Tree of good and evil.
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Hi Samuel, Here's my thoughts. Adam and Eve knew only goodness. They knew only love. They knew only the characteristics of God which are pure, holy righteous and good.
I believe that the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the fruit of a fallen man. When Adam ate it, he, Even and mankind was doomed to know only good and evil. They would need something extra now to have a relationship with God.
In this state they would never know the true goodness of God anymore. They would now know a only a worldly type of goodness.
Adam and Eve tried to cover their nakedness, but it just wouldn't do. So God's first sacrifice for sin for mankind was done for Adam and Eve. He took of the sacrifice to cover their sin. So now, Adam and Eve could be in a right relationship with God because God covered their sin.
You know when others say something like, "Sally is good people." What they mean is she basically lives a moral life. She's not a believer, but she knows right from wrong and she tries to live a moral life towards others. This is the fruit from the true of knowledge of good and evil. This part of Sally that others see in her in the good of it. The evil in her life may not be seen by others, but it's there. Maybe a lie once in a while or whatever.
Once we know there's a God and are drawn and act on it by faith, we'll never know God's true goodness, we only have a worldly knowledge of goodness.
I was born later in life at 25. I didn't grow up in the church so I only knew the goodness of the world. Others would have considered me 'good people'. But I wasn't. They only saw with eyes of a good worldly goodness and not of a Godly goodness.
Those who see the Godly goodness in us want nothing to do with us and we're a stench in their nostrils. Which is why many Christians today are being persecuted, thrown in prison and killed. The world hates Jesus so it will hate us. Why? Because their deeds are evil and they want the pleasures of darkness and desire to worship them instead of turning to God.
So the tree of knowledge of good and evil brings only death and not God's goodness.
I believe that the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the fruit of a fallen man. When Adam ate it, he, Even and mankind was doomed to know only good and evil. They would need something extra now to have a relationship with God.
In this state they would never know the true goodness of God anymore. They would now know a only a worldly type of goodness.
Adam and Eve tried to cover their nakedness, but it just wouldn't do. So God's first sacrifice for sin for mankind was done for Adam and Eve. He took of the sacrifice to cover their sin. So now, Adam and Eve could be in a right relationship with God because God covered their sin.
You know when others say something like, "Sally is good people." What they mean is she basically lives a moral life. She's not a believer, but she knows right from wrong and she tries to live a moral life towards others. This is the fruit from the true of knowledge of good and evil. This part of Sally that others see in her in the good of it. The evil in her life may not be seen by others, but it's there. Maybe a lie once in a while or whatever.
Once we know there's a God and are drawn and act on it by faith, we'll never know God's true goodness, we only have a worldly knowledge of goodness.
I was born later in life at 25. I didn't grow up in the church so I only knew the goodness of the world. Others would have considered me 'good people'. But I wasn't. They only saw with eyes of a good worldly goodness and not of a Godly goodness.
Those who see the Godly goodness in us want nothing to do with us and we're a stench in their nostrils. Which is why many Christians today are being persecuted, thrown in prison and killed. The world hates Jesus so it will hate us. Why? Because their deeds are evil and they want the pleasures of darkness and desire to worship them instead of turning to God.
So the tree of knowledge of good and evil brings only death and not God's goodness.
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Often times the bible is just not the way we would write it. It would seem more logical that Adam and Eve were not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of evil. The tree gave them the knowledge of both good and evil, which they did not have until they ate from the forbidden fruit. This is not really all that hard to understand, until they experienced disobedience to God they never knew that there was good and evil. The word "good" just meant functional, they did not know anything about the reality of functional and nonfunctional...they were just innocent people that were living a life that had all their needs met and they knew God, since they had no knowledge of anything beyond that they therefore had no understanding that there was anything else. Like a baby in the womb of it's mother, it does not know good or evil, it just knows that it is alive.
Hi Samuel.
You are assuming that they didn't know anything.
Adam didn't have all his needs met. Adam was a gardener. He provided food for himself. You have to have some knowledge to be a gardener. I know first hand as I learned to plant a small crop along with some fruit trees.
Also, Adam named all of the animals. It's not only logical that he had knowledge, the Genesis account tells us Adam was a smart cookie.
Adam got to walk and talk with God. Do you think that God didn't teach him anything? Just the fact that he said not to eat of the tree on knowledge of good and evil, God imparted a command to them.
Adam and Eve were in the womb when God planned how He would create them and what their function would be and who they would be in relationship to Him.
Once created, they became an alive, human being. Genesis 7:Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
You are assuming that they didn't know anything.
Adam didn't have all his needs met. Adam was a gardener. He provided food for himself. You have to have some knowledge to be a gardener. I know first hand as I learned to plant a small crop along with some fruit trees.
Also, Adam named all of the animals. It's not only logical that he had knowledge, the Genesis account tells us Adam was a smart cookie.
Adam got to walk and talk with God. Do you think that God didn't teach him anything? Just the fact that he said not to eat of the tree on knowledge of good and evil, God imparted a command to them.
Adam and Eve were in the womb when God planned how He would create them and what their function would be and who they would be in relationship to Him.
Once created, they became an alive, human being. Genesis 7:Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Hi DR: I never said that Adam and Eve did not know anything, I said that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil. All of Adam's needs were met, even his need to have a productive activity. Adam and Eve were active people in a setting created by God Himself, however they did not have knowledge of good and evil...just knowledge of the life that God gave them.
Okay, I think I see what you're saying. I thought you were saying they didn't know good at all.
I would agree they didn't know the worldly kind of good and evil because all they knew was God's goodness.
It took them eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to know the good and evil that the world offers. Because the good of the tree of good and evil is not the good that they knew. So if that's what you're saying, I would agree. But it seemed like earlier you weren't agreeing with that.
I would agree they didn't know the worldly kind of good and evil because all they knew was God's goodness.
It took them eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to know the good and evil that the world offers. Because the good of the tree of good and evil is not the good that they knew. So if that's what you're saying, I would agree. But it seemed like earlier you weren't agreeing with that.
YES,YES,YES, they really did not know good and evil because they had no way of comparison. It is interesting that the tree gave knowledge of good and evil together, rather then just the knowledge of evil. After eating they clearly knew good and evil, before eating they did not know good and evil. Good and evil being taken together as something to know or not know.
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but I think disconnection and doing it our own way was on that tree. Think about in our own relationships how we seldom seek clarity on things but go with our emotional reaction to something. Adam and Eve could have said to the serpent. Hey....I'll get back with you tomorrow on that....we need to have a conversation with God about this before we make a choice on how we proceed. It was the original seed of doubt.
We are off in never never land here. But we can make educated guesses.
I think you could say that. He was supposed to be the head, the spiritual leader. And on the other hand, he ate and figured he could work his and his wifes way out of the jamb they were in(imagine a man doing that!)
So a guy could feasibly say he was passive in areas, but willing to go to the grave with his wife.
Just imagine Sirk. ONE sin, and confusion reigns on all sides. And God has em all figured out and straightened out. It's utterly inconceivable. We could feasibly talk about Adam and Eve the rest of our lives and the consequence of that ONE sin in their life and not cover all the bases.
I think you could say that. He was supposed to be the head, the spiritual leader. And on the other hand, he ate and figured he could work his and his wifes way out of the jamb they were in(imagine a man doing that!)
So a guy could feasibly say he was passive in areas, but willing to go to the grave with his wife.
Just imagine Sirk. ONE sin, and confusion reigns on all sides. And God has em all figured out and straightened out. It's utterly inconceivable. We could feasibly talk about Adam and Eve the rest of our lives and the consequence of that ONE sin in their life and not cover all the bases.