Have you believed the false grace message?

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Roughsoul1991 said:
My message is not to make anyone one believe different after all you will believe what you want. I just want people to examine what they believe.
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What about you? Or are you off the hook on examining what you believe?
 
Roughsoul1991

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I just don't see it logical to teach people once you are saved nothing you can do can lose that salvation. So a Christian can fall away and live in deliberate sin but that's okay they will still be saved.

Basically saying we can live how we want thanks Jesus.
 
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Sirk said:
What about you? Or are you off the hook on examining what you believe?
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I been examining what I believe for weeks now once I found out we all don't agree on salvation which took me off guard. Something so obvious to me can be so controversial
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
I just don't see it logical to teach people once you are saved nothing you can do can lose that salvation. So a Christian can fall away and live in deliberate sin but that's okay they will still be saved.

Basically saying we can live how we want thanks Jesus.
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If that's the case then why didn't God use something like...you become my friends vs you become my children? Friends come and go, children are forever.
 
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Jesus came to fulfill the law because we can't. If we accept him then we aren't under the old covenant because he has paid the penalty. Those who don't still are under the law. Am I wrong on that?
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When Paul was saying Christians were not under the law he was speaking of the still in place Mosaic law which came to an end in the 1st century.

In a sense the whole world at that time of the Mosaic law was "under it" so to speak as Israel was a testimony and light to the nations back then.

The whole world is "under" the new covenant, the law of Christ. Any of and in the nations can eat of the tree of life and drink of the living waters.
 
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Locutus said:
When Paul was saying Christians were not under the law he was speaking of the still in place Mosaic law which came to an end in the 1st century.

In a sense the whole world at that time of the Mosaic law was "under it" so to speak as Israel was a testimony and light to the nations back then.

The whole world is "under" the new covenant, the law of Christ. Any of and in the nations can eat of the tree of life and drink of the living waters.
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But what happens to those who don't and what are they called?
 
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If that's the case then why didn't God use something like...you become my friends vs you become my children? Friends come and go, children are forever.
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So why must we follow?
 
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But what happens to those who don't and what are they called?
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Loaded question - back in the UK when I was a kid there was a cartoon strip called The Perishers about mischievous/naughty kids.

I guess you could call them perishers...:p
 
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Loaded question - back in the UK when I was a kid there was a cartoon strip called The Perishers about mischievous/naughty kids.

I guess you could call them perishers...:p
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Ha! I think they're called enemies of God.
 
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Why does an abused or neglected dog from the pound often become the best companion ever when they are shown love?
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Are they forced to follow or is of the dogs free will wanting to grow closer to this love? Can a dog who is loved tremendously by its owner still run away to chance after something it wants? The owner will cry and long for their lost dog but the owner couldn't stop the dog without chaining him up.
 
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We love our children but do not control them. We can help them but we can't control them. When they screw up and we have the answers to fix their problem, it's up to them to listen. It's up to them to acknowledge their wrong doing and take advice that will help them.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
We love our children but do not control them. We can help them but we can't control them. When they screw up and we have the answers to fix their problem, it's up to them to listen. It's up to them to acknowledge their wrong doing and take advice that will help them.
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Is it up to them to do something that guarantees you will feed them tomorrow... and if they don't, then are you going to refuse to let them have any food?
 
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Are they forced to follow or is of the dogs free will wanting to grow closer to this love? Can a dog who is loved tremendously by its owner still run away to chance after something it wants? The owner will cry and long for their lost dog but the owner couldn't stop the dog without chaining him up.
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will the owner then cease to want reunite with his dog. Will he not got the pound and pay his fine to bring him back home?
 
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Is it up to them to do something that guarantees you will feed them tomorrow... and if they don't, then are you going to refuse to let them have any food?
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If they keep returning to the hands that feed them life then smart on them. But if they run away and leave the hands that feed life then they will surely die or find another set of hands that will feed them what they want to hear.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
We love our children but do not control them. We can help them but we can't control them. When they screw up and we have the answers to fix their problem, it's up to them to listen. It's up to them to acknowledge their wrong doing and take advice that will help them.
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And more words will never make them listen or understand better. Mostly it will exasperate them and they will hate you for it. A good parent enters their child's world....just like Jesus did.
 
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will the owner then cease to want reunite with his dog. Will he not got the pound and pay his fine to bring him back home?
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The owner will always want to reunite but the fine can and has only been paid once. They knew the love of the owner but it still wasn't enough to keep them from chasing the cats of the world.
 
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And more words will never make them listen or understand better. Mostly it will exasperate them and they will hate you for it. A good parent enters their child's world....just like Jesus did.
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A good parent would love to enter and help but will the child let him? That's the question
 
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If they keep returning to the hands that feed them life then smart on them. But if they run away and leave the hands that feed life then they will surely die or find another set of hands that will feed them what they want to hear.
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And if you know the street corner they are starving on, will you stand across the street, watching them from a hiding spot, or will you go to them or at least send some food over to them? Or will you insist they must prove something to you before you will help them?

How many Hail Mary's did God require of Adam and Eve before He gave them some clothes to wear to cover the shame their own actions had caused them to suffer?
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
A good parent would love to enter and help but will the child let him? That's the question
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Well that depends. Did you do it when they wanted you too? Or just when they are older and they are big enough to not be manipulated by you to "behave" so you can be comfortable?
 
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