HELL

[wsblind]

You continue to reject the words of Jesus. You think Christ was wrong. Repeating your error does not make it any more right the second time around. Blasphemy will not be forgiven. All other sin is forgiven. Jesus said so. Who do you follow?

Please point out my error? I can and will have a civil discussion with you Sis.

 

[Magenta]

Please point out my error? I can and will have a civil discussion with you Sis.

I have not been uncivil with you and I have already pointed out your error! Jesus specifically said that blasphemy against the Spirit would not be forgiven. If you reject that, you reject the words of Jesus. That is what I said. It is pretty straightforward. If you find it offensive, I am sorry. Death is the punishment for the unforgivable sin: the second death.

 

[wsblind]

I have not been uncivil with you and I have already pointed out your error! Jesus specifically said that blasphemy against the Spirit would not be forgiven. If you reject that, you reject the words of Jesus. That is what I said. It is pretty straightforward. If you find it offensive, I am sorry. Death is the punishment for the unforgivable sin: the second death.

So we have a contradiction. I asked if you believed that Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin. You said yes.

So you don't believe He paid for all sin?

 

[BeyondET]

Bill Wiese has said that he had an experience where God sent him to hell for 23 minutes, his book was 23 minutes in hell. Can this be discussed in this forum, anyone know?

Just out of curiosity did Bill bring a stop watch with him to Hell...

 

[StanJ]

Not all annihilationists make that mistake which I just told you but you; why do you then choose to repeat your lie? You contradict yourself all over the place, also. The resurrection is physical, Scripture is PLAIN about that. The soul is never said to be immortal which is what you pedal. Scripture explicitly states only God is immortal. Hell is the grave. Hell, translated improperly from the original Hebrew and Greek words Gehenna, Sheol, Hades, and Tartarus, is simply a holding place of the dead until the resurrection and judgement of all, which is physical. Death and hell are eventually thrown into the lake of fire. The second death is the utter destruction of both body and soul.

There are many many many Scriptures that attest to the fact that death is the final everlasting punishment for the person who refuses to accept the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ as a covering for their sin.

ALL annihilationists make the same mistake as you keep on doing, by using wording that is meant for living beings to indicate that they apply to the spiritual being. It is obvious you are able to differentiate between the different words and the different meanings that you continue to misunderstand what soul means.
The triple Nature of man: Body, Spirit & Soul
You use all the wording and misuse the scripture is that all annihilationists use. Why don't you explain Hebrews 4:2 for us. It clearly indicates that man has Body, Soul and Spirit. Soul is the Life Force to keep you alive. Spirit is just let your spirit. Death destroys the life force and the body but it does not affect the spirit. When the Bible talks about the afterlife it talks about a spiritual place. Instead of avoiding what Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:10 say, deal with it. Every word that scripture talks about death is talking about death as we know it in the Physical Realm because it does not affect the spiritual round and you haven't been able to supply one scripture that shows that the spirit ever does and yet you have been supplied many scriptures that show that eternal torment is just suck its torment that the spirit of those who are not saved will and your forever. The second death only relates to the soul and body, it does not relate to the spirit. Jesus showed in Luke 16 clearly that there is a spiritual place.
Please show us one place in the scriptures where death is referred to as Everlasting Punishment.

 

[StanJ]

Stop telling your lies about me.

This is exactly why people say you're being uncivil. Nobody has called you a liar yet you continue to call other people Liars and that is the sign of a desperate person whose cognitive dissonance is getting the better of them.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Bey: You make light of hell and love rock music...strange stuff for a Christian.

 

[Utah]

Good day Utah,

I believe that even unbelievers still have some part of God in them that they don't realize. And when they are judged at the great white throne judgment and the final separation takes place, I believe that they will experience something unexpected, i.e. the complete absence of God from their being. I don't think that is something that we can even fathom. It will be an emptiness that cannot be described.

Though I believe that complete separation from God will be the worst part of condemning judgment, in addition to this, the torment of eternal fire in a resurrected body that cannot be burned up or annihilated will needless to say, not be endurable.

To be burned up as soon as one hits the fire would be no punishment at all. People commit suicide for that very purpose, thinking that as soon as they kill themselves, they fade to black, becoming non-existent. Needless to say, once they've accomplished this, they realize that they have made a great error in assuming this, as they find that though their body is dead, their spirit/soul continues on, either in the presence of Christ or in Hades in torment in flame, just like the rich man.

Amen, bro. I may loathe the multitudes for various reasons, but I pray for their spiritual awakening that they may rejoice in the saving grace of Jesus. Nothing is more important.

 

[garee]

So we have a contradiction. I asked if you believed that Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin. You said yes.

So you don't believe He paid for all sin?

All in as many that the father gave him will come ,not one more or one less. The word many is the key it distinguishes the all from everybody as in universal-ism.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[StanJ]

All in as many that the father gave him will come ,not one more or one less. The word many is the key it distinguishes the all from everybody as in universal-ism.
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

As God draws all men to Jesus and he wants all to be saved and is not willing that any should perish, once a person confesses Jesus as their savior he is given to Jesus by God.
Sovereign election is a false Doctrine taught by John Calvin that is not supported in the Bible.

 

[garee]

Morning prynceNY,

As I am sure that you are aware, there are no scriptures that support temporary punishment or annihilation, as Magenta continues to claim. Not one.

All of the scripture support the fact that hell has do with one alive and suffering (living sacrifice) . The problem seems on how some define the "heart of the earth" .Scripture identifies it as the belly of the whale. Jonas was no more dead that was Jesus when he suffered and cried out to his father. Its a living sacrifice not one dead without spirit life.

Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.Jon 2:1

Unto death is not dead.It is the reasoning of a living affliction a person cannot hear or cry out when a person id dead.

And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch. And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

 

[wsblind]

All in as many that the father gave him will come ,not one more or one less. The word many is the key it distinguishes the all from everybody as in universal-ism.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin. Mans problem is no longer sin. Any man can go into the temple(the veil was torn) and come to God. The Father drew ALL mankind to Himself, by PUBLICALLY lifting His Son up. And anyone who looks upon this PUBLIC(hidden from no one)display and believes WILL be saved.

This is why unbelievers have an eternal consequence if they never believe. If they were paying for their sin, they would just be put to death.

But they are paying for their rejecting of the ETERNAL sacrifice Jesus paid for their sins. The wages are much higher than the wages of sin.

 

[BeyondET]

Hi Bey: You make light of hell and love rock music...strange stuff for a Christian.

Well I think it's even more strange when some dude says he was in hell for exactly 23 mins and another time for 10 secs.
this is how I comfirm its all bogus stuff to get his book at the best selling book for weeks. Did he look at the clock before hand or did God say ok you ready bill look at the clock now lets go I'm taking you to hell. if this was true he wouldn't really know the exact time he spent there, that wouldn't be of concern but he seems to make a point in knowing exact time frames that's bull hockey.

 

[samuel23]

Hey Bey: All I can tell you to do is to check out the story completely and then see if you still believe it to be false. I have read his book a few times did a little research about him and at this point I believe his story is true. I could make a list of the stories I do not think are true and my list of stories that I think are true are small, however I believe this guy is the real thing. By the way, it is called 23 minutes in hell because he woke up and happened to look at the clock and when his screams woke up his wife she also looked at the clock...it was 23 minutes.

 

[BeyondET]

Hey Bey: All I can tell you to do is to check out the story completely and then see if you still believe it to be false. I have read his book a few times did a little research about him and at this point I believe his story is true. I could make a list of the stories I do not think are true and my list of stories that I think are true are small, however I believe this guy is the real thing. By the way, it is called 23 minutes in hell because he woke up and happened to look at the clock and when his screams woke up his wife she also looked at the clock...it was 23 minutes.

I hear ya, it just seems really odd to me, he makes a statement again another time it was 10sec. For me it just doesn't line up to being credible in my view, having his wife aboard with the scam, doesn't make the story anymore believeable in my eyes. His wife saying it was 23 minutes as well really is another thing, how did she know at what time he was sent to hell its quite questionable IMO.

 

[abcdef]

Please show us one place in the scriptures where death is referred to as Everlasting Punishment.

Matt 25:46, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:...."

 

[BeyondET]

Reminds me of another couple Jim and Tammy baker..

 

[garee]

Matt 25:46, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:...."

I think that is different then everlasting suffering.

Everlasting punishment means a person is dead and will never rise to new spirit life .

The same with everlasting fire, fire simply means judgement . Not literal fire that needs fuel .

 

[Ahwatukee]

I think that is different then everlasting suffering.

Everlasting punishment means a person is dead and will never rise to new spirit life .

The same with everlasting fire, fire simply means judgement . Not literal fire that needs fuel .

And you don't think that the same God who created the sun and billions of suns, cannot create a place of everlasting fire?

Scripture means what it says garee.

"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

The above is not figurative language. The devil and his angels and all whose names are not found written in the book of life will suffer that same fate as stated above. By the way, one would have to be existing in order to experience no rest, no intermission, no cessation, of said torment.

 

[garee]

I hear ya, it just seems really odd to me, he makes a statement again another time it was 10sec. For me it just doesn't line up to being credible in my view, having his wife aboard with the scam, doesn't make the story anymore believeable in my eyes. His wife saying it was 23 minutes as well really is another thing, how did she know at what time he was sent to hell its quite questionable IMO.

They are simply showing themselves as false prophets by violating the loving law to not add to what is written or take away. What we had in part up until the last revelation, the chapter of Revelation for over two thousand years we have the whole or perfect this is with not loving laws missing by which we could know him more adequately.

Its how we try the spirits as we are lovingly commanded .

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.