Have you believed the false grace message?

[wsblind]

I heard a message by Charles Stanley, he was speaking about performance based love. Just those words are enough to stop you in your tracks. Performance based love. If we have to do ANYTHING to achieve/keep it, then what is the "it"? No one can say, because it doesn't exist. I defy anyone to define what the "it" is we have to do to earn and/or maintain salvation. Be here waiting....

I need to start listening to you more.

I will wait with you.......should be very interesting if a person/bozo trys to answer that.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

How much sin is too much for God? Doesn't the bible teach that there is no greater or lesser sin? So I can lose my salvation if I tell a white lie and don't repent?

Idk is all sin the same especially if we have acknowledge of it?
1 John 1:9New International Version (NIV)

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Sirk]

Idk is all sin the same especially if we have acknowledge of it?
1 John 1:9New International Version (NIV)

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

and whether we confess them or not there will still be earthly consequences.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I heard a message by Charles Stanley, he was speaking about performance based love. Just those words are enough to stop you in your tracks. Performance based love. If we have to do ANYTHING to achieve/keep it, then what is the "it"? No one can say, because it doesn't exist. I defy anyone to define what the "it" is we have to do to earn and/or maintain salvation. Be here waiting....

Stay in the faith and in grace we are given salvation

 

[Roughsoul1991]

and whether we confess them or not there will still be earthly consequences.

And so that's of earth.

 

[wsblind]

And, remember.... Jesus did not simply give up some power for a few (33) short years, being confident He would get it all back right after a little pain on the cross. He chose to become HUMAN for all Eternity. He remains human to this day, even though He shares God's life. That had to be one BUMMER of a very permanent decision for Him to make.

And it was done just for us.... He sure didn't need it.

100% humanity and 100% deity.....forever.

God became a man and will stay a man.....forever.

That is completely mind blowing if one stops and thinks about it. Of everything Christ did for us, this tops the list.

 

[Sully]

Stay in the faith and in grace we are given salvation

Yes, "stay" is a verb an action. All believers will stay at the cross, where the finished work is. Where else is there to go?

 

[Sirk]

And so that's of earth.

Consequences are for learning. God chastens those he loves.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Yes, "stay" is a verb an action. All believers will stay at the cross, where the finished work is. Where else is there to go?

All believers will pick up their cross daily. You ask where else is there. Good question that I don't know of anything better but people choose to go their own way all the time.

 

[Willie-T]

1991,

I will rescue you a little by risking the ire of my brothers and say that I do not believe in OSAS the way I often hear it expressed.

I do not believe anything can snatch you out of God's hand. And I do not believe certain sins can disqualify us. BUT, I do believe you can choose to jump out of God's hand, and I believe that any once-professing Christian can decide they want to have nothing to do with God.

That, however, is not one of those things those of us who boastfully claim they have some sort of BS power of "discernment" can ever dare to try and judge. That is a heart matter, and even if a man may be cussing God and giving the Heavens the finger, I think God knows the deepest truth, and will handle things as He will handle them. That is so far above our pay grade that we should shudder in fright to even dream of stepping in to do any judging on the matter.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Consequences are for learning. God chastens those he loves.

But if the child doesnt learn from his mistakes and ceased to acknowledges the one who disciplines then what happens to that child

 

[wsblind]

This article has good information that you can use to see if you have believed in the false teachings of today.

It does no harm to test your theology for truth and may even save you from hell.

Grace vs. False-Grace: Have you fallen for the false-grace message? Five marks of the false-grace doctrine… - John Burton | Conference Speaker | Author

Stopped reading. And it didn't take long at all.

How can anybody in their right mind continue reading after this........

[FONT=&quot]Many in the false-grace movement have already been shocked on the day of their death to find themselves [/FONT][FONT=&quot]escorted not into the presence of God by glorious angels, but rather by the most horrifying of demonic creatures into their new, eternal residence in Hell.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] It happens every day. I’m grieved and broken.[/FONT]

 

[Sirk]

But if the child doesnt learn from his mistakes and ceased to acknowledges the one who disciplines then what happens to that child

He is still your child and you love him.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

1991,

I will rescue you a little by risking the ire of my brothers and say that I do not believe in OSAS the way I often hear it expressed.

I do not believe anything can snatch you out of God's hand. And I do not believe certain sins can disqualify us. BUT, I do believe you can choose to jump out of God's hand, and I believe that any once-professing Christian can decide they want to have nothing to do with God.

That, however, is not one of those things those of us who boastfully claim they have some sort of BS power of "discernment" can ever dare to try and judge. That is a heart matter, and even if a man may be cussing God and giving the Heavens the finger, I think God knows the deepest truth, and will handle things as He will handle them. That is so far above our pay grade that we should shudder in fright to even dream of stepping in to do any judging on the matter.

I agree with all you said because as you mention above its when the believer chooses to jump away that's when the problem happens. And you are right it's of God to know that's person's heart and to truly know if that person will never return.

All I am trying to do is warn people from things that may lead to that choice of leaving.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

He is still your child and you love him.

And does that save that child from his punishment?

 

[wsblind]

But if the child doesnt learn from his mistakes and ceased to acknowledges the one who disciplines then what happens to that child

As a father, I would forsake them and banish them to an eternity in a burning lake. Worthless scumbags, I don't have anything in my character and integrity that would love my kids that disrespected me. they better please me, or no love from me. Just wrath and fire.

 

[Sully]

I agree with all you said because as you mention above its when the believer chooses to jump away that's when the problem happens. And you are right it's of God to know that's person's heart and to truly know if that person will never return.

All I am trying to do is warn people from things that may lead to that choice of leaving.

But you're speaking of a willful act of turning one's back on the free gift of redemption no?

 

[Sirk]

And does that save that child from his punishment?

punishment is for you. Discipline is for the child.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Stopped reading. And it didn't take long at all.

How can anybody in their right mind continue reading after this........

[FONT=&quot]Many in the false-grace movement have already been shocked on the day of their death to find themselves [/FONT][FONT=&quot]escorted not into the presence of God by glorious angels, but rather by the most horrifying of demonic creatures into their new, eternal residence in Hell.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] It happens every day. I’m grieved and broken.[/FONT]

You stopped reading because the author gave an opinion before he started talking scriptures?

Or was the image oh hell too much to read?

 

[maxwel]

Some are implying that a loving God couldn't possibly send his children to hell.

I think we have some misunderstandings.



Those who suffer God's wrath are NOT his children.

They are people who REFUSE to be his children.

God's sent his son to die for them, and now his spirit pulls at them, every moment of every day -
pulling at them, tugging at them, pulling at their hearts, every moment, year after year...
and they REFUSE God's love, every moment of every day.
They REFUSE to accept his love, and mercy, and his payment for their sins.
They REFUSE to be his children.
They REFUSE the payment he made for their sins.
They REFUSE to spend eternity with him.

He reaches out to them every second until the moment they die.
And they virtually spit in his face... all the way to their graves.

The people who suffer God's wrath are NOT his children.

They refuse to be his children.