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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    The Holy Ghost is the one (restrainer) that is within each person who believes. If you have to ask if you have Him then I suggest you go back to square one and reach out to Jesus Christ with your heart before it is too late.. I might just be your mind is letting you down.
    I am always led by God Spirit..I have a relationship with and and walk and talk with God as all who have the Holy Spirit can...and God speaks to us in infinite ways as in the way you perceive God...and yet you can never understand all of God...for the foolishness of God shall confound the wise...and We know a lot about Jesus but what do we know about Him in heaven..and the Holy Spirit....all one God....not plural...can that be explained...no...and I accept all of this as true by faith...we all have some degree of faith and as individuals we are never at exactly the same degree of faith to the decimal point...we are learning...and I want to learn more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino246 View Post
    Modernization is not a problem for people who understand the purpose of translation or the fluidity of language. Just as nobody would have translated the Bible into Elizabethan English in 600 AD, no-one would do so in 2017 either, because it is not the current language. The point of translation is to make the Word available to contemporary readers of other languages (including English).

    Your point about Bible codes being part of what authenticates the Bible is valid, but your application is not. The translation has absolutely nothing to do with it. If there are codes, they must be present in the original languages or they are not valid; simple as that. Your examples reference the original languages.
    THe Greek LXX is essentially the same as the Hebrew text. The codes are still there.

    SImply watch the film, it is worth the 1 HR. He does not bite>LOL

    But let me say this..... Could you write a genealogy with all those codes... .... Maybe the first line but not the rest. Rem there are thirty -five levels. God made sure the LXX was correct and also made sure the KJV was right.

    Who is trying to rewrite it.......MAN.....
    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    THe Greek LXX is essentially the same as the Hebrew text. The codes are still there.

    SImply watch the film, it is worth the 1 HR. He does not bite>LOL

    But let me say this..... Could you write a genealogy with all those codes... .... Maybe the first line but not the rest. Rem there are thirty -five levels. God made sure the LXX was correct and also made sure the KJV was right.

    Who is trying to rewrite it.......MAN.....
    To the bolded part, no, He didn't. It's one translation among thousands. It has been proven wrong in many places.

    As to Dr. Missler, he is an excellent teacher, and I have enjoyed many hours of his instruction, including the material you referenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    THe Greek LXX is essentially the same as the Hebrew text. The codes are still there.

    SImply watch the film, it is worth the 1 HR. He does not bite>LOL

    But let me say this..... Could you write a genealogy with all those codes... .... Maybe the first line but not the rest. Rem there are thirty -five levels. God made sure the LXX was correct and also made sure the KJV was right.

    Who is trying to rewrite it.......MAN.....

    And you get this information from where??

    The LXX differs in many places from the Hebrew text of the OT. If you want examples, I will post them for you.

    I just do not understand why some people are brainwashed into thinking the KJV is the only "perfect" Bible, when there were Bibles before and Bible after. To say nothing of all the revisions of the KJV.

    Modern versions are upgraded a lot, as understanding of the original languages changes. Right now, there is a big revolution in the Middle Voice in Koine Greek. I can't give you all the details, because the debate and changes are ongoing, and being updated as more and more manuscripts are discovered. I have no idea how this may change the translating, if at all. My Greek prof updates us as more and more articles come out and there are more and more conferences discussing the changes.

    When you get into advanced Greek translating, there are options which are different, but can all be right. We have one man in our class, a doctor, and he always comes up with interesting and alternate translations, many of which are quite valid.


    I guess studying the orginal languages makes you realize how far the KJV is from being right or useful. I was raised on KJV, but as soon as I got saved, I went to modern versions. The more I study the original languages, the more I think that people who for some absurd reason think KJV is the final Bible, really need to learn about the origins and studies of the Bible, all 5000+ manuscripts, instead of just replying on 7 corrupt versions that Erasmus was forced to use, which the KJV translators relied on.
    Dino246 and Stunnedbygrace like this.
    "And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me." 2 Cor. 12:9 NASB

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    Quote Originally Posted by respectfully View Post
    I am always led by God Spirit..I have a relationship with and and walk and talk with God as all who have the Holy Spirit can...and God speaks to us in infinite ways as in the way you perceive God...and yet you can never understand all of God...for the foolishness of God shall confound the wise...and We know a lot about Jesus but what do we know about Him in heaven..and the Holy Spirit....all one God....not plural...can that be explained...no...and I accept all of this as true by faith...we all have some degree of faith and as individuals we are never at exactly the same degree of faith to the decimal point...we are learning...and I want to learn more

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    Then I read your postings wrong,,,My apologies. I think that is the one thing that God gave us so that we might learn about him. The Bible. We do know a lot from the scriptures and finding about more each and every day. Yet, my personal talks with God are invaluable and as my signature states, I listen very closely to the Holy Spirit that is within me. Thank you for sharing you elegant thoughts.
    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    Doesn't Chuck Missler teach a pre-tribulation rapture of the church? I know that one is not in the bible, how can folks use the bible to prove something when it does not exist?
    Samuel, as if that was not enough, here is another code found in Revelation 7. The sealing of the 144,000 of the tribes of Israel. The tribes of Israel, throughout the Bible are listed by order of Birth. Here they are listed in a special way. By listing the Names given in Rev 7 and using their name meaning you get this.



    *"Praise God(!) Behold a Son[Jesus] (of) good fortune (and) happiness. My wrestling [struggling to live](,) God has caused me to forget. Hearing (of) our joining, God hath given me my hire [rewards] (and) elevated dwelling[Heaven] increased (by) the son of the right hand[Jesus Christ]."

    Emphasis added, There are lot of people out there believe that God is done with Israel and all took place in 70 AD. Therefore, there is only the second coming of Christ. There are more versions but this is the most prevalent on this forum. (Replacement Theology),

    Ask yourself, Why would God put these 144,000 in Revelations for? Another Symbol or something maybe........?

    Every day I read the Bible scriptures and other books for the incites of others that might lead me to a better understanding of God's Word. That I might bring it to you and others, telling you that according to Prophecies that are so easily swept aside, The days of terrible Wrath where a few billion of mankind will die are swiftly approaching us.. My hope is prior to the appointed time of Daniel's 70th Week and 1 Thesaloneans 4:13-18 becomes reality, I have been able to sway one or two hearts to the right path.

    For it is foretold in Revelation, that many will die and all of the Saints after 1 Thes. 4:13-18 will die (martyred). There will be no way around these events.


    *courtesy of Revelation Road, Bill Salus

    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino246 View Post
    To the bolded part, no, He didn't. It's one translation among thousands. It has been proven wrong in many places.

    As to Dr. Missler, he is an excellent teacher, and I have enjoyed many hours of his instruction, including the material you referenced.

    To be sure , He (Chuck Missler) was talking about Matthew 1:1-11. Yes there are many translations, but so far, by what I have found and studied, his is the most plausible.

    Either way, I simply brought it to bear for the people of the forum. For those who have doubts, yet want to believe. While the codes are good, the whole 'Word of God [Bible]is the best.

    Have a Blessed day Dino246:

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    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela53510 View Post
    "And you get this information from where??

    The LXX differs in many places from the Hebrew text of the OT. If you want examples, I will post them for you."
    If you please, list a few,,, I would like to compare and add them to what I have on file. Thank YOU
    ps. instead of posting them, you can send them by mail........If you wish.




    You Said:"Right now, there is a big revolution in the Middle Voice in Koine Greek. "


    RIGHT NOW the world and especially the RCC is setting the stage for the end times. They (those 70 scribes) knew the Koine Greek better that MOST all the professors do these days. They grew up with it, They LIVED it. All we do is think we KNOW what it actually meant.

    DO You, as a obviously are, a studied gentleman BELIEVE that GOD would let anybody (Except the RCC) make a mockery
    of HIS word. Dooo you really believe that???????



    You Said: "I guess studying the orginal languages makes you realize how far the KJV is from being right or useful. "


    Yes, studying them does help, BUT it does not take the place of those the wrote of the LXX (written some 300 years before Christ) by those 70 scribes.


    You Said:" instead of just replying on 7 corrupt versions that Erasmus was forced to use, which the KJV translators relied on."


    Erasmus, a RCC rewrote the New Testament in Latin, Greek and other languages after it had been written 12-1300 years before in Koine Greek. Since Erasmus wrote everything in a Purely Latin Style, it stands to reason that his versions would be different. Notice also, Koine Greek had already been death for 1000 years, the LXX had been written some 2000 years before and the New Testament some 11-1200 years before his birth. I would assume that he was biased as evident as his lifetime membership with the RCC. Anyone who believes the 'POPE is a VICAR of CHRIST'...(Christ here on EARTH)...in my book cannot be taken very seriously regardless of what he writes.


    One other point, I have always anchored myself with FAITH when reading other material, translating different languages of the Bible. I do not believe that GOD, a writer himself, would allowed anyone to destroy or even change the most minute detail of HIS masterpiece. HIS WORD is to HIS Glory just like the prophecies. They are not there just to be fulfilled but rather SHOW His Glory when they are fulfilled.

    Those codes, 'NOTES to US' by way of the meanings of the names in the Genealogy of Adam down through Noah in both the OT and the NT, exactly the same yet written 4-500 years apart, are all a tribute to God's Glory. Have Faith My Friend.

    FAITH is the key to eternal Life.

    Last edited by Bladerunner; March 21st, 2017 at 07:33 AM.
    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    Then I read your postings wrong,,,My apologies. I think that is the one thing that God gave us so that we might learn about him. The Bible. We do know a lot from the scriptures and finding about more each and every day. Yet, my personal talks with God are invaluable and as my signature states, I listen very closely to the Holy Spirit that is within me. Thank you for sharing you elegant thoughts.

    I will tell you one thing that I understand from the Holy Spirit...when a person truly apologizes ... it truly shows nobility... why? because no one is every right 100% of the time... and to admit that you made a mistake to someone is hard sometimes...because we all get prideful now and then.... it is a human flaw... but I encourage you say sorry even when you know you are right... and you realize that there is a beauty in staying humble. and yet we will always have a battle between being humble and prideful...and when someone criticizes me... even when I know they're God has humbled me to either keep silent or say sorry and speak words of comfort and that is not retreating in the sense of a battle...but resigning in the sense of being peaceful.

    reach deep down into your heart...and there is God waiting to comfort you...if you are will to humble yourself and pray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by respectfully View Post
    I mentioned in a different thread that I wanted know more about the Holy Spirit and why the term Holy Ghost is hardly used anoymore (at least to my knowledge)

    okay my only help in this topic is that Jesus once spoke there is none "good" but God....I would think the same about "holy"

    but God spoke in the old testament..... Jesus was born and crucified in the new testament as He introduces the comforter...or Holy Spirit... (In Act talks about the intro to this topic...)

    John 1:1 says In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word Was God
    (please explain this verse also)

    I am Pentecostal...I totally believe that if I don't continually try to learn more about God's Word and about God and everything about my faith... I am weak...spiritually...and the devil will try to make me weaker
    Hi,

    So you are Pentecostal. If you want a Pentecostal view or that may help further regards your thread, then you may google the name: Matthew Verschuur.

    But i am not a Pentecostal.

    God bless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    I associate Holy Ghost with Roman Catholicism.
    Whoa!

    What in the world kind of insult is this?

    Please explain Magenta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    The Holy Ghost is the one (restrainer)...
    So the Holy Ghost is the Restrainer that will be 'taken out of the way' eh?

    Even though God says he will pour out his Spirit?

    Joel 2:28
    "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions"


    Acts 2:18
    "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy"

    Looks like it's back to the Drawing Board on that theory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Base12 View Post
    And have you ever heard of the Standard Model of Bible Physics?



    Hint...

    The Holy Ghost is mentioned in that graphic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    Was this in the Bible??????? actually written in the Bible??????? then that was Blasphemey.
    Yes, it was actually written...

    Romans 1:20
    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"


    The Invisible Things of God are manifested into our physical reality via something called the 'Godhead'.

    In other words, Atoms.

    What God calls the Godhead, we call Atoms.

    God even goes as far as saying that once One knows this, they are 'without excuse', because let's face it... if One doesn't know about Atoms by now, well... that's just inexcusable.

    The Bible says Oxen are strong and that Man is weak, etc.

    The Bible says that the 'Eyes round about' were the color of the Beryl... i.e... the Electron...



    It's all there.

    Now if One isn't using the KJV, then yeah... these Revelations can look like blasphemy since the newer translations are full of blasphemies to begin with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    I associate Holy Ghost with Roman Catholicism.

    Attachment 167755

    Matthew 12:31
    "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men"




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    Quote Originally Posted by Base12 View Post
    ^^^
    This.

    If One doesn't hear the Words "Holy Ghost" at One's Church, then One may want to find a new place of worship.

    In other Words, if One isn't learning from the KJV, then One is in danger of not learning at all.


    the translators of the KJV used spirit, breath, soul, wind and ghost alternately to translate the same Greek word, "pneuma"

    in the preface to the 1611 edition they expressly stated that they purposefully varied English word choice when translating, even though the original language uses the same words without variance, in order to reflect on the variety of God's creation and to generally make the text more interesting to read.

    just because a translation uses 4 or 5 different words arbitrarily to represent one single word in the original language doesn't make it more holy.
    and it doesn't mean you miss the truth if you read it in Greek, or in any other language, if faithfully translated, that uses one word to translate pneuma throughout.
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    I think what irritated a lot of Christians was when translations such as NIV came out and they advertised that they were better then the KJV. My first thought when I heard such things was, how can you be better then an actual word for word translation? So I did a little study, it seems that NIV is claiming an older copy then what was used for the KJV. The problem is that all copies are copies of copies of copies, and so on. When one copy predates another copy, that in itself is not evidence that it is more accurate, because like the copy that it predated, it is a copy, of a copy, of a copy, and so on. The only way to really know for sure which is the more accurate translation, we would have to go back to the original and those have been long gone. My point, an older copy is still a very long way from the original. Also, if something in KJV is false then point out exactly what it is...just saying NIV is better then KJV proves nothing...besides NIV is a sophisticated paraphrase.

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    I try not to use the term Holy Ghost. Holy Spirit works for me. I don't look at the Father as a SPOOK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddyt View Post
    I try not to use the term Holy Ghost. Holy Spirit works for me. I don't look at the Father as a SPOOK.
    I try not to use the term holy spirt. It sounds like it could get messy. (I'm poking fun at the thread title, btw.)
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