Where does Antichrist come from

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[h=2]Where does Antichrist come from[/h]
Is he the Muslim Mahdi that rules in the Middle East and finds favor with sympathetic Western nations? Is it a Western leader that rules the EU, US and attacks the Middle East for more control? Who is he and where does he come from? The West or the East? Does America succumb to him and the mark of the beast?​
Hi summerseason900. People came up with the notion that there would be a single very charismatic person whom they call 'the antiChrist' who would contol things in an evil way for a while. They got this notion in part because of a verse that mentions 'the man of sin' whom they consider to be the same as 'the antiChrist'. However, the term 'man of sin' is a collective term. During the church age, the body of Christ was being built up into 'the perfect man' by God. Christ is the head and the members of the body of Christ are the toes, feet, legs, and so forth. All are a part of the perfect man that God is building. However, when the congregations of the church age fall away from the true gospel, they become collectively what the Bible calls 'the man of sin'. At that time, only the unsaved remain in the congregations and hold sway there. You would not be able to go find a single human being man and say, "There he is, the man of sin. He was born in Ankora, Italy on March 4, 2015", or something like that. Rather, the congregations themselves would be called the man of sin, because they would not be in the Lord any longer. Satan would be the spirit that would hold sway there. The term 'antiChrist' is used in the Bible to describe any of many individuals who are against Christ. This again is not a single individual although the spirit behind it would be Satan.
 
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Is he the Muslim Mahdi that rules in the Middle East and finds favor with sympathetic Western nations? Is it a Western leader that rules the EU, US and attacks the Middle East for more control? Who is he and where does he come from? The West or the East? Does America succumb to him and the mark of the beast?
Some people believe that there is no antichrist to come,but there will be a leader,the 8th king,the little horn,the man of sin,the beast,that will deceive all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,which then repentance is no longer available to the world,and God can end this sin business on earth,which God will let them give up on Him.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Antichrist is to come,but that spirit was already working from the beginning of the Church.

Some people believe that all prophesy happened in the first century concerning the Roman Empire,and the overthrow of Jerusalem,but this is not true.

God said He will gather all nations together against Jerusalem,the whole earth shall be gathered against her(Zechariah 12:1-3,Zechariah 14,Joel 3).

The beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,the whole world,and all who dwell on earth shall worship the beast who is not with Christ(Revelation 13).

Jesus said the saints shall be hated among all nations,and the Gospel must be preached in to all the world,then the end shall come,and told them of things that will happen on earth that can only be known if the saints can observe the world by advanced travel,and technology(Matthew 24).

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

When the saints get to the end time they will understand for they can view what the world is doing,which Jesus told the disciples of things that will happen on different places on earth that they can only know if they can observe the world.

The Bible says that when God gathers the world together,all nations,and they go against Jerusalem,that He will go forth and fight those nations,and when He comes back all the saints are with Him,so if all the saints are with Him then they would all have to off this earth to come back with Him,but in the first century there were saints on earth when the Roman Empire overthrew Jerusalem in the first century.

For this is an entirely different battle that is a future battle,and the time God will end this sin business on earth,and restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews.

Those things did not happen in the first century,the saints being hated by all nations,the Gospel being proclaimed throughout all the world,the saints being able to see things on earth that cannot be known without technology to observe the world,God gathering all nations together,and other things,which even a person that does not believe the Bible can see that.

There are many things on this earth that happen,or are,and people cannot figure it out,and say,it is an unsolved mystery,but the biggest unsolved mystery that has ever plagued mankind,is people that ignore scriptures that plainly state something and they say it does not mean that,when it is obvious what it means.

When God fights the world,and puts them down,then the LORD shall be king over all the earth,and in that day there shall be one LORD,and His name one,and the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD,and Jesus and the saints will rule over the people that are left that went against Israel,and they have to go up year after year to worship the LORD at Jerusalem(Zechariah 14).

People will not fight with people,and animals will not fight with animals,and people and animals will not eat animals,and animals and people will not fight with each other,and a little child can lead a crocodile in that day(Isaiah 11:1-9).

The antichrist is to come,and God is allowing Him to deceive all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so God can put an end to sin that people do.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The people who overthrew Jerusalem in 70 A.D. is the Roman Empire,and the prince to come,the antichrist,will be from them,so the antichrist is from the Roman Empire.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that would arise one after another,Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,the Roman Empire.

The first 3 kingdoms will never have dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,which Babylon represents human religion,Medo-Persia,human cruelty,Greece,human wisdom,Roman Empire,world domination,and they all show up at the beast kingdom with the Roman Empire with the physical dominion,with the ways of the other 3 kingdoms,and the reference to Babylon in Revelation is in spirit,for she represents the kingdom of man,and human religion,the occult,which is what the beast kingdom is about for they do not acknowledge a personal God.

It is the spirit of Babylon,and not physical Babylon,for she is responsible for all the slain upon the earth,which physical Babylon could not be,and Babylon represents the kingdom of man,so a person either belongs to the kingdom of God,or Babylon,the kingdom of man,and that is why she is responsible for all the slain on earth,because all the wicked belong to Babylon throughout history.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until Jesus puts them down,so they have the dominion in the beast kingdom,although it is all nations together,and they shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,something the first century Roman Empire could never do,for it was impossible,and nobody ever had control of the whole earth until the future beast kingdom.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,and ten horns come from them,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the little horn,the antichrist comes from the ten horns,so the antichrist is from the Roman Empire.

The antichrist.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

The beast kingdom is a future kingdom,and the time for God to put down the wicked on the entire planet.

I showed my three year old niece the scripture about the beast having power over all nations,not a few,but all,over all kindreds,not a few,but all,and over all tongues,not a few,but all,the whole earth,and she said,that means the whole earth,and I said good girl you see that,and it amazes me how people that claim the Bible is truth as a whole can place it in the first century,along with many other scriptures that cannot be placed in the first century,for it is not possible.

Of course I am joking about my 3 year old niece,but it is strange how people ignore scriptures that are plain to see what they refer to.It is the biggest unsolved mystery ever to plague mankind.

Scientists are confounded.Great mathematicians say,it does not add up,2+2=4,but they say,2+2=3,or 2+2=5.Computer geniuses say,it does not compute,children are crying,and dogs are howling,because they cannot figure out how the Bible can state something obvious,and they say,it is not so,which the Bible is the most wrongly interpreted book ever.More people misinterpret it,drag biases in to it,white supremists interpret as such,black supremists interpret it as such,occultists interpret it as such,other religions interpretating it according to their religions,the Roman Empire not letting go of their religious ways,and dragged it in to the Bible,and it became their foundation for interpreting scriptures,same with Jospeh Smith,and others,having a belief that is not part of the Bible,and dragging it in to the Bible,and it becomes their foundation for interpreting scriptures,and all the different denominations saying this and that.The most wrongly interpreted book ever.

They say do not even attempt to understand this great unsolved mystery,lest you want to get ill,frail,and institutionalized.They say there is not enough brain cells in the brain to even scratch the surface of trying to understand this mystery.It has brought the strongest men to their knees,and the greatest minds to madness.
 
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"Where does Antichrist come from"

Revelation 13:11
"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon"


Operative Word here is Beast.

In other words... NOT HUMAN.

Please don't marginalize Jesus by comparing the Antichrist to a Human.

It's quite insulting really.

:mad:
 

iamsoandso

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Is he the Muslim Mahdi that rules in the Middle East and finds favor with sympathetic Western nations? Is it a Western leader that rules the EU, US and attacks the Middle East for more control? Who is he and where does he come from? The West or the East? Does America succumb to him and the mark of the beast?

Jerusalem is/was trampled under foot until the times of the gentiles were/are fulfilled,Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25.

So this man of sin that comes is he one of the gentile rulers that rule/ruled and then the times are full and after that a Jewish man rules Jerusalem or does the gentiles rule and then when their time is fulfilled a Jewish man rise to power and rule and he is the man of sin?
 
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antichrist is what John termed the spirit manifest in all that exhausts itself against the knowledge of Christ. Paul used the term "mystery of iniquity" which already doeth work he said...It's been alive and active here for 2000 years
 

iamsoandso

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lol, I bet Obama was in cahoots with Putin and the spy-ship off the coast is tapping all the phones at the trump towers.
 

Locutus

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Hopefully Trump will be the last....:p

No such thing as THE "anti-christ"... another "Christian" myth.
 

iamsoandso

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I always liked the part where John writes John 1,2,3, and speaks of the Antichrist as if he knows who he is and then the angel explains to John years later in Revelation 17 the mystery of the beast as if he didn’t already know.
 

Rondonmon

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"Where does Antichrist come from"

Revelation 13:11
"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon"


Operative Word here is Beast.

In other words... NOT HUMAN.

Please don't marginalize Jesus by comparing the Antichrist to a Human.

It's quite insulting really.

:mad:
Hello base12....The word Beast doesn't mean inhuman. It stands for Kingdoms in Daniel that conquered Israel. We had the Lion. Bear, Leopard and Fierce Beast (Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome) The Seven headed Beast that arises out of the Sea incorporates all Seven. Egypt and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel before Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

The Last Beast is a MAN, the Little Horn of Daniel 7 & 8, it says he has a mouth and eyes and blasphemes God. Revelation 13 says he is given a mouth, the other six beasts were Kingdoms, this last Beast will give the Seven headed Beast a mouth to speak blasphemies against God. Meaning he is a MAN.

The 8th King of Rev. 17 is called a Beast, he is a Demon that comes out of the pit, and it says he is of the Seven, meaning his job is to command people to Destroy Israel, he was in command, spiritually of all Seven Kingdoms. Just like Jesus is our Lord and King. This kind of confuses many into thinking the Beast is a demon entity, but there is only Seven Heads, not 8, the 8th King is just over the Seven. If that makes sense.
 

JaumeJ

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Antichrist is a spirit as well as a sometime reference to the Beast. The spirit of Ac was among the congregations at the time of Paul. There are many antichrist's but only one Beast. Understand there are those with that spirit who come hinto this forum. Of course all who believe Jesus Christ already have suspected this for some time.
 

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Is he the Muslim Mahdi that rules in the Middle East and finds favor with sympathetic Western nations? Is it a Western leader that rules the EU, US and attacks the Middle East for more control? Who is he and where does he come from? The West or the East? Does America succumb to him and the mark of the beast?
!!!Pliease READ TO THE END!!!! For you to know prophesy you first have to know history.Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. ...we all know who tried to change the sequence of the week i.e making sunday the last day of the week... We all know who persecuted christians for 1260 years( you can check Pope Francis apolology) ..Daniel is told to close up the book because the things which he was shown was to take place during the last days..Dan 12:9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end....However John is shown this things again and he says..Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus....meaning he was talking about what will happen during the last days.Rev 13:5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months(one prophetic days is equal to one year). Now popery does not rule anymore because he was wounded...but john says that his wound is going to be healed again..Rev 13:12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed( the beast from the earth) ....now if the waters from the bible represent multitudes of people then it point out that the earth is country where it was not formerly occupied ans there is one country on earth whom we all know...so popery will re-emerge again which definately the antichrist
 

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I have always believed the Beast will be an Hebrew, and all will transpire with him from Israel.

How can any of th eprophesies be fulfilled without the Jerusalem of this age being directly involved?
 

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I have always believed the Beast will be an Hebrew, and all will transpire with him from Israel.

How can any of th eprophesies be fulfilled without the Jerusalem of this age being directly involved?
QUOTE=summerseason900;3015034]Is he the Muslim Mahdi that rules in the Middle East and finds favor with sympathetic Western nations? Is it a Western leader that rules the EU, US and attacks the Middle East for more control? Who is he and where does he come from? The West or the East? Does America succumb to him and the mark of the beast?[/QUOTE]

!!!Pliease READ TO THE END!!!! For you to know prophesy you first have to know history.Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. ...we all know who tried to change the sequence of the week i.e making sunday the last day of the week... We all know who persecuted christians for 1260 years( you can check Pope Francis apolology) ..Daniel is told to close up the book because the things which he was shown was to take place during the last days..Dan 12:9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end....However John is shown this things again and he says..Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus....meaning he was talking about what will happen during the last days.Rev 13:5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months(one prophetic days is equal to one year). Now popery does not rule anymore because he was wounded...but john says that his wound is going to be healed again..Rev 13:12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed( the beast from the earth) ....now if the waters from the bible represent multitudes of people then it point out that the earth is country where it was not formerly occupied ans there is one country on earth whom we all know...so popery will re-emerge again which definately the antichrist....Jerusalem lost ot meaning long time ago
 

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!!!Pliease READ TO THE END!!!! For you to know prophesy you first have to know history.Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. ...we all know who tried to change the sequence of the week i.e making sunday the last day of the week... We all know who persecuted christians for 1260 years( you can check Pope Francis apolology)
The RCC is not the Beast nor is any Islamic man. These claims are just that, claims by men, but not scriptural. The first day of the week is Sunday, the day our Lord was Raised, the Sabbath day is Saturday, but in Christ every day is Holy, we REST in him every day. The only reason we worship on Sunday is to recognize the Sacrifice Jesus made by glorying in his Resurrection. We also go to Church on Wed. but no one says the Sabbath is Wed. or Sunday. We don't need a Sabbath, Jesus is our Sabbath. As for the Anti-Christ changing the times and Laws, I think this means, not positive, just an opinion, he will do away with the A.D. in the Year of our Lord part of the date. He will also change Laws to do what? He will MANDATE that all people worship him as GOD!!!

The 1260 Days is the period of time that God protects Israel in the Wilderness, every time days are mentioned it doesn't Auto change into years. From the point in time this 1260 Days is mentioned, there will not be but 3 1/2 years left until Jesus returns, so the 1260 Days means 3 1/2 years.
 

Adstar

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This is along the right lines except I believe the wars between the Ptolomies and Selucids resulted in a winner already in the king of the NORTH and the AC (so called) will come from the area conquered by the King of the NORTH....

North West Iraq
North East Syria
South East Turkey

I do believe he will be Islamic in scope....the current Pope has sought to reunite with the Greek Pope (this unifies Western and Eastern religion (Christianity so called) and the last three Western Popes have bowed to and kissed the KORAN placing themselves under the banner of Islam...if but symbolically at the moment...

The beast will scrutinize a god that his fathers did not KNOW (ISLAM comes from Arabs who came from Ishmael ultimately as SON of Abraham and tied to Isaac and Jacob) He will acknowledge that god, promote that god and increase that god.......
I believe the Anti-Christ must decieve the Jews of Israel into thinking that he is the promised Messiah finally returned.. I think the Anti-christ great deception will be to the Christians that He is the returned Jesus and to the Jews the Messiah.. And one sure way of winning over the Jews is to come in as a hero warrior and destroy the Arab nation.. I do not see how a muslim could fool Jews and Christians into thinking that he was the Messiah Jesus.. The Anti-christ is going to fool most of the world for a time.. The muslims and islam are becoming the most hated people in the world.. Even with all the political correctness propoganda pushed by the leftist liberal elites of the west most common people in the west hate islam and the same goes for Indians and even chinese...

In Ezekiel 32 from verse 17 onward we read of a lot of nations slain by the sword and their multitudes going down to the pit.. This has not happened yet.. It is something that the Anti-christ might do while leading his army against the King of the south whom the muslims will believe is the Mahdi... I suspect that satan sent a fallen angel to muhammad to decieve him and his people who had already rejected the Gospel to set them up with the religion of islam as pawns as a fall guy people conditioned to play the part of the bad guys that he would smite and thus be seen as the good guy...
 

JaumeJ

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That spirit of the antichrist is clearly in the world operating openly. When leaders lie lies that are obvious and the masses believe the lies..........that is the spirit of the antichrist at work.

They even say about some politicians already, "Who is like he?" Yes, just open your eyes and listen...
 
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"Where does Antichrist come from"

Revelation 13:11
"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon"


Operative Word here is Beast.

In other words... NOT HUMAN.

Please don't marginalize Jesus by comparing the Antichrist to a Human.

It's quite insulting really.

:mad:

We should let the scriptures, God’s living Word define the words and phrases if we are to hear God aright.

The number used as a metaphor to represent all of those who die in Adam ,as the generation of the beast( natural unconverted man) is 666. Thirteen would describe Satan who has no form

Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

This is not in reference to the generation of Christ who have been given a new spirit that will never die and therefore a new soul by which we can believe God, who was not made from the dust. He is not a man as us

This includes man who was formed from the dust of the field. Satan the father of lies has no form he needs a beast (Human) as an outward form in order to work out his plan of denying Christ .

Satan the god of this world was not created from the dust of the field but as a unseen messenger who in false pride fell .

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof .And Adam (as a beast of the field) gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam (a beast of the field) there was not found an help meet for him. Genesis 2:20

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field (Satan who has no form is not a beast of the field) which the LORD God had made. And he said (through a beast of the field, a serpent) unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

The new testament repeats that principle which includes man as a beast of the field.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and foufooted beasts, and creeping things.Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served "the creature" (the beast, himself ) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.Rom 1:25

God who has no form just as his angels who have no form .He did not desire that man as a beast of the field would learn by experience what it meant to be separate from God who has no form .So God being faithful to His word corrupted the whole creation, aging, leading towards death and destruction of their bodies of death (bodies of flesh and blood). Flesh and blood could never enter heaven.
What we see is not what we will receive what we will be is not reveled. It is why Christ spoke in parables and without parables the Word of God speaks not. It is His design to hide the spiritual, not seen meaning from the beast.(natural man) but has revealed it to those(a kingdom of priests, all believers ) who have passed from eternal damnation (death) , never to rise to new spirt life... to eternal spirit life.(resurrected)to new spirit life in our new bodies that will never die or grow old.
 
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A lot of ideas. Someone said that John said that the spirit of AC has always been here, leaving the impression that there is not really going to be an AC. BEFORE John made that statement, he made the declaration that THE ANTICHRIST COMES. The bible is overwhelmingly clear that before the church goes out, an individual will appear who will seek to destroy the people of God and that he reigns for three and one half years. His power will be mighty but not of his own, and the 8th is of the 7 and goes into destruction, leaves the impression that the AC will actually be an evil spirit being who overshadows a man. The movie by Paul crouch, THE BEAST, had that part down pretty good. The actual AC is at this time restrained in a prison for spirits and when Jesus opens the first seal then he will be released to go forth to conquer the world...then war, famine, disease, natural disasters, then the great persecution(tribulation), then Jesus returns to gather the church and pay back those that are doing evil.
 
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I always liked the part where John writes John 1,2,3, and speaks of the Antichrist as if he knows who he is and then the angel explains to John years later in Revelation 17 the mystery of the beast as if he didn’t already know.
The word of God makes that mystery known. Remember when Christ asked the name as to the authority, he replied Legion, as many.

Scripture uses the antichrist, singular, and antichrists plural, as many. They work together as if it was all one work.

In 1 John the Spirit of Christ reveals the nature of the antichrist (Satan)as well as the antichrists (followers) many.

They went out from us because God sent them a strong delusion to believe the lie they believed that we do need men as an outward form to teach us .It is the antichrist’s (one) method of operation as the wrath of God that is being revealed from heaven daily. The warning is that we do not need men (antichrists men) influenced by the antichrist (Satan, one) to teach us as those who have not went out from us, as Christ defines the true us..

Again because they have went out from us this proves that God has set a strong delusion needed to believe the lie .

To those who do not go out from us he calls back to repentance turning us so that we can repent when we do deny Him .

The best example of the antichrist(Satan) working to deceive the us is found in Mathew 16. This is when Peter was enticed by the father of lies, Satan (the antichrist singular) who succeeded in rebuking Christ making Christ to be the liar. .

Then Peter took
him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: "thou art an offence unto me": for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mathew 16:22-24

Most people from my experience would never want to believe they could be used as one the many antichrists that have been deceived . It is why we are informed that although we can and do deny Christ in unbelief (no faith) He cannot deny He has paid the full wage of sin, eternal damnation.

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 2Timothy 2:13

As believers, it’s a gracious thing of great mercy that God does do the work of turning us towards Him then after being turned we can repent. Unlike the unbelievers that went out from us... he sends them the strong delusion needed to believe the father of lies.,the antichrist.