Confused got a couple questions

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1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.
 

Embankment

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Jesus, did not candy coat his truth.
Jesus told things bluntly.
Jesus was referring to the fact that there would be those who follow Jesus and those who remained Jews. There was no middle ground and the seperation would distroy families linked by blood. It however joined families linked by God.
 
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1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.


​I have a question for you. Are you seeking answers or are you going to tell us the answer? Save all of us a lot of trouble if you just state what you mean.
 

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1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.
Good questions.

1. Comparison is the key. The hatred is not just for hatred itself, but in comparison to how they love the kingdom of God, their love for wordly families must look like they hate them. They sacrified their own life, families, friends for the gospel.

2. The sabbath law had a special meaning in the OT. It was the image of the rest in Christ Jesus. So, logically, Christ Jesus did not need to keep it. He is/was the sabbath.

3. Christ seemed to avoid the word "death". For example when Lazarus died, Jesus said: "Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up." When his disciples said that there is no need to wake up a sleeping person, Jesus said clearly: "Lazarus died."
 

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Keeping the sabbath was an OT traddition that was soon to end with Jesus death & reserection. The NC has no such provision.
 
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Jesus didn't say hate your family. As I recall the scriptures says God said whoever loves their family more than him is not worthy of him. In other words we are to love God more than anyone. However we can still love our families, Jesus even said to love one another to his disciples. Jesus and the father are one, as he replied to accusers in John 5:17 - In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."
 
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So anyone who does not love him more than their own parents is not worthy of him? What happened to honor thy father and mother? Here, he is placing himself above the family members of his followers, AGAIN, indicating pride and extreme arrogance:

Matthew 10: 37
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

This is also the sin of ENVY- he is so jealous of anyone who might share their love for another.
 

Embankment

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One is not capable of true love without first knowing Jesus. That is the point.
 

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So anyone who does not love him more than their own parents is not worthy of him? What happened to honor thy father and mother? Here, he is placing himself above the family members of his followers, AGAIN, indicating pride and extreme arrogance:

Matthew 10: 37
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

This is also the sin of ENVY- he is so jealous of anyone who might share their love for another.
You ignore the fact that the first four commandments have to do with honoring God. It is always, God first. Otherwise everything else is messed up and in the wrong order.
 
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Also why is Jesus so similar to the other 15 suffering saviors of mythology? Why don't Christians believe any of the other virgin births and savior stories recorded in ancient literature? How is it that the ritual of Christian communion existed in the prior pagan ceremonies of eating the body and drinking the blood of their gods? How is it that the Christian ritual of baptism also existed in the prior pagan cults? Weren't the very defining doctrines of Christianity actually assimilated from the endemic pagan cults? Likewise, why are Easter, Christmas, the Lenten season, rogation days, and others, derived from pagan holidays. Didn't Christianity have any legitimate calendar of commemorations of its own?
 

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Also why is Jesus so similar to the other 15 suffering saviors of mythology? Why don't Christians believe any of the other virgin births and savior stories recorded in ancient literature? How is it that the ritual of Christian communion existed in the prior pagan ceremonies of eating the body and drinking the blood of their gods? How is it that the Christian ritual of baptism also existed in the prior pagan cults? Weren't the very defining doctrines of Christianity actually assimilated from the endemic pagan cults? Likewise, why are Easter, Christmas, the Lenten season, rogation days, and others, derived from pagan holidays. Didn't Christianity have any legitimate calendar of commemorations of its own?
Your pretend virgin stories are fakes. Do your research, instead of readily accepting the atheist lies.
 
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So anyone who does not love him more than their own parents is not worthy of him? What happened to honor thy father and mother? Here, he is placing himself above the family members of his followers, AGAIN, indicating pride and extreme arrogance: Matthew 10: 37 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. This is also the sin of ENVY- he is so jealous of anyone who might share their love for another.
God created everything including you. Your parents can't ever love you as much as he does. If it wasn't for God no one wouldn't have the ability to love and your complaining about him wanting to be first? He gave up his own son who went through brutal torture so you wouldn't have to pay for your own sins and go to Hell for eternity. God has done alot for you & to call him prideful & arrogant sounds like you don't appreciate what he has done for you which is unfortunate.
 
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Also why is Jesus so similar to the other 15 suffering saviors of mythology? Why don't Christians believe any of the other virgin births and savior stories recorded in ancient literature? How is it that the ritual of Christian communion existed in the prior pagan ceremonies of eating the body and drinking the blood of their gods? How is it that the Christian ritual of baptism also existed in the prior pagan cults? Weren't the very defining doctrines of Christianity actually assimilated from the endemic pagan cults? Likewise, why are Easter, Christmas, the Lenten season, rogation days, and others, derived from pagan holidays. Didn't Christianity have any legitimate calendar of commemorations of its own?
I bet you don't make another 5 or 6 posts before banning. Hopefully a bit sooner though.
 
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You ignore the fact that the first four commandments have to do with honoring God. It is always, God first. Otherwise everything else is messed up and in the wrong order.
Exodus 20
I Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

It is apparent the Nazarene is claiming he is "God." So where does that leave Jehova?:

Matthew 4
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [Here he is obviously referring to himself]

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Titus 2
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Now "Jesus" is God?

Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth...
 

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If you choosed to actually learn what the Bible says you would see it is completely different than any other religion. By reading your posts it is clear you do not understand even the basic nature of Jesus or the Spirit of God.