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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    Shouldn't you just be happy for those of us who recognize heresy when we see it?

    Can't you just rejoice with us?
    talking about heresy, can you give me bible verses
    to gather on sundays instead of the 7th day Sabbath?
    or to celebrate the sunrise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    Like I said - I can't be bovvered. It would be pointless because your mind is made up.
    like the bible says- prove all things
    I see you still not produce one verse-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    - a very legalistic mindset promoting the shadows of Israel's feasts..
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    this do in remembrance of me
    - this is the start of the 14th

    1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
    That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
    1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
    this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.


    1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
    saying, This cup is the [new testament] in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it,
    in remembrance of me.

    referring back to this...

    Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat
    this [passover with you] before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not
    any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

    Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said,
    Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

    Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine,
    until the kingdom of God shall come.

    Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them,
    saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

    Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
    This cup is [the new testament] in my blood, which is shed for you.


    Do what in remembrance of me? They were taking the Passover.
    Jesus changed the symbles of the passover only, did not do away with it.

    The Passover service also consists of the foot washing...

    Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments,
    and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
    Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
    Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet;
    ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

    Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
    Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord;
    neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

    Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
    and then Paul says this...

    1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
    the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
    as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

    1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast],
    not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
    but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    And he said that to a Gentile church, to keep the feast of unleavened bread.


    Acts 12:3 (KJV)
    And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
    (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

    Acts 20:6 (KJV)
    And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
    and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.


    Nowhere is a Sunday morning Ishtar sunrise service taught in scripture
    but the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are taught.

    first passover was when God covered Adams nakedness[type of sin]
    with skins from an animal, shead blood.

    the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread was a memorial,
    ordained forever, before one word of the old covenent was spoken

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    Here's a fun video about Herbert Armstrong making millions off false prophecies that never came true.


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    Abraham is the “ father of the faithful” (see Galatians 3:7)
    If we are Christ’s we are Abraham’s children (Galatians 3:29)
    that Abraham was called on to be willing to sacrifice his only (legitimate) son (Genesis 22:2)
    For the promise, that he [Abraham] should be the heir of the world Romans 4:13

    all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory,
    belong sole to Israel (Romans 9:4).
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    Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.

    The feasts including the passover were all part of the Mosaic covenant that ended in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem:

    (Heb 8:13 KJV) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    More could be said, but you will just slither around even something as obvious as the above.
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    Here's a fun video showing actual COURT RECORDS of Armstrong being involved in sexual abuse and incest.


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    just to stickup for someone who is dead, and slandered here

    https://www.thetrumpet.com/14070-he-was-right
    or read the booklet he was right

    pdf. Herbert W. Armstrong Did NOT Commit Incest!
    http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/Mis...t%20Incest.pdf
    Last edited by prove-all; March 20th, 2017 at 12:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    Here's a fun video ]
    why not make me laught by just trying to refute the origanel o.p.

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    1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
    the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
    as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

    1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast],
    not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
    but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    This is the Lord's supper, not the passover, the original passover was part of Israel's feast timetable, Herbert mixed the Lord's supper in with the rest.

    The Lord's supper is not part of Israel's feasts, they were shadows that passed away with the old covenant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
    the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
    as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

    1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast],
    not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
    but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    This is the Lord's supper, not the passover, the original passover was part of Israel's feast timetable, Herbert mixed the Lord's supper in with the rest.

    The Lord's supper is not part of Israel's feasts, they were shadows that passed away with the old covenant.
    Jesus was crucified in the daylite portion of the passover,
    but the evening before, just after dark , they observed the passover.
    the start of the 14-the exact same time they killed the lamb in the o.t.requirement.

    he made a new testement, changed the symbols of the passover

    the name passover

    God passed over the houses that had the blood of the lamb on their doorpost.
    God also passes over (forgives) our sins when we repent of them and come
    under the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Passover, sacrificed for us.

    When the Hebrew children would ask about this service years later, the parents were
    to respond, “It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s Passover” (Exodus 12:27).
    this is God’s Passover—and God said “the fourteenth day of the first month at even
    is the Lord’s passover” (Leviticus 23:5).

    what you call the last supper is no less the passover service



    1Co 5:8 the feast day here was the first day of unleavened bread,
    the passover was the day before.

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    I used to be an Armstrongite. There are two individuals which are Armstrongites here in the forums for sure (prove-all and john832) and one other that I'm pretty sure is.

    As Ive said Herbert Armstrong likely had an incestuous relationship with his daughter. He definitely lived lavishly at the expense of the membership and was a very prideful, haughty man.

    Many Armstrongites have the same know it all nature. I found after God brought me out of it that I was abysmally ignorant while thinking I knew it all.

    My testimony describes this and I've also written a thread about being aware of Armstrongites on the forum.
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    new testement Jesus tells us to keep the passover
    Got scripture reference for that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
    the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
    as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

    1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast],
    not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
    but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    This is the Lord's supper, not the passover, the original passover was part of Israel's feast timetable, Herbert mixed the Lord's supper in with the rest.

    The Lord's supper is not part of Israel's feasts, they were shadows that passed away with the old covenant.
    The reference in Corinthians could be metaphorical but there were also Jews in the congregations in Gentile cities so even if they were observing the Sabbath and festivals it means nothing in regards to continuance. According to Acts 21 Jewish Christians continued to observe physical circumcision. You will not convince prove-all of that though. You are the blinded one and he is going to reign over you in the Millennium and thrash your backside with a rod of iron as a God being if you don't keep the festivals.
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    perhaps some should look to their 'parents' for the 'blame' for their supposed failures -
    and the heart-break that they are daily living, in and out of a church...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldethennew View Post
    perhaps some should look to their 'parents' for the 'blame' for their supposed failures -
    and the heart-break that they are daily living, in and out of a church...
    I can see Dr. Phil of Christian Chat is trying to counsel me again. I am not psychologically troubled. I do anything I can to discourage others from being misled by Armstrongite disciples. The site won't ban them so someone needs to speak against them and their loony teachings and perverted apostle/prophet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    Here's a fun video showing actual COURT RECORDS of Armstrong being involved in sexual abuse and incest.


    The most telling fact is that the normal member of the church knew NOTHING about the incest charges and Armstrong never had to answer for it before the church. He was the Apostle in the same level as the twelve apostles of Christ and there was no higher authority on Earth. To accuse him of any wrongdoing was the same as challenging God himself and would result in Church expulsion which in essence to an Armstrongite was loss of eternal life. He also claimed to be the Elijah to come who was preparing for Christs return.

    if he had denied the charges publicly Id give him the benefit of the doubt but he did not. The whole matter was virtually hidden. My mother was a member at the time and she knew nothing about it until a few years ago, same as me. We were trained basically to ignore any negative remarks like this about the church as an attack from Satan. That's how cults operate and keep people under their control.
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    But, he did publish an impressive magazine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    But, he did publish an impressive magazine.

    True....it struck fear in our minds for sure. I did like the pictures in it......

    I knew within myself something was not quite right in Denmark as they say - and that it was preaching law of some sort and not the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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    scriptures were saying.


    The Lord wants us to look through His eyes and to live from His heart towards

    people, towards Him and towards ourselves as well.

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