The Lord's Supper

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Post # 40 have been Reported. It does nothing but cause the strife and division which the mods have asked to stop.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.

Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1
 
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mailmandan

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Are you thinking of this Willie?

1 Cor 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

1 Cor 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

1 Cor 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

1 Cor 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1 Corinthians 11:29 - For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. Paul knows that the judgment of God can take on the form of physical illness and even physical death. The word "sleep" when referring to death, refers to the physical death of believers and not spiritual death (John 11:11-12; Acts 7:60; 1 Corinthians 15:6,18,20,51; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-15; 2 Peter 3:4).
 
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then you are denying what Paul stated explicitly - that some were sick and dying. there's nothing to suggest that warning (curses?) ceased to apply with that church.

many today may indeed be falling sick or dying as a result. do we really know?
Who wudda thot I'd agree with zone! (watching for storm clouds, LOL!)
 

zone

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Is that what Paul said?
Are you sure?
Read the WHOLE THING again, and determine just WHO it was that Paul was concerned about ending up not getting any food. Remember, this was an actual wholesome meal that many poor people probably really depended upon to survive. But the rich fat cats were hogging all the food. Those people weren't just meeting to let a thin communion wafer melt on their tongues, and then wash it down with a small swallow of wine.

Consider the whole scene as Paul actually described it happening there and then.
still nothing to say the curses wouldn't continue today.
 
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Post # 40 have been Reported. It does nothing but cause the strife and division which the mods have asked to stop.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.

Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1
Go right ahead. When it gets so bad I can't bring up an infraction of the rules without being banned myself, I wouldn't want to be part of such things anyway.

But, I believe the admins are smarter than that, so your huffy response means nothing to me.:)
 

Grandpa

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I think Communion is an outward showing of the inward cleansing and perfection that Christ is doing in us.

But its more than just that.

Its also showing that we aren't alone in this new thing that is happening in us. We have brothers and sisters in Christ. And all of us who are taking Communion are in agreement that we are being cleansed and perfected by the Lord Jesus Christ.

I can't really speak about the Corinthians verses about doing it in an unworthy manner. I don't understand how we could ever deserve His Love or be worthy of Him. So I just rely on the fact that He is Worthy and He Loves Us.
 
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I would like to see us address one thing right up front. Some people think the Scriptures say that if you do this meal wrong, you could die because of that mistake in proper performance or mental chastisement.

If you feel this way....... Why? Have you ever seen anyone drop dead because of this? And, to you, what IS meant by doing that ritual improperly?
Yet, there has never been any reported incident of someone falling dead from doing Communion wrong. I suspect it must be something else being spoken of. I also think the probable answer is given right there in the text.

27Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. 31But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

New International Version
That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

New Living Translation
That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died.

English Standard Version
That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

Berean Study Bible
That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

Berean Literal Bible
Because of this, many are weak and sick among you, and many are fallen asleep.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible
For this cause - On account of the improper manner of celebrating the Lord's Supper; see 1 Corinthians 11:21.Many are weak - (ἀσθενεῖς astheneis). Evidently referring to prevailing bodily sickness and disease. This is the natural and obvious interpretation of this passage. The sense clearly is, that God had sent among them bodily distempers as an expression of the divine displeasure and judgment for their improper mode of celebrating the Lord's Supper. That it was not uncommon in those times for God in an extraordinary manner to punish people with calamity, sickness, or death for their sins is evident from the New Testament; see the 1 Corinthians 5:5 note; Acts 5:1-10; Acts 13:11 notes; 1 Timothy 1:20 note; and perhaps 1 John 5:16 note; and James 5:14-15 notes. It may possibly have been the case that the intemperance and gluttony which prevailed on these occasions was the direct cause of no small part of the bodily disease which prevailed, and which in some cases terminated in death.

It's really not that hard to find a commentary & read it. I do it all the time.

What you or I think it means doesn't change a thing..... it is what it is.

Though eating & feasting was the "sin" in the context, there are many "unworthy" ways communion can be taken.

Impure motives, such as covering up premeditated unconfessed sin & not wanting to be seen as "questionable" for not taking it.

One of my pet peeves is foolish adults allowing their children to take it without first explaining it to them, degrading it as a simple tradition of the church.

Kingdom principles are ignored, while the church does what's right in their own eyes..... & we wonder why judgement first comes to the house of God.:rolleyes:
 
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Go right ahead. When it gets so bad I can't bring up an infraction of the rules without being banned myself, I wouldn't want to be part of such things anyway.

But, I believe the admins are smarter than that, so your huffy response means nothing to me.:)
You are arguing with a legalist. He knows the rules, and boy if there is an infraction
you will know about it. You do not spend you life being like this without bearing its fruits. lol
 
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Communion

As a community it gives us a tangible focus on the cross, the chore of who we are,
and the transforming work in our hearts.

When I eat the bread, I think of his body put on the cross for me, out of love, and choice,
suffering which I would run from and hide in fear of, yet He freely chose this.

When I drink the wine, I think of his life poured out in ministry, in time and effort, in
gentle words spoken to my heart and that for me it all speaks life to my soul.

And because of this I am forgiven, washed clean, made whole to sing again.

Now to dishonour this, is to dishonour our very life in Christ. So I understand both
the warning and the holiness of this ceremony.
 
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The breaking of bread ceremony is a continuation of an Old Testament ceremonial law, the Passover. It will not be fulfilled until after we receive our new bodies as the bride of Christ at the marriage super of the lamb, therefore consummating our relationship with Christ our husband.

Like all ceremonial laws to include the hair covering for women and uncovered for men, as well as the ordinance for women to be silent when believers gather together, they are used to preach the gospel and are not something we can judge one another with but are used for the messengers, angels who long to look unto salvation seeing they are not subject to it.

1 Cor 11:26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
The second time appearing not in the flesh .

For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. Luk 22:16

And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. Revelation 19:9

Again they are not something we could judge one another with.

To eat of it unworthily would be to assume that eating or drinking it is evidence a person has the Holy Spirit ,as a sign unto their own selves. The Jews sought after signs and shadows in that way before they would believe.

Ceremonial laws are shadows that point ahead to the fulfillment, of themselves they offer no value to the flesh , no profit.

Hebrews 9 reflects the usage ,the pass over (marriage super of the lamb) continues to the end as well as the ceremonial washing used when a new priest enters the ministry the Baptism by H20 and the ceremonial Sabbath .. Those three remain

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.Heb 9:9
 
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then you are denying what Paul stated explicitly - that some were sick and dying. there's nothing to suggest that warning (curses?) ceased to apply with that church.

many today may indeed be falling sick or dying as a result. do we really know?
Of course some were sick and dying..... those who were already feeble and weak from malnutrition, and were not being a part of the body of Christ, so were left hungry at these memorial meals.

As I think I have clearly said before... None of us has ever seen anyone get sick nor die from not being worthy enough to take Communion or from doing it in some unapproved manner. That reason for getting sick or dying is stated nowhere in the Bible, either.

So, that probably means that we have once again, adopted a misunderstanding of the Scriptures, and invented yet another Sacred Cow to worship as one more manmade doctrine.
 

zone

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Of course some were sick and dying..... those who were already feeble and weak from malnutrition, and were not being a part of the body of Christ, so were left hungry at these memorial meals.

As I think I have clearly said before... None of us has ever seen anyone get sick nor die from not being worthy enough to take Communion or from doing it in some unapproved manner. That reason for getting sick or dying is stated nowhere in the Bible, either.

So, that probably means that we have once again, adopted a misunderstanding of the Scriptures, and invented yet another Sacred Cow to worship as one more manmade doctrine.
O yuck. you and your anti-church ideology.
 
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Of course some were sick and dying..... those who were already feeble and weak from malnutrition, and were not being a part of the body of Christ, so were left hungry at these memorial meals.

As I think I have clearly said before... None of us has ever seen anyone get sick nor die from not being worthy enough to take Communion or from doing it in some unapproved manner. That reason for getting sick or dying is stated nowhere in the Bible, either.

So, that probably means that we have once again, adopted a misunderstanding of the Scriptures, and invented yet another Sacred Cow to worship as one more manmade doctrine.
29For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.

I can only say this..... can't you read what's written? Nothing is said about the "starving", but the ones eating.
 
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So, that probably means that we have once again, adopted a misunderstanding of the Scriptures, and invented yet another Sacred Cow to worship as one more manmade doctrine.
Paul is very straight about his statement.

So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
1 Cor 11:27-30

Why should we as loving people not take this warning seriously.
It does not harm people to recognise the power of God working in our lives and we
need to honour the temple of the Holy Spirit and His ways.
 
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O yuck. you and your anti-church ideology.
Well, you are right, there. I admit to trying to worship Jesus rather than manmade traditions.... what most of us call "church."
 
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As the people of God, we are bound to keep His word and His ways.

Why should followers of Jesus preach rebellion against His word or impute some
man made accusation against the body of Christ?
 
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Hey, if you guys think Jesus felt it was necessary to institute one more ritual to judge us on performing in an approved manner, you go right ahead and perfect your performances to try and make yourselves more worthy.

I happen to think He wanted me to remember that His sacrifice was for those people around me, and to remember that He constantly called them His Body for a reason. And, I do not think His call to "examine yourself" was meant to take a look at how pious a frame of mind we suddenly assume as we stare at that wafer in our hands, thinking of the bloody man the Catholics hang on their walls at church and in their homes.

"Remember me." I have no idea what that has come to mean to each of you. But if a friend dies in my arms at a bank robbery where he took a crook's bullet meant for me, and he asks me to remember him................ Although I will remember the sacrifice and brave act, that will not be my primary memory of Him. I will remember his life and what he stood for.... AND I will be quite mindful of him hoping one of my main focuses in life, from then on, would to be to be attentive of, and to care for, his children that he left behind.

I just cannot fathom the Jesus I adore declaring that I will be in a world of deep hurt if I fail to properly perform a ritual.... OR that I have to become worthy enough to be allowed to perform that ritual, or else He will kill me.

You guys can consider me a freak and a heretic, but I just cannot finally recover from previously thinking God was a blood thirsty OT madman and dictator, bent on destroying as many people as He could.......... and now turn right around and attempt to claim Jesus is the same kind of vindictive monster.

I am thrilled that however you understand Communion gives you the relationship with Jesus you feel you need. And I hope it always does. But I just can no longer view my Savior that way.
 
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Well said Willie...whenever a knife is held to the throat of a sacred cow that has been taught in our church teachings - then it disturbs people and they react to it.

I understand that as I have done that myself many times when the Lord showed me things that were contrary to my church teachings.
 

zone

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you guys have a lot of guts talking about the Lord's Supper that way.
 
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you guys have a lot of guts talking about the Lord's Supper that way.
Thank you. I know Jesus also appreciates it when we see Him as He kept telling us He was.... and stand up for Him against misunderstood developments of church traditions.