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    Default Tree of good and evil.

    1.What was the good on that tree?

    2.What was the evil on that tree?


    I will give a little of what I think.......Sin wasn't on that tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsblind View Post
    1.What was the good on that tree?

    2.What was the evil on that tree?


    I will give a little of what I think.......Sin wasn't on that tree.
    Good knowledge.
    Evil knowledge.
    Ezekiel 18:23 Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?

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    The law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is trying to be like God by doing good and not doing evil. We try to do "good things" and not do "evil things" by our own will-power. We are trying to be like God without depending on the tree of Life which is Christ Himself.

    The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a belief that I can have the life of God by my own ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsblind View Post
    1.What was the good on that tree?

    2.What was the evil on that tree?


    I will give a little of what I think.......Sin wasn't on that tree.
    God knows good and evil by how it relates to Himself. The choice to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil resulted in man now being his own reference point. Man would now "know", determine, good and evil by relating everything to himself. We can all see how well that has worked out.

    “How foolish can you be? After starting your new lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?”
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    Think of Tarzan. Could he sin? If you don't know good and evil you can't sin. Eating the fruit was doing something we know is wrong/evil. Then we experience the knowledge of evil, guilt.

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    Choice......

    Good<--if they chose not to eat
    Evil<--if they chose to eat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungry View Post
    Think of Tarzan. Could he sin? If you don't know good and evil you can't sin. Eating the fruit was doing something we know is wrong/evil. Then we experience the knowledge of evil, guilt.
    Call me kind of dumb, but if I remember correctly, God told Adam and Eve NOT to partake from this particular tree? And they did so anyway......they knew what was right and what was wrong, but chose to do what is wrong. Saying they just "didnt know" is garbage. This is what a lot of people do to make excuses to justify their sins and say they dont know any better is ludicrous. Sin is sin PERIOD!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Choice......

    Good<--if they chose not to eat
    Evil<--if they chose to eat
    Now this comes really close to how I see it.

    The Good.....is divine good, Gods way. Perfect Good.

    The Evil.....Human good. imperfect good, or evil.

    New American Standard Bible
    But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice(Denotes constant training/lots of practice) have their senses trained to discern good(divine good) and evil (human good done in the power of the flesh).

    It is basically easy for us to discern sin(don't eat the fruit). But it takes the meat of the word and constant practice for us to discern our good(evil) from divine Good.
    Last edited by wsblind; March 15th, 2017 at 11:32 AM.
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    The tree of knowing good and evil was intended to be a sacrament. They saw the tree and knew that it declared God's sovereignty. They could eat of any other tree in the Garden. This one alone was reserved for God. Thus were they reminded of all God's goodness to them, and of His right to say them nay.

    It resulted in experimentally knowing good and evil because when they ate for the first time they 'knew evil'. Previously they had only 'known' good. but once they 'knew evil' they were captive to it.
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    You could really get out there with this one. Since Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good or evil, how could they know that it would be evil to disobey God? They did not know good and evil as we do. They knew that they were alive and God had told them that they would cease to live if they ate from the tree, however they did not know good and evil. Eve did not know that the Serpent was evil, only that he contradicted God. Was contradicting God evil, not to Eve because she did not know good and evil, only that the serpent contradicted God(how would Eve know that was evil?). This could get deep...probably best left alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsblind View Post
    Now this comes really close to how I see it.

    The Good.....is divine good, Gods way. Perfect Good.

    The Evil.....Human good. imperfect good, or evil.

    New American Standard Bible
    But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice(Denotes constant training/lots of practice) have their senses trained to discern good(divine good) and evil (human good done in the power of the flesh).

    It is basically easy for us to discern sin(don't eat the fruit). But it takes the meat of the word and constant practice for us to discern our good(evil) from divine Good.
    The bible speaks to the simplicity that is found in Christ....to me the answer was as simple as it gets.....the bible is made to be understood....even a child has the ability to understand the simple truths found therein....obviously there are deeper truths to be found....but for sure...much of it can be boiled down to just simple, easily understood truth.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsblind View Post
    Now this comes really close to how I see it.

    The Good.....is divine good, Gods way. Perfect Good.

    The Evil.....Human good. imperfect good, or evil.

    New American Standard Bible
    But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice(Denotes constant training/lots of practice) have their senses trained to discern good(divine good) and evil (human good done in the power of the flesh).

    It is basically easy for us to discern sin. But it takes the meat of the word and constant practice for us to discern our good(evil) from divine Good.
    Amen....the Greek word for "evil" here is worthless, useless or ineffective.

    The word of righteousness talked about in Hebrews 5:13-14 is the dividing line between knowing that we are relying on Christ's righteousness or our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness.

    Those that are established in the righteousness of Christ are the mature ones - not those that go to church everyday, can quote 1/2 NT, pray in tongues 5 hours a day, can read Greek and Hebrew, pastor a church or have been a Christian for 60 years. ( These are good things but not a sign of maturity in Christ )

    Also their behavior towards others in the body of Christ is another sign of a baby Christian as 1 Peter 2:1-2 shows. They behavior is filled with malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ - especially of those that believe differently on a subject than they do.

    Being established in Christ's righteousness stops this behavior of the works of the flesh from doing "it's" desires. When we "awake to righteousness" - we start to grow up in the Lord.

    Hebrews 5:13-14 (NASB)
    13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

    14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

    Christ's righteousness is the tree of Life and our own attempts of righteousness are from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We can try to be righteous by "what we do or don't do". This is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    The mature person in Christ can discern the difference between these two "trees".

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    You could really get out there with this one. Since Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good or evil, how could they know that it would be evil to disobey God? They did not know good and evil as we do. They knew that they were alive and God had told them that they would cease to live if they ate from the tree, however they did not know good and evil. Eve did not know that the Serpent was evil, only that he contradicted God. Was contradicting God evil, not to Eve because she did not know good and evil, only that the serpent contradicted God(how would Eve know that was evil?). This could get deep...probably best left alone.
    What is the difference between sin and evil?

    All sin is evil, but not all evil is sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    You could really get out there with this one. Since Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good or evil, how could they know that it would be evil to disobey God?
    They knew (oida) what evil was. It was to disobey God. The difference was that they now 'knew by experience' (ginosko) what evil was.


    They did not know good and evil as we do.
    They did not know by experience before they experienced it. But they knew what evil was.,

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    [for me anyway] sin is evil. As for the tree which bears both types of fruit, just look at the man made tree of knowledge, namely the internet, and we can behold how such a tree is; few there be that seek the good in a fallen world.
    And they went out and preached that men should repent.
    (Mark 6:12)
    For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. (Luke 22:27)

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    Hi Val, to claim that Adam and Eve knew what evil was is to contradict the word of God, the bible is clear that Adam and Eve did not know good or evil, they were in a state of total innocence. They understood that God told them not to eat from a particular tree and the consequences of eating from that tree, however the bible is clear, they did not know good and evil...I thought that was obvious from the story?

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    Hi WSB, You say, not all evil is sin...could you give an example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    Since Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good or evil, ...
    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    ... the bible is clear that Adam and Eve did not know good or evil...
    I wonder you can repeatedly say Adam and Eve knew not good when they walked and talked with the epitome and author of goodness. Better to say that good was all they knew, for they were in God's creation, and He had proclaimed it good, good, and after woman was created, very good


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    I didn't create the idea that Adam and Eve ,knew not good or evil, I just pointed out what is written in context in the word of God. Genesis 2:17 of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat. It is obvious that eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, would cause them to acquire the knowledge of good and evil. And since they could not acquire what they already had, it is safe to say that Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of good and evil until they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 3:22 the man HAS BECOME as one of us, to know good and evil. If the man BECAME like God in the sense of now knowing good and evil, it is apparent that before eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they did not know good and evil. It may seem unreasonable to say they did not know good when everything was good, however they did not know good and evil, they had no yardstick of comparison to know this is good as compared to that that is evil...they were just totally innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsblind View Post
    1.What was the good on that tree?

    2.What was the evil on that tree?


    I will give a little of what I think.......Sin wasn't on that tree.
    If part of the tree had tangerines - that was the good.
    If the other part was olives - that was the evil.
    (Little humor. I hope this doesn't belittle or take your question off track. I like many of the responses.
    Let me know if I shouldn't post such things.)

    When we sin, our "eyes are opened". Guilt. God created us that way. So Adam and Eve knew Evil. They felt it. They knew Good in a different way than previous to their eating. See the result of their eating. They tried to hide from God. Guilt. They wished they hadn't eaten. They knew how good Good was. Too late after they ate, though.

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