Are prophecies always written in the order they will happen?

Dan_473 · Mar 21, 2017

hi everyone!

an example

ISAIAH 40:1 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God.
ISAIAH 40:2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and cry to her that her warfare is ended, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received from the LORD's hand double for all her sins.
ISAIAH 40:3 A voice cries: In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. (ESV)

Jerusalem's warfare is ended before the voice in the wilderness, which Matthew connects with John the Baptist.

so I'm thinking that no, prophecies are not always written in the order they will happen.

your thoughts?

Stunnedbygrace · Mar 21, 2017

I agree. And in addition, some of them strangely jump backwards in time, forward to the future and then backwards again! You just don't see it until it is fulfilled in parts and then you can say, ah, this happened...but wait, this hasn't happened yet, but wait, this now has happened...it's very strange!

Bladerunner · Mar 21, 2017

Dan_473 said:

You are right, they are not... You have (Major) Prophets, (Minor) Prophets and Divine Prophecies. One of the first Prophets was God Himself.

Divine Prophecy: The Crucifixion and the End of Satan.

Genesis 3:15..."And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

!st Prophecy by Man (ENOCH)....The 2nd Coming of Christ.....and His judgement on Mankind.

Jude 14-15...."And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

There is another type of Prophecy are Divine Design of the Bible.......Genesis Chap 5: The Genealogy of ADAM through Noah.

I'll leave you to look up the names an verify this, but the prophecy simply states: Man (is) appointed sorrows ,(but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching His death shall bring (the) Despairing Comfort, rest

Hope this answers your Question?

Desertsrose · Mar 21, 2017

Stunnedbygrace said:

And some are a dual prophecy. As an example:

Joel 2:29-32
“ It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
“Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
The Day of the Lord
“I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
“The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.
“And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Acts 2:17-21
‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,‘That I will pour forth of MY Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
Even on MY bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of MY Spirit
And they shall prophesy.
‘And I will grant wonders in the sky above
And signs on the earth below,
Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.
‘The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.
‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

The 1st half is fulfilled, but the second half is future when our Lord returns.

I have studied some of the prophets inductively with a Kay Arthur bible study and that's the only way I've begun to understand prophecy.

valiant · Mar 21, 2017

Dan_473 said:

But her warfare was ended at that time. Past judgment was completed. John the Baptist came then offering the Messiah. The fall of Jerusalem was a new judgment resulting from their rejection of Him.

valiant · Mar 21, 2017

Desertsrose said:

And some are a dual prophecy. As an example:

Joel 2:29-32
“ It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
“Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
The Day of the Lord
“I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
“The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.
“And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Acts 2:17-21
‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,‘That I will pour forth of MY Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
Even on MY bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of MY Spirit
And they shall prophesy.
‘And I will grant wonders in the sky above
And signs on the earth below,
Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.
‘The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.
‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

The 1st half is fulfilled, but the second half is future when our Lord returns.

I have studied some of the prophets inductively with a Kay Arthur bible study and that's the only way I've begun to understand prophecy.

But the underlined prophecies were also fulfilled in part. At the crucifixion the sun was turned into darkness and the moon into blood, as Peter recognised. The great and terrible day of the Lord could have come at any time. The fact that the prophetic fulfillment would be repeated at the end of the age does not alter that.,

valiant · Mar 21, 2017

Bladerunner said:

You are right, they are not... You have (Major) Prophets, (Minor) Prophets and Divine Prophecies. One of the first Prophets was God Himself.

Divine Prophecy: The Crucifixion and the End of Satan.

Genesis 3:15..."And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

!st Prophecy by Man (ENOCH)....The 2nd Coming of Christ.....and His judgement on Mankind.

Jude 14-15...."And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

There is another type of Prophecy are Divine Design of the Bible.......Genesis Chap 5: The Genealogy of ADAM through Noah.

I'll leave you to look up the names an verify this, but the prophecy simply states: Man (is) appointed sorrows ,(but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching His death shall bring (the) Despairing Comfort, rest

Hope this answers your Question?

The book of Enoch is not mentioned throughout Scripture which would not have been possible if it had REALLY been by Enoch. It is in fact a late Jewish pseudepigrapha written by the Jews in the intertestamental period and in no way Scripture.

Yahshua · Mar 21, 2017

Dan_473 said:

I believe there are two dimensions to God's prophecy: they're "multi-layered", but "scheduled".

Because God doesn't exist linearly but eternally (was, is, will be) I believe when he prophesies poetically about a subject he's speaking about that subject from all points in time at once, so he covers every layer that is happening and will happen to that subject, which may not be at the same instances in time. So to us (who are linear beings) it seems out of order.

For example, when God was prophesying about Israel he was talking about:

- Israel (the man, Jacob in his time)
- Israel (the kingdom, in their time)
- Israel (Christ, his firstborn in his time)
- Israel (the modern state of, presently)
- Israel (the Church / children of God / Body of Christ, spiritually)

...each "Israel" above is true, so God was talking about one, and is talking about another, and has been talking about yet another...all at the same time. So some elements of prophecies concerning Israel may applying to one or the other "Israel", or all of them.

However, when he gives a prophecy complete with mathematical time frames (or calendar schedules) of a specific event, that event will play out in the order God has provided at the specific time designated.

A perfect example of these dimensions playing out is Daniel's 70th week prophecy...

God gave a specific mathematical timeframe (i.e. schedule) of events...however, because there are multiple "Israels" the prophecy actually applies more than once. And if multiple "Israels" exist at the same time then the prophecy is layered for multiple fulfillment. I think this is why God gave us the "a day for a year" and "what has been is what will be" principles when trying to understanding prophecy:

- Israel the nation was given 70 Weeks (490 year) before destruction, so likewise...

- Israel (Christ, the firstborn) had 70 Weeks (490 days) to complete his ministry before death...which interestingly began in the 70th week of the nation's time frame.

- Then the state of Israel is almost in its 70th year of existence in May, which - if "trouble" erupts - would fulfill Jeremiah's original 70 year prophecy that Daniel was studying.

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So if we liken God's prophecy to a grand clock; God's prophecies can have several "gears" (i.e. several layers) moving independently...but each gear *must* tick through its unique set of "teeth" *specifically in order* (i.e. schedule)...but as far as God is concerned, all he had to do was say "let the grand clock be" once (and then men wrote it down). I believe this is why Christ said we can't toss out any of scripture until *everything* is finished.

Matthew 5:18
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

OwzK · Mar 21, 2017

Well, I'm not sure. I mean if you time travel like dr. who then prophecies aren't always written in the order that they'll happen. Because it'll go back and fourth as you go.

Johnny_B · Mar 21, 2017

There are peaks and valleys in prophecy, then you have a view that my best explanation is an onward look, it looks like a washer for a nut & bolt set, but the side view looks like a 50 cent piece and a dime, separated and centered. To answer your question, no they don't, go in order. A good book to start is "How to Read the Bible for All it's Worth" by Gordon D. Fee and Douglas Stuart. If you really want to get deep, there is the, Second Coming Bible, Encyclopedia of Biblical Prophecy by J. Barton Payne and The Typology of Scripture by Patrick Fairbanks.

Don't look to the nightly news to find interpretation for a prophecy or try to find America in it either.

Dan_473 · Mar 21, 2017

Bladerunner said:

You are right, they are not... You have (Major) Prophets, (Minor) Prophets and Divine Prophecies. One of the first Prophets was God Himself.

Divine Prophecy: The Crucifixion and the End of Satan.

Genesis 3:15..."And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

!st Prophecy by Man (ENOCH)....The 2nd Coming of Christ.....and His judgement on Mankind.

Jude 14-15...."And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

There is another type of Prophecy are Divine Design of the Bible.......Genesis Chap 5: The Genealogy of ADAM through Noah.

I'll leave you to look up the names an verify this, but the prophecy simply states: Man (is) appointed sorrows ,(but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching His death shall bring (the) Despairing Comfort, rest

Hope this answers your Question?

yes, that answers my question... and in a way I hadn't thought of... thank you

Dan_473 · Mar 21, 2017

Desertsrose said:

And some are a dual prophecy. As an example:

Joel 2:29-32
“ It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
“Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
The Day of the Lord
“I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
“The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.
“And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Acts 2:17-21
‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,‘That I will pour forth of MY Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
Even on MY bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of MY Spirit
And they shall prophesy.
‘And I will grant wonders in the sky above
And signs on the earth below,
Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.
‘The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.
‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

The 1st half is fulfilled, but the second half is future when our Lord returns.

I have studied some of the prophets inductively with a Kay Arthur bible study and that's the only way I've begun to understand prophecy.

yes, I agree with that, too

if I were just reading Joel, I wouldn't know there was a gap of thousands of years.

dcontroversal · Mar 21, 2017

Well....Genesis 3:15....the first prophetic utterance concerning the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent.....Well before the first prophetic utterance of the birth of said SEED, and when did or does the seed of the woman crush the head of the seed of the serpent????

Just a point to ponder.....

Johnny_B · Mar 21, 2017

Yahshua said:

I love the use of Matthew 5:18 for relating to prophecy.

I want to mention a book by Sir Robert Anderson, it is either "The Coming Prince" or "The Lord from Heaven" it'll take you to the end of the 62th week of the 70 weeks of Daniel. It brakes down to the day when Jesus fulfilled this prophecy. Daniel 9:24-26b "Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times. And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;"

From the day that the decree was made for the Jews to go back to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and the Temple, until the triumphal entry of Jesus, where He said "because you did not know the time of your visitation." at the end of Luke 19:44. Was exactly 173,880 days, which is 483 years, using the 360 day year that the Jew used or still use, to the day of His crucifixion. It's been more than a few years since I read it so I'm more than likely messing somethings up. But it's another proof that the Lord is behind prophecy.

Bladerunner · Mar 21, 2017

valiant said:

I did not say anything about the Book of Enoch...He(Enoch) was a man first before he walked with God. And He was a prophet no less than any of the other prophets.

Look to Book of Jude 14-15 for the passage I quoted.

Have a great day Sir.

Blade

Bladerunner · Mar 21, 2017

Yahshua said:

I believe there are two dimensions to God's prophecy: they're "multi-layered", but "scheduled".

Because God doesn't exist linearly but eternally (was, is, will be) I believe when he prophesies poetically about a subject he's speaking about that subject from all points in time at once, so he covers every layer that is happening and will happen to that subject, which may not be at the same instances in time. So to us (who are linear beings) it seems out of order.

For example, when God was prophesying about Israel he was talking about:

- Israel (the man, Jacob in his time)
- Israel (the kingdom, in their time)
- Israel (Christ, his firstborn in his time)
- Israel (the modern state of, presently)
- Israel (the Church / children of God / Body of Christ, spiritually)

...each "Israel" above is true, so God was talking about one, and is talking about another, and has been talking about yet another...all at the same time. So some elements of prophecies concerning Israel may applying to one or the other "Israel", or all of them.

However, when he gives a prophecy complete with mathematical time frames (or calendar schedules) of a specific event, that event will play out in the order God has provided at the specific time designated.

A perfect example of these dimensions playing out is Daniel's 70th week prophecy...

God gave a specific mathematical timeframe (i.e. schedule) of events...however, because there are multiple "Israels" the prophecy actually applies more than once. And if multiple "Israels" exist at the same time then the prophecy is layered for multiple fulfillment. I think this is why God gave us the "a day for a year" and "what has been is what will be" principles when trying to understanding prophecy:

- Israel the nation was given 70 Weeks (490 year) before destruction, so likewise...

- Israel (Christ, the firstborn) had 70 Weeks (490 days) to complete his ministry before death...which interestingly began in the 70th week of the nation's time frame.

- Then the state of Israel is almost in its 70th year of existence in May, which - if "trouble" erupts - would fulfill Jeremiah's original 70 year prophecy that Daniel was studying.

---

So if we liken God's prophecy to a grand clock; God's prophecies can have several "gears" (i.e. several layers) moving independently...but each gear *must* tick through its unique set of "teeth" *specifically in order* (i.e. schedule)...but as far as God is concerned, all he had to do was say "let the grand clock be" once (and then men wrote it down). I believe this is why Christ said we can't toss out any of scripture until *everything* is finished.

Matthew 5:18
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

There was a Jewish Rabbi who stated/predicted that there was as many a ten dimensions mentioned in the Bible.. I have been told our scientist have confirmed at least 6. One of these dimensions shows up in Balaam and His Donkey. Jesus showed up out of nowhere and blocked the road. The thing is that only the Donkey saw it. So there are two more dimensions represented here. The three dimensions that Man can see plus one dimension that neither Balaam or his Donkey can see and one dimension that only the donkey can see. see Numbers 22:21-38

BUT what would expect from a GOD!

ast------------Pre-::-sent-------------Future-: God can see it all.

JaumeJ · Mar 22, 2017

In response to the title only.

When understood they are put in order by the Holy Spirit. All who believe know they do not have the schedule of all events, but when it comes time to actually know, the Holy Spirit will let us know.....

Dan_473 · Mar 22, 2017

valiant said:

which time do you mean for 'at that time'?

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