PreTrib's insurmountable problem with "the first resurrection":

[MattTooFor]

Another of PreTrib's glaring errors…is the matter of the “first resurrection”. In Revelation 20:4-5 it states:

“I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus…They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years…This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection“.

Wait a minute! In contradiction to the above scripture, we have been told by PreTrib proponents that the “first resurrection” occurs at the time of their alleged PreTrib rapture!

But Rev. 20:4-5 counters this directly — the “first resurrection” occurs only when the martyred souls are resurrected...which obviously occurs AFTER the entire span of the Great Tribulation.

There IS no “first resurrection” at the time of a PreTrib rapture…simply because there is no PreTrib rapture!

 

[dcontroversal]

One of many contradictions that shoots down the pre-trib like a Jap Zero over the Coral Sea.....

 

[88]

Another of PreTrib's glaring errors…is the matter of the “first resurrection”. In Revelation 20:4-5 it states:

“I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus…They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years…This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection“.

Wait a minute! In contradiction to the above scripture, we have been told by PreTrib proponents that the “first resurrection” occurs at the time of their alleged PreTrib rapture!

But Rev. 20:4-5 counters this directly — the “first resurrection” occurs only when the martyred souls are resurrected...which obviously occurs AFTER the entire span of the Great Tribulation.

There IS no “first resurrection” at the time of a PreTrib rapture…simply because there is no PreTrib rapture!

****the First Resurrection includes both the Rapture of the Church (I Thessalonians 4:13-15) and Revelation 20:4 which are the Tribulation Martyrs...

 

[Rondonmon]

****the First Resurrection includes both the Rapture of the Church (I Thessalonians 4:13-15) and Revelation 20:4 which are the Tribulation Martyrs...

Exactly...... The First Resurrection are of THOSE UNDER THE BLOOD.

The Second are of those who chose to REJECT THE BLOOD.

Beautiful simplicity.

 

[EarnestQ]

****the First Resurrection includes both the Rapture of the Church (I Thessalonians 4:13-15) and Revelation 20:4 which are the Tribulation Martyrs...

That is two resurrections.

 

[dcontroversal]

That is two resurrections.

EXACTLY......they seem to be oblivious to the fact that in the N.T. the saints are identified as saved, immersed church members and the application of the word KEEP unto the FAITHFUL church members of the church at Philadelphia means--->to protect or guard from loss or harm....NOT REMOVE

 

[Ahwatukee]

That is two resurrections.

Hello EarnestQ,

Actually, the first resurrection is made up of phases or stages. You have Jesus as the first fruits of the first resurrection, the church at his appearing, the male child/144,000, the two witnesses and the great tribulation saints. All of these fall under the banner of first resurrection. The resurrection that takes place at the end of the thousand years is the one that you wouldn't want to take part in, for the second death has power over those who take part in that resurrection. It is important to remember that, "first resurrection" does not mean "only resurrection."

 

[popeye]

That is two resurrections.

What was Jesus' resurrection,along with other graves opening with his?

Combine that with the op.

What would you have?

No matter how you slice it,you are going to have several resurrections.

 

[EarnestQ]

Hello EarnestQ,

Actually, the first resurrection is made up of phases or stages. You have Jesus as the first fruits of the first resurrection, the church at his appearing, the male child/144,000, the two witnesses and the great tribulation saints. All of these fall under the banner of first resurrection. The resurrection that takes place at the end of the thousand years is the one that you wouldn't want to take part in, for the second death has power over those who take part in that resurrection. It is important to remember that, "first resurrection" does not mean "only resurrection."

Can you please provide some Bible verses that indicate that the first resurrection comes in phases? Thank you.

 

[popeye]

Another of PreTrib's glaring errors…is the matter of the “first resurrection”. In Revelation 20:4-5 it states:

“I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus…They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years…This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection“.

Wait a minute! In contradiction to the above scripture, we have been told by PreTrib proponents that the “first resurrection” occurs at the time of their alleged PreTrib rapture!

But Rev. 20:4-5 counters this directly — the “first resurrection” occurs only when the martyred souls are resurrected...which obviously occurs AFTER the entire span of the Great Tribulation.

There IS no “first resurrection” at the time of a PreTrib rapture…simply because there is no PreTrib rapture!

I could use your same template to say Jesus was raised after the GT also,since you erroneously place"first resurrection" arbitrary at the end of the GT.

The text is declaring who they are,not when they lost their life.

No harmony,and your clue is the innumerable number. It says they came out of the GT.

News flash....that is the same group you are misplacing.

 

[popeye]

Can you please provide some Bible verses that indicate that the first resurrection comes in phases? Thank you.

A better question would be why do you need Jesus' resurrection,along with the patriarch's to not be part of the "first resurrection".

 

[popeye]

In fact,not only does rev 20 NOT give the time of their death,it actually points to a group of "resurrected" since Jesus is obviously the first fruit.

 

[EarnestQ]

A better question would be why do you need Jesus' resurrection,along with the patriarch's to not be part of the "first resurrection".

I don't understand your question. Can you restate, please?

 

[EarsToHear]

The 1st resurrection happens when Christ returns. Those folks are good to go.

The 2nd resurrection happens 1,000 yrs. after Christ returns at the end of the millennium. Those who do not make this one will go into the lake of fire, which is the death of the soul, or the 2nd death. They will be blotted out, as tho they never existed - not even so much as a memory of them.

There will be nothing that offends in heaven.

 

[popeye]

I don't understand your question. Can you restate, please?

I am saying it has to be a multipart resurrection,or "first resurrection" as tho op would have us believe is exclusive to those martyrs of rev 20 would exclude Jesus.

Basically what the op alludes to is impossible.

 

[popeye]

Note the op uses a translation that uses " came to life"

If you look at the literal,it just says" lived".

That word "zao" is not indicating the act of resurrection.

Lived is correct.

Yet another problem with the op.

 

[popeye]

The 1st resurrection happens when Christ returns. Those folks are good to go.

The 2nd resurrection happens 1,000 yrs. after Christ returns at the end of the millennium. Those who do not make this one will go into the lake of fire, which is the death of the soul, or the 2nd death. They will be blotted out, as tho they never existed - not even so much as a memory of them.

There will be nothing that offends in heaven.

Except that those raised at the rapture are not the first. So,it is a group of several instances.

 

[popeye]

Ironically the resurrection proves decisively the rapture is pretrib .

Kinda funny

 

[John146]

Another of PreTrib's glaring errors…is the matter of the “first resurrection”. In Revelation 20:4-5 it states:

“I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus…They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years…This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection“.

Wait a minute! In contradiction to the above scripture, we have been told by PreTrib proponents that the “first resurrection” occurs at the time of their alleged PreTrib rapture!

But Rev. 20:4-5 counters this directly — the “first resurrection” occurs only when the martyred souls are resurrected...which obviously occurs AFTER the entire span of the Great Tribulation.

There IS no “first resurrection” at the time of a PreTrib rapture…simply because there is no PreTrib rapture!

What about the resurrection that occurred shortly after Christ's resurrection?

Matthew 27
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Many OT saints were resurrected and appeared unto many in Jerusalem as a witness.

 

[Locutus]

Dispensationalism has insurmountable problems with both resurrections.

First resurrection:

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Eph 2:5 (NASB) even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),


Second resurrection:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.