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    I sound defeated? (Why do I always sound defeated to everyone? lol)

    I'm not defeated. I'm the Energizer Bunny, but God is my battery. I can't work either -- bad back. (Originally caused by that gallbladder surgery already mentioned.) I can't even lean over for more than 5 second at once without ending up in more pain in a day or two, and yet I'm there when hubby needs me to be.

    I was there when he needed me to be and he was stuck in a hospital or rehab center for 7 months. I was there to nag the doctors/nurses, and clarify what was (and wasn't) wrong. I was there to do the shopping, to keep the house going, and even tackled annoying appliances and vehicles that picked that moment not to work properly. I cleaned out the front porch despite the bad back. I got to all my doctor's appointment and accept a barrage of crap from one doctor who told me I was lying about my husband (because he can't be on three blood thinners at once -- and yet was -- and because I couldn't possibly do what I did with a bad back -- but did.)

    I have a small garden in the back. I can get my laundry done, and I can pull a freaking wheelchair in and out of a Saturn trunk, because God is my battery, and I'm the Energizer Bunny.

    What I cannot do, under my infernal desire to lead, was to get hubby to the point of having his Christmas a month later on his birthday (because he got a contagious infection so couldn't have new objects brought into his room), could not have him with another group of patients for the Super Bowl, (same reason), could not get him home in time to supervise me on what goes where in that garden, (because he was still in the nursing home at planting season), and things like that. (I had a list of five things I wanted him to do by a given date, and five out of five he couldn't do by that date. lol)

    And I'm not sitting here feeling sorry for myself because of the stuff that happens even as a daughter of God. I'm here telling you to trust God more and STOP trusting yourself, because "we lead ourselves" never works out. I'm here praying for three friends who are face-to-face fighting against cancer. I'm here to answer questions, if I know the answers. And, I'm here witnessing about God's ability.

    On the side, I've not been able to work, so I have a life. I've written a novel, I hope to sell, and if God is willing and it sells -- it sells well -- them maybe he'll give me the same ability and more to write the next six books in that series. And maybe, God willing, (because in the last year, he obviously wasn't willing, but he's the one doing the leading, so I follow), I will have time to write all those books. If not, well, hubby still needs me, and God still needs me, and my friends still need me, so I AM doing what God is telling me to do by leading me where I don't want to go (because I did not want to go to being disabled, and I really did not want hubby to go that way either, but it looks like he's leaving before me. I could be wrong, because it's foggy, but God is still leading both of us), and following has taken a great deal of training that God has given me throughout my life to learn -- the hard way.

    Forever circling and forever smashing into a brick wall has left me tired of trying to believe this junk -- "God always encourages us to believe in ourselves"? God has never encouraged us to believe in ourselves. He discourages it, because we fail whenever we believe in self. He encourages "Trust God."

    "Believe in ourselves" is New Age, not God.
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    depleted...I didn't mean to call you defeated..... I actually believe in you...I believe you are a lead even you don't think so... I believe you don't give yourself enough credit for all you've done....and all that you've done makes you stronger than the person who's done nothing....the people who are follower...refuse to take responsibility for their action.... one day all Christians will come before God and have to take responsibility for their action... yes are sins are washed in the blood of Jesus

    but also romans 3:23 is our admittance to God that we're not perfect "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

    some Christians know that verse and yet will not take responsibility for their actions for we are not perfect nor am I ...and when I sin...I pray to God for forgiveness...and I take responsibility for my sins for I am not perfect... a leader will do this... I believe that you...depleted are a leader

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    The OP did say we need to learn of God before we can be leaders....so why are we concentrating on our own abilities ?
    What does it take to learn from God ? humility - humility and more humility - to put aside our own understanding....which of course is easier said than done !
    When Jesus pointed to a little child Mat 18v3 He said we have to become as one of them to enter the Kingdom. What did He mean ? to become teachable, obedient, trusting and dependent on GOD !

    Of course we know all that and still struggle....because we are not being taught by God. What day did God command his people to assemble before Him ? If we can't get that right WHO is teaching us - who do we hear ? what kind of leaders will that make us ? Mat 7v21,22,23, comes to mind, where are we being led ?
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    when the scripture talks about times in which "each man did what was right in his own eyes" it is not a good thing.

    isn't this a kind of "
    leading ourselves" ?

    yes, we should exercise self-control
    but Christ should be the head of every one of us, and following Him is often contrary to how we would lead ourselves.
    isn't it this denial of our own lives and our own sovereignty over ourselves that demonstrates His leadership within us?

    we're sheep, and sheep that lead themselves are said to "
    wander" - but we have a Shepherd, the Good One, who leads. even if another sheep, back of the line, follows the sheep in front of him - and they arrive at green pastures, it is the Shepherd who leads -- and no sheep should "take credit" for finding that good green grass. it is the Shepherd who has done this, yes, that same One that lives in us.

    Christ taught very clearly that we should consider ourselves as servants, merely doing our duty at our Masters bequest, not as lords and dames. to be called a leader? it makes post very afraid, and ashamed - any good thing you hear from me, did not come from me, but from the One who led me, and put the word in my mouth to speak it.




    apologies if this is wildly misinterpreting the OP's intent.
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    I see I might have to be blunt to convey what I believe to be 'amiss with the sheep who follow Jesus.
    Why are they not following Him 24/7 ? Why are they going their own way come the weekend Sat/Sun ?
    Do they not hear the voice of the shepherd or follow Him only ?
    It is obvious from scripture that they don't. They scatter abroad to hear various Preachers, each to their own liking....and that can't be right. God says HE will teach us !
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    depleted...I didn't mean to call you defeated..... I actually believe in you...I believe you are a lead even you don't think so... I believe you don't give yourself enough credit for all you've done....and all that you've done makes you stronger than the person who's done nothing....the people who are follower...refuse to take responsibility for their action.... one day all Christians will come before God and have to take responsibility for their action... yes are sins are washed in the blood of Jesus

    but also romans 3:23 is our admittance to God that we're not perfect "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

    some Christians know that verse and yet will not take responsibility for their actions for we are not perfect nor am I ...and when I sin...I pray to God for forgiveness...and I take responsibility for my sins for I am not perfect... a leader will do this... I believe that you...depleted are a leader
    Taking responsibility doesn't make us leaders or followers. When I was trained on a new job and failed (and failed and failed) I didn't hand that over to my boss. I owned it and then asked, "Where did I goof?" Asking that question didn't make me a leader.

    As for believers who won't own their sin? Obvious questions: Are they believers?

    That we fail directly points to our need for God.

    Maybe it's this "leader" thing getting in the way. I'm really not a leader. I say, "Come. Let us do this together." Everyone looks at me dumbfounded and walks away. My husband is a leader. He says the same thing, and everyone rolls up their sleeves.

    I don't know what the difference is other than he's a leader and I'm not. But I don't think this is about leadership then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beta View Post
    The OP did say we need to learn of God before we can be leaders....so why are we concentrating on our own abilities ?
    What does it take to learn from God ? humility - humility and more humility - to put aside our own understanding....which of course is easier said than done !
    When Jesus pointed to a little child Mat 18v3 He said we have to become as one of them to enter the Kingdom. What did He mean ? to become teachable, obedient, trusting and dependent on GOD !

    Of course we know all that and still struggle....because we are not being taught by God. What day did God command his people to assemble before Him ? If we can't get that right WHO is teaching us - who do we hear ? what kind of leaders will that make us ? Mat 7v21,22,23, comes to mind, where are we being led ?
    What day do we assemble before God? Isn't it every day?
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    I submit...before God...but never Satan...I follow Jesus for He is the greatest leader....all Christians follow Jesus....does that make us only followers.... I don't wish to push this issue any further because sooner or later... people on this site are going to say I am prideful....or.. I am conceded...high minded....because I choose to say we are all leaders... I am sorry if I have offended anyone... it was not my intention.... I merely spoke what was in my heart.... and truly I put my trust is in God as Proverbs 3:13 says... I trust God with my whole heart...and I will not lean to my own understandings...in all of my ways...I acknowledge God's way is the only way....so that He may direct my paths

    for those who don't agree with me...*** this is my last message on this topic***... but I know there is only one righteous Judge
    and that is neither me nor you...but Our Father wputhich art in Heaven.

    Mathew 7:1 ... Judge not and you will not be judged

    I serve God...I'm God's slave for I'd rather be in God's slave than doing my own will...and much worse to let Satan control me through sins...

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God

    I will forever deny myself, take up my cross and follow Jesus...for as I am a sinner... yet I am saved because Jesus Christ died for me and if He had not died for me and his blood had not washed away my sin...I should be dead to sin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by respectfully View Post
    I submit...before God...but never Satan...I follow Jesus for He is the greatest leader....all Christians follow Jesus....does that make us only followers.... I don't wish to push this issue any further because sooner or later... people on this site are going to say I am prideful....or.. I am conceded...high minded....because I choose to say we are all leaders... I am sorry if I have offended anyone... it was not my intention.... I merely spoke what was in my heart.... and truly I put my trust is in God as Proverbs 3:13 says... I trust God with my whole heart...and I will not lean to my own understandings...in all of my ways...I acknowledge God's way is the only way....so that He may direct my paths

    for those who don't agree with me...*** this is my last message on this topic***... but I know there is only one righteous Judge
    and that is neither me nor you...but Our Father wputhich art in Heaven.

    Mathew 7:1 ... Judge not and you will not be judged

    I serve God...I'm God's slave for I'd rather be in God's slave than doing my own will...and much worse to let Satan control me through sins...

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God

    I will forever deny myself, take up my cross and follow Jesus...for as I am a sinner... yet I am saved because Jesus Christ died for me and if He had not died for me and his blood had not washed away my sin...I should be dead to sin...
    Friend, you don't have to cut this short for me - you have not offended me, I agree with what you are saying, just focusing on the point of HOW to learn to follow Jesus in order to become a leader.
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    What day do we assemble before God? Isn't it every day?
    You did not quite answer my question which pointed to a 'commanded assembly where we are supposed to be instructed. I was not ref to daily personal 'praise and worship of God'.
    You have a scripture for daily assembling in church ?

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    I submit...before God...but never Satan...I follow Jesus for He is the greatest leader....all Christians follow Jesus....does that make us only followers.... I don't wish to push this issue any further because sooner or later... people on this site are going to say I am prideful....or.. I am conceded...high minded....because I choose to say we are all leaders... I am sorry if I have offended anyone... it was not my intention.... I merely spoke what was in my heart.... and truly I put my trust is in God as Proverbs 3:13 says... I trust God with my whole heart...and I will not lean to my own understandings...in all of my ways...I acknowledge God's way is the only way....so that He may direct my paths

    for those who don't agree with me...*** this is my last message on this topic***... but I know there is only one righteous Judge
    and that is neither me nor you...but Our Father wputhich art in Heaven.

    Mathew 7:1 ... Judge not and you will not be judged

    I serve God...I'm God's slave for I'd rather be in God's slave than doing my own will...and much worse to let Satan control me through sins...

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God

    I will forever deny myself, take up my cross and follow Jesus...for as I am a sinner... yet I am saved because Jesus Christ died for me and if He had not died for me and his blood had not washed away my sin...I should be dead to sin...
    It got down to "there is only one righteous judge," huh?

    To me that is the sign where a person says, "Only I know what the Bible says, and only I am right in telling others what it says." It is a closing remark that denotes, "I don't want to hear anything but what I want."

    The first post I noticed you wrote was about being respectful on this forum and complaining that everyone comes here to argue. You're not wrong. Most do, and when they're done they go with "there is only one righteous judge."

    I never agreed on if a believer needs to be a leader, because we don't "need" to be leaders. Not the same as saying no Christian should ever be a leader. So did we agree or disagree? I'll never know because you do what most do on here -- say what you want, and then don't hear what others have to say.

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    You did not quite answer my question which pointed to a 'commanded assembly where we are supposed to be instructed. I was not ref to daily personal 'praise and worship of God'.
    You have a scripture for daily assembling in church ?
    Actually, I didn't see you asking any question. I saw you talking about assembling (now "commanding") in a thread about leadership as if somehow it's related.

    Are you SDA? Because you really seem all about 1-of-10 commandments.
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    Actually, I didn't see you asking any question. I saw you talking about assembling (now "commanding") in a thread about leadership as if somehow it's related.

    Are you SDA? Because you really seem all about 1-of-10 commandments.
    No I am not SDA, but we are talking 'leadership - so it is inevitable we have to be trained for it, none of us are 'born leaders when it comes to upholding the Word of God. Jesus saw fit to train and instruct Disciples, so who else would we go to but to one who learnt from His Father - God ! Christians have the privilege of walking with Jesus 24/7 but they don't because they reject basic instruction. God is keen on a 'sound foundation...or we won't make it.

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    every true 'leader' is always a 'servant first and foremost and forever',
    because they have been taught that their future can only lie in Jesus Christ,
    their Master, The One Who served mankind with His Whole Heart...
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    It got down to "there is only one righteous judge," huh?

    To me that is the sign where a person says, "Only I know what the Bible says, and only I am right in telling others what it says." It is a closing remark that denotes, "I don't want to hear anything but what I want."

    The first post I noticed you wrote was about being respectful on this forum and complaining that everyone comes here to argue. You're not wrong. Most do, and when they're done they go with "there is only one righteous judge."

    I never agreed on if a believer needs to be a leader, because we don't "need" to be leaders. Not the same as saying no Christian should ever be a leader. So did we agree or disagree? I'll never know because you do what most do on here -- say what you want, and then don't hear what others have to say.

    Welcome to BDF.
    First off I don't know what BDF means and if it is negative I don't want to know...I am a Christian and I am trying very hard not to insult anyone or get angry in any way....so that's why I thought I'd stop writing in this subject....

    I don't know but I feel like I'm being provoked to keep going in this subject...it is not right to push some into arguing ... yes I said I don't like to argue...and if I argue... I gather someone is going to say I have contradicted my other message that I don't like arguing...so let me be clear.... I am a little irritated that I was "goated" to speak my mind when in reality I have freewill to be silent if I want...and if I argued and offended someone.. they'll say I'm judging? maybe? or if I say my opinion and now I'm the only one right and everyone's wrong?...okay I spoke that I submit to God and God only...not in the traditional sense of being defeated ... rather I choose to fall to the ground and my face to the floor if my God were to walk into the room... and even if I were right in anyway with you or any spiritual argument...I choose to say "I'm always wrong before God...and God is always right!!!! and if I'm wrong before God...yes I beg for forgiveness...and let not God turn me to dust for He is omnipotent!

    yet as you ask for my opinion I tell with one example...I still say we were born leaders....
    y
    why? one example... a child "follows" his parents rules to learn about life...at this point he or she is probably is not a leader but I could be wrong...and then he or she becomes an adult and has choices to make....

    he or she sets out to fulfill his or her destiny and starts...with....what college and where? or what job in what field and where? or after college -more college for MD/PHD then chooses stay where I'm at or advance in company or strive for ultimate job to reach a job that may seem impossible...all the while choosing a mate...kids? how many? marriage...?stay single?

    this is what I mean by a person being born to lead him or herself...whether he/she chooses to be a leader or a follower all his life is not the question....does he/she have the capability to be a leader? YES! if a man does less of these things and fails...should he still be called more of a leader than single mother who does all of this makes it to her life's fulfillment...and pushes past her potential.....I as a man say that "this" woman is more of a leader than me...but never more than God or Jesus Christ..Son of God

    okay now I hope I can stop writing on this subject because I feel that there are going to be heated debates and I don't want to be part the "arguing"

    ***respectfully

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    I didn't quote scriptures...

    philippeans 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me

    Matthew 17: 19 Then came his Deciiples to Jesus apart and said, Why could we not cast him out?(deliver a man of an evil spirit)
    20 And Jesus said unto them, because of your unbelief for verily I say unto you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed you shall say to this mountain, remove hence to yonder place, and it shall remove, and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
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    There are no 'heated debates - some are just not answering posts they find challenging....why ?
    because when got down to Basics they can see they would have to change....and maybe God is just not calling them.
    In any case - discussions do not need to get heated, if we keep our head and not let them get out of hand....so don't be afraid 'respectfully' and finish what you started.

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    first before I say my next message as beta has given me a new courage to do so...(and my not wanting to do so was because of negativity...and I accuse no one...I only forgive...for leader will stand by His opionion...and only back down when he knows he is wrong....but a true follower of Jesus will say sorry when He is wrong...did I confuse anyone? well I on the other hand will say sorry often and give credit where it's due "ALWAYS" for I am a humble person and I wasn't always this humble... in my young years God gave me a lot of wisdom...and I liked the attention that people gave me...but it wasn't until a few years ago that God took me...as a single person getting out of a bad situation...He pushed me lower than that to the point that God broke me so that He teach me His way....I had grudges against people who insulted me... no names but close to me... I didn't like people because they used me.... God had to intervene for I had realize that I was letting darkness come into my heart by having grudges (meaning evil) and more darkness for not like certain people ...God had to remind me you don't choose who you love...you love one another as I have loved you...He had to drill into me to love my enemies as hard as that was I learned to love from a distance having faith that God will see that I have no hate or grudges in me and he will see that I really want those people that despise me to love me again...

    God turned my life inside outl....I thought I was doing well always trying to help people...I came to realize we must always strive to reach for the starts and never be satisfied with where we are now...

    how does this relate to being a leader

    this is my testimony

    a leader is not afraid to admit his weaknesses...

    and why do say we were all born leaders (of ourselves especially) but reguardless a leader is a leader whether a small leader or a big leader... we are not leaders at birth...we are taught to be leaders....and yes I conclude that if it is possible that one person can be a leader... would God say only that person can be leader?

    if God wanted to he could

    but honestly are we supposed to think of ourselves as "small" or try to be as "big" as we can be?

    now take this poem and tell me what you think

    Dreams

    A person can only be as big as they dream
    by far they become as they perceive
    to themselves they may think they are small
    but somewhere lurks a destiny for them
    more so than it seems
    yet their biggest mistake
    is that they didn't believe
    in being more than they could be

    God gave us the gift of life...and He opens doors for us constantly ... do we go through those doors and accept the leadership He presents before us or do follow the world...a million ways to destruction

    we are born leader because God does not want us to follow the crowd...but that crowd may come to us and ask why are you different....and you shall witness right? it was a command from Jesus wasn't it?

    we were born leaders because we have a destiny... are we going to walk away from that destiny which God knows will lead us to our own life's fulfillment and also glimpses of happiness (marriage, parenthood, the ministry, and as Leaders we know that when God says...I want you to go in that direction because it's harder... and not be this or that anymore...we as Christians (Christ-like...) will obey God...for He is our Leader...if God wanted to change our carreer 100 times should we say no?
    do we know better than God?
    and yet God only asks us to what He knows we are capable of doing...God is a loving,compassionate,merciful,gracious..beautiful God....

    so why would God not want us to be leader (everyone)?

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    Respectfully, Friend - if I may point out - you are focusing too much on 'leadership - first learn to be led by God. I can see you are humble and have a heart for God which is a great start as it should lead us to love and obey God which is the 'first commandment.
    So many Christians focus more on the 'second command of loving neighbour which is also good, but does 'not 'replace the first. So what do you think of 'Commandment-keeping ? like to talk about that ?
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