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2 Cor. 3
1Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? 2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. 12Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
1 Cor. 10: 1-6
1For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3and all ate the same spiritual food; 4and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. 5Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.
6Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.
1 Cor. 10:23
23All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. 24Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.
20She said, “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” And he awoke from his sleep and said, “I will go out as at other times and shake myself free.” But he did not know that the LORD had departed from him.
Judges 16:20 is, to me, one of the scariest verses in the Bible. The fact that Samson was not aware that the Lord had left him is very troubling. We are to be transformed into the image of the Lord. Did Christ not work? The thought here is not so much regarding what Samson did for the Lord to depart, but the fact that Samson was unaware that He had departed.
2 Peter 1:4-11
4For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. 5Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge, 6and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness, 7and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love. 8For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. 10Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; 11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
THE WAYS OF GOD are not effected by the opinions of men.
Hi decon, you don't have to look at David in order to find a place in the bible where a really saved person became lost, look at king Saul. Saul was actually picked by God and given the Holy Spirit and at a certain point because he refused to follow God, the Holy Spirit was taken from him...and he died in that condition. It is no wonder that David pleaded with God not to take the Spirit from him because he had seen what happened to Saul when the Spirit was taken from him. OSAS is like a lot of other false teachings, it really makes those who believe in it to feel good but is not backed up by the bible. I believe in eternal security of the believer, however I believe a believer can become an unbeliever if they chose to do so(walk away from Christ).
His premise was not even right.....and you call it good...hilarious! And the SPIRIT given to a king for leadership is not necessarily indicative of salvation.....there is NO evidence Saul was saved and then lost it! ZERO...NADDA...NOTHING
1 Samuel 12:13-15King James Version (KJV)13 Now therefore behold the king whom ye have chosen, and whom ye have desired! and, behold, the Lord hath set a king over you
Originally Posted by samuel23 Hi decon, you don't have to look at David in order to find a place in the bible where a really saved person became lost, look at king Saul. Saul was actually picked by God and given the Holy Spirit and at a certain point because he refused to follow God, the Holy Spirit was taken from him...and he died in that condition. It is no wonder that David pleaded with God not to take the Spirit from him because he had seen what happened to Saul when the Spirit was taken from him. OSAS is like a lot of other false teachings, it really makes those who believe in it to feel good but is not backed up by the bible. I believe in eternal security of the believer, however I believe a believer can become an unbeliever if they chose to do so(walk away from Christ).
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3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
4 And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain.
2 Sam 23
good morning again mister!
Here's the verses that come to mind that need to be worked into this, to my way of thinking.
Well, first, look at the part above that you didn't bold - the Lord hath set a king over you. This is like saying: I gave you your request (but it's not going to be good for you).
So just because He gave them what they demanded does not mean that He didn't do it, because there's this verse too - He sets kings in their places and removes kings from their places. Rulers may seem to have somehow gotten in their seat of power apart from God, but I don't think it's true. It only seems true.
Do you see the way my mind goes on it?
opps, that was response to dc, sorry. Didn't quote.
My word decon, being dishonest with the word of God will hardly help you win an argument. I am supposing that you know the story as well as I do(and I know it very well). God Himself picked Saul, and you know that because it is in the story. The expression, "the king whom you have chosen and whom you desire" was because the people wanted a king and liked Saul after they had seen him(most of them). This statement was made AFTER the whole story of how GOD HAD CHOSEN SAUL TO BE KING. Again, when any of us has to resort to dishonest manipulation of the word of God we lose...think about that please.
Yes, that is true. They picked him for his movie star looks. Yes. But does that cancel out the verse that says it is GOD who places rulers and removes rulers? Did He say, gosh dangit, I soooo do not want to give My Spirit to this king to be with him and guide him, but what choice do I have since they elected him?
He gave them what they asked for. He knew that man was the one who was going to be king before they knew that man would be king. Does God control world events or does the will of men control world events?
He's not trying to be dishonest.
Let's have a conversation in which at least one man somewhere can let the littlest bit of arrogance in speech be forgiven and ignored instead of a nasty back and forth!
1 Samuel 9:16(God speaking) I will send you a man(Saul) and you shall anoint him to be captain over My people...GOD PICKED HIM. 1 Samuel 10:1 the Lord has anointed you to be captain over His inheritance. 1Samuel 10:24 see you him(Saul) whom the LORD has chosen. Decon, you surely knew this when you tried to make it appear the other way...why?