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    Acts 4

    32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

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    In a sense.

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    Certainly not.

    Charity is voluntary.

    Socialism is involuntary.

    Socialism is actually legalised theft via the means of the State.

    Just because the State is the agency utilised for the forced redistribution of wealth makes it no less an act of theft.

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    Capitalism...

    Matthew 25:8
    "And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out"

    Matthew 25:9
    "But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Base12 View Post
    Capitalism...

    Matthew 25:8
    "And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out"

    Matthew 25:9
    "But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves"



    ...............

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    Hmmmm interesting question

    I don't know for certain whether Karl Marx invented socialism, but he certainly popularized it. And we must not forget that he dedicated his life to Satan (as it pertains to Satan's desire to bring down God). The rest, as they say, is a rather bloody history.......

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    Communism is state enforced. Socialism is seen as its little sister,
    I suppose. Canada is pink compared to commie red. We are told
    God loves a cheerful giver. State enforced giving is not the same
    as what the early church members were participating in.


    Embrace the Grace and Rejoice in His Everlasting Mercy and Love

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotmebutHim View Post
    Hmmmm interesting question

    I don't know for certain whether Karl Marx invented socialism, but he certainly popularized it. And we must not forget that he dedicated his life to Satan (as it pertains to Satan's desire to bring down God). The rest, as they say, is a rather bloody history.......
    And capitalism is squeaky clean...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Base12 View Post
    Capitalism...

    Matthew 25:8
    "And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out"

    Matthew 25:9
    "But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves"


    I don't think that is what Jesus is talking about. What he is talking about isn't good..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embankment View Post
    Acts 4

    32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

    I would call it living in community, not socialism.

    Living in community is believers having everything in common out of love, care and concern for one another because the love of God flows through them.

    He has told you, O man, what is good;

    And what does the Lord require of you
    But to do justice, to love kindness,
    And to walk humbly with your God?
    Micah 6:8




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    Quote Originally Posted by Embankment View Post
    Acts 4

    32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
    No. It was voluntary. It was simply a matter of "Hey, I have two pairs of shoes, and you have none. Here, you can have a pair of mine." "...and 3,000 were added to their number that day." And more were being added daily. You can't go up to 3,000+ people and compare inventory, so it was easier for the people to bring their extras to the apostles, so that they could distribute to the needy in an orderly fashion. Never was it the intent or purpose for the apostles to demand property or money from the people and lord it over them with power-hungry desires.
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    11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
    12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
    13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
    15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. titus 2:11-15

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    IMO, More like egalitarians than socialist, Jewish people speaking Aramaic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    And capitalism is squeaky clean...
    If you compare the two, yes, it is.

    It is certainly the best "system" the world has seen, to this point in time.

    It certainly needs a few tweaks, but it's hands down the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertsrose View Post

    I would call it living in community, not socialism.

    Living in community is believers having everything in common out of love, care and concern for one another because the love of God flows through them.
    The hippie communes of the 60's were similar in nature... it would be a great system to live under, as long as it was based in love for each other. Unfortunately, that usually doesn't work in larger numbers of participants.... someone has to be "in charge", and it begins to spiral out of control from there.
    No man is really saved unless he is in his heart obedient to Christ. C.H. Spurgeon

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    I like this verse

    Galatians 3:28
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Pretty much equal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embankment View Post
    Acts 4

    32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
    It makes me wonder how socialism would work in our country today. One argument against it is that perhaps a lot of people would take advantage of the system and work very little. And if enough people work very little, service is very bad. Long lines at the store. Long hold times on the phone. Long waits for refunds. Repairs done improperly. People are slow to respond to emergencies. The government forgets to mail your social security check. The insurance company forgets to reimburse you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    It makes me wonder how socialism would work in our country today. One argument against it is that perhaps a lot of people would take advantage of the system and work very little. And if enough people work very little, service is very bad. Long lines at the store. Long hold times on the phone. Long waits for refunds. Repairs done improperly. People are slow to respond to emergencies. The government forgets to mail your social security check. The insurance company forgets to reimburse you.
    It would work at least as badly as it has worked in every other country that has tried it.... probably much worse, since we have such a diverse population.

    The only place I've heard of it working with ANY degree of success is in Israel, with their relatively small kibbutz's....

    Again, if a society is made up of people that love each other as Christians are supposed to, it can work... but it takes selflessness and love of brother and sister.

    Both of those qualities are lacking in large, diverse societal groups.
    No man is really saved unless he is in his heart obedient to Christ. C.H. Spurgeon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinski7 View Post
    Certainly not.

    Charity is voluntary.

    Socialism is involuntary.

    Socialism is actually legalised theft via the means of the State.

    Just because the State is the agency utilised for the forced redistribution of wealth makes it no less an act of theft.

    Exactly.I heard someone say "Socialism is Communism with the gloves off". The Bible says if you dont work,you dont eat.The Bible does not agree with socialism.

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    Great answers!!

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