drinking that cup. He was not, nor ever did try to get out from doing that. HE knew full well He was going to drink that cup. The prayer was asking to postpone drinking that cup, Because He LOVED us so much and wanted to spend more time with us, before drinking that cup. Read it again, and this time instead of thinking He is trying to get away from drinking that cup permanently, read it as He was asking God to take it away from Him RIGHT THEN, in the NOW, at that very moment.

How many times did Jesus say His hour was not yet come. He knew it was coming and that He would have to leave them, and go to the Father in Heaven. While Jesus was on Earth during those three Years, He loved it, He loved being here with us, He loved teaching us, He loved His Disciples and all those that were with Him, and now it was time to leave all of them. This is why He asked for the cup to pass from Him, to allow Him more time with US. Read it again, with all this in mind, and see if the Holy Ghost doesn't reveal to you the TRUTH of it. And as i said before, it is what He told me.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

maxwel · Mar 13, 2017

CLee622 said:

Your life is probably better that way.

: )

Exodus1 · Mar 13, 2017

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In the Scriptures theword “hate” has several shades of meaning. It may denote intensehostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. Such hatemay become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object.“Hate” may also signify a strong dislike but without any intentto bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of afeeling of loathing toward it. The Bible also employs the word “hate”to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Ge 29:31,33; De 21:15,16) Forexample, Jesus Christ said: “If anyone comes to me and does nothate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers andsisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple.” (Lu14:26) Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feelhostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, asthis would not be in agreement with the rest of theScriptures.—Compare Mr 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29,33. In fact Jesussaid love would be a hallmark of true Christianity.[/FONT]

dcontroversal · Mar 13, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Everyone, please try to understand this, and it will be hard. i also did not understand why Jesus asked for this cup to pass from Him, when He knew full well HE had to drink it. Again, it is our (humans) understanding of the Scriptures that we think these things. When i asked God about this very thing, concerning why Jesus asked that. Here is what i way told. (NOT quoting)

Jesus did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him, because He was scared, or weak, or even knowing what was to come upon Him. And He did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him forever. He was asking for the Father to give Him more time to be with His Disciples, to teach the people more TRUTHS. He had a mere 3 years to teach all things concerning the Kingdom of God, He was not asking God to let it pass from Him for ever, but was asking to postpone drinking that cup. Know you not that Jesus knew from the time of His birth that He was going to drink that cup? Know you not that He came into the World for the sole purpose of drinking that cup. He was not, nor ever did try to get out from doing that. HE knew full well He was going to drink that cup. The prayer was asking to postpone drinking that cup, Because He LOVED us so much and wanted to spend more time with us, before drinking that cup. Read it again, and this time instead of thinking He is trying to get away from drinking that cup permanently, read it as He was asking God to take it away from Him RIGHT THEN, in the NOW, at that very moment.

How many times did Jesus say His hour was not yet come. He knew it was coming and that He would have to leave them, and go to the Father in Heaven. While Jesus was on Earth during those three Years, He loved it, He loved being here with us, He loved teaching us, He loved His Disciples and all those that were with Him, and now it was time to leave all of them. This is why He asked for the cup to pass from Him, to allow Him more time with US. Read it again, with all this in mind, and see if the Holy Ghost doesn't reveal to you the TRUTH of it. And as i said before, it is what He told me.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Jesus sweat drops of blood, sought strength from his friends by praying with him and asked this question....he also said the spirit is indeed willing and the flesh is weak...

I do not think it is wrong or out of the question to see the humanity of Christ in this moment of human despair......the things he stated, the distress he was dealing with, the fact he knew he would be forsaken by everyone INCLUDING his FATHER seems to indicate and set forth the context of why he asked.....

Truthseer · Mar 13, 2017

Cthulu_40 said:

The answer to question 3 is easy. Jesus was making a play on words: a completely dead person doesn't rise, but a sleeping person does. Jesus was about to bring the girl back to life, so she was sleeping awaiting resurrection, regardless of how dead she was. He said the same thing of Lazarus to the 12, first that he was sleeping, then that he was dead (4 days) and he was going to be raised.
In question 1, the believers parents were mostly Jews. Many didn't accept Christianity, and would influence the believer negatively. They were supposed deny even their parents for their faith. The word "hate" is not the same word. Maybe someone else knows that word. It's widely believed that the man who said "let me first bury my father" was not in the middle of digging his father's grave, but was waiting for his inheritance at some point in the future. Jesus wasn't actually leaving anyway, so people had time to go back and say goodbye, if they had to. They were just making excuses.

In Q2, Jesus did fulfill the spiritual aspects of the Law of Moses perfectly, and fulfilled certain prophecies. But he didn't care about the technical laws of the Talmud, or maybe even certain rituals of the Sabbath, making a point to break them whenever possible, claiming himself Lord of the Sabbath, and that ritual observances were not as important as spiritual righteousness.

wsblind · Mar 13, 2017

maxwel said:

And He made it 62 posts in. I was betting on less than 20 posts. Darn.

I will have to steal from one of my employee's to pay that bill.

Magenta · Mar 13, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Everyone, please try to understand this, and it will be hard. i also did not understand why Jesus asked for this cup to pass from Him, when He knew full well HE had to drink it. Again, it is our (humans) understanding of the Scriptures that we think these things. When i asked God about this very thing, concerning why Jesus asked that. Here is what i way told. (NOT quoting)

Jesus did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him, because He was scared, or weak, or even knowing what was to come upon Him. And He did not ask the Father to let that cup pass from Him forever. He was asking for the Father to give Him more time to be with His Disciples, to teach the people more TRUTHS. He had a mere 3 years to teach all things concerning the Kingdom of God, He was not asking God to let it pass from Him for ever, but was asking to postpone drinking that cup. Know you not that Jesus knew from the time of His birth that He was going to drink that cup? Know you not that He came into the World for the sole purpose of drinking that cup. He was not, nor ever did try to get out from doing that. HE knew full well He was going to drink that cup. The prayer was asking to postpone drinking that cup, Because He LOVED us so much and wanted to spend more time with us, before drinking that cup. Read it again, and this time instead of thinking He is trying to get away from drinking that cup permanently, read it as He was asking God to take it away from Him RIGHT THEN, in the NOW, at that very moment.

How many times did Jesus say His hour was not yet come. He knew it was coming and that He would have to leave them, and go to the Father in Heaven. While Jesus was on Earth during those three Years, He loved it, He loved being here with us, He loved teaching us, He loved His Disciples and all those that were with Him, and now it was time to leave all of them. This is why He asked for the cup to pass from Him, to allow Him more time with US. Read it again, with all this in mind, and see if the Holy Ghost doesn't reveal to you the TRUTH of it. And as i said before, it is what He told me.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

He knew His hour was come and He was sweating blood due to extreme anguish at the thought of it (Lk 22:44). The Scriptures confirm this view. He knew exactly what was going to happen to Him (Jn 18:4).

“My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death...”

Sully · Mar 13, 2017

Magenta said:

Which is why mockers shall not tread. Nicely done mods.

maxwel · Mar 13, 2017

wsblind said:

I was really surprised people didn't say anything about his name, lol.

Usually naming yourself after a demon would be considered... err... suspicious.

Magenta · Mar 13, 2017

Sully said:

It is always interesting while it lasts but a relief to have done with

Once the OP started calling Jesus names I knew it was game over. He was breaking the rules at that point for sure, if not before...

Magenta · Mar 13, 2017

maxwel said:

As soon as I saw it, I looked it up.

wsblind · Mar 13, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Usually there isn't some "mystical" "God told me" or "secret message that needs to be deciphered" from Scripture.

Your spot on. Jesus Christ was 100% true humanity. Living real life. About to be forsaken by His Father .........who He has had eternal,eternal, ETERNAL fellowship with.

I believe what disturbed Jesus the most was knowing he would be forsaken by the Father. The pain of the beatings,the cross,spitting upon,having His beard plucked out, his flesh ripped to the bones was all secondary to being forsaken by His Father.

dcontroversal · Mar 13, 2017

wsblind said:

Amen brother....a moment of human weakness and stress beyond our ability to fully appreciate or comprehend......

Overcome by the willing spirit and submission to the leadership of the Holy Spirit to surrender to the will of his Father...

dcontroversal · Mar 13, 2017

Magenta said:

I fully agree with their decision as there are some hard fast rules that need to be enforced.........tragic consequences to a fruitless attempt to circumvent the truth in a feeble attempt to discredit the truth....

Enow · Mar 13, 2017

Cthulu_40 said:

Because you sought the answers not from Him. How do you not know that your sinful nature is blinding you to the truth?

Even believer has to go to that throne of grace for help in having His wisdom to find the truth in His words.

James 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Hebrews 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.[SUP]15 [/SUP]For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

If you really were a believer, and only God knows that, then He still abides in you ( 2 Timothy 2:13 ), but you are still called to look to Him for help to depart from iniquity; even the iniquity of unbelief, ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 ) because Jesus Christ will be coming soon to judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) at the pre tribulational rapture event where believers in iniquity and former believers will be left behind ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) to face the fire coming on the earth ( Luke 12:40-49 ) and the subsequent great tribulation.

So ask yourself why did you come here? To seek answers from christians that can only have those answers if they had sought them from Him? Then set aside the games of empty excuses and seek the truth from Him in His words of the KJV.

Anyone can play obtuse and mock; but maybe the Lord led you here to see how you came across in asking questions to help you see your need of Him to answer those questions for you as only He can help you see the truth in His words.

Mark 9:[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

I shall send a prayer up for you; I hope others will do the same as He will help us to forgive you for you know not what you do. Mayhap you will call on Him after the pre trib rapture, but we can hope for your good that you will call on Him for help before that time so that you may be found abiding in Him as His disciple in being ready to go when the Bridegroom comes.

wsblind · Mar 13, 2017

maxwel said:

I didn't notice his name, until it was pointed out.

Iv'e always been the guy who never hears about the brick wall until I hit it.

Willie-T · Mar 13, 2017

He had his chance. I made it very clear what he could expect if he just kept posting those standard "canned" questions from Atheist sites............ and also that he could pave his own way for being welcomed here if he would just come on straight and honest.

He clearly decided which he preferred.

Confused got a couple questions

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