Uncertainty in the prophetic

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Blain

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I am having a kind of dilemma and I know that there are several people who frequent the bible discussion forum who have more insight and understanding than I do so I am hoping I might have some good help here.

I was going on my walk today talking to God as I normally do and since it's spring it was beautiful and the perfect temperature the breeze was gentle and felt nice petals were flying in the wind from the trees last flowers blooming before they turn into leaves and it was simply peaceful. It was then when i was talking to God about beautiful and peaceful it is that I for some reason recalled all the devastation I have seen and dreamed about since I became a Christian.

I have seen massive missiles raining down and exploding destroying everything I have seen what looked like the apocalypse where the blood was so soaked in blood that you couldn't even see a single blade of green grass and demons running loose slaughtering people in anguish and agony I have seen a giant asteroid crash into earth destroying all power and electricity I have seen the rapture happen more times than I can count and much more as well.

I have never had a sense of when this stuff would happen or how close they are but I was a lot of them so it stands to reason it's in my lifetime but looking at how peaceful and beautiful everything was today I simply couldn't believe any of this would happen anytime soon. I know that God showed me these things for a reason i doubt he would show me them if he didn't trust me to not misuse them and deep down I somehow know they are all coming very soon unexpectedly and suddenly without warning even though I myself cannot seem to grasp it or believe it almost like the certainty of them coming and how quickly and suddenly they will happen is an inner voice that isn't my own.

Honestly I don't even know what kind of help I am seeking in this thread but I am at a point right now where I am uncertain about these things like how much of them are even spoken of in scripture why did he show me these things and are they really all that close to happening?
 

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I am having a kind of dilemma and I know that there are several people who frequent the bible discussion forum who have more insight and understanding than I do so I am hoping I might have some good help here.

I was going on my walk today talking to God as I normally do and since it's spring it was beautiful and the perfect temperature the breeze was gentle and felt nice petals were flying in the wind from the trees last flowers blooming before they turn into leaves and it was simply peaceful. It was then when i was talking to God about beautiful and peaceful it is that I for some reason recalled all the devastation I have seen and dreamed about since I became a Christian.

I have seen massive missiles raining down and exploding destroying everything I have seen what looked like the apocalypse where the blood was so soaked in blood that you couldn't even see a single blade of green grass and demons running loose slaughtering people in anguish and agony I have seen a giant asteroid crash into earth destroying all power and electricity I have seen the rapture happen more times than I can count and much more as well.

I have never had a sense of when this stuff would happen or how close they are but I was a lot of them so it stands to reason it's in my lifetime but looking at how peaceful and beautiful everything was today I simply couldn't believe any of this would happen anytime soon. I know that God showed me these things for a reason i doubt he would show me them if he didn't trust me to not misuse them and deep down I somehow know they are all coming very soon unexpectedly and suddenly without warning even though I myself cannot seem to grasp it or believe it almost like the certainty of them coming and how quickly and suddenly they will happen is an inner voice that isn't my own.

Honestly I don't even know what kind of help I am seeking in this thread but I am at a point right now where I am uncertain about these things like how much of them are even spoken of in scripture why did he show me these things and are they really all that close to happening?
***yes, they are going to happen---how soon, we don't know---that's why we should tell people to be prepared for the Lord's coming and not to be deceived by this present world system...
 
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Miri

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The following verses came to mind

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11 NKJV
[1] But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I
should write to you. [2] For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord
so comes as a thief in the night. [3] For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then
sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.

And they shall not escape. [4] But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this
Day should overtake you as a thief. [5] You are all sons of light and sons of the day.
We are not of the night nor of darkness. [6] Therefore let us not sleep, as others do,
but let us watch and be sober. [7] For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who
get drunk are drunk at night.

[8] But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and
love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. [9] For God did not appoint us to
wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, [10] who died for us,
that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. [11] Therefore
comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
 

Blain

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The day of Lord coming as a thief in the night and sudden destruction as well, I suppose that might make sense why I fell that it will all come suddenly and without warning i had not thought of that verse at all. Perhaps the fact that it seems to beautiful and peaceful and that things will continue on like this is all the more reason to believe that it suddenly change like that? After all sudden destruction doesn't exactly announce it's coming does it?

But what is the day of Lord exactly? is it simply his wrath on the earth?
 
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Yes...
mentioned over '30' times in the OT, with the 'theme' always being 'God's Wrath'...
 

notuptome

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Prophets are those who foretell events. In Israel if they were proven inaccurate they were stoned to death. If they spoke anything that contradicted the previous prophets they were stoned as well.

Better lines of work are readily available with much better retirement plans.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Locutus

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Some might get a chill Blain after reading this.
 

valiant

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I am having a kind of dilemma and I know that there are several people who frequent the bible discussion forum who have more insight and understanding than I do so I am hoping I might have some good help here.

I was going on my walk today talking to God as I normally do and since it's spring it was beautiful and the perfect temperature the breeze was gentle and felt nice petals were flying in the wind from the trees last flowers blooming before they turn into leaves and it was simply peaceful. It was then when i was talking to God about beautiful and peaceful it is that I for some reason recalled all the devastation I have seen and dreamed about since I became a Christian.

I have seen massive missiles raining down and exploding destroying everything I have seen what looked like the apocalypse where the blood was so soaked in blood that you couldn't even see a single blade of green grass and demons running loose slaughtering people in anguish and agony I have seen a giant asteroid crash into earth destroying all power and electricity I have seen the rapture happen more times than I can count and much more as well.

I have never had a sense of when this stuff would happen or how close they are but I was a lot of them so it stands to reason it's in my lifetime but looking at how peaceful and beautiful everything was today I simply couldn't believe any of this would happen anytime soon. I know that God showed me these things for a reason i doubt he would show me them if he didn't trust me to not misuse them and deep down I somehow know they are all coming very soon unexpectedly and suddenly without warning even though I myself cannot seem to grasp it or believe it almost like the certainty of them coming and how quickly and suddenly they will happen is an inner voice that isn't my own.

Honestly I don't even know what kind of help I am seeking in this thread but I am at a point right now where I am uncertain about these things like how much of them are even spoken of in scripture why did he show me these things and are they really all that close to happening?
much of it has happened many times through history.
 
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The day of Lord coming as a thief in the night and sudden destruction as well, I suppose that might make sense why I fell that it will all come suddenly and without warning i had not thought of that verse at all. Perhaps the fact that it seems to beautiful and peaceful and that things will continue on like this is all the more reason to believe that it suddenly change like that? After all sudden destruction doesn't exactly announce it's coming does it? But what is the day of Lord exactly? is it simply his wrath on the earth?
That's exactly what it is. It's when the Lord intervenes into our world, into the affairs of mankind. It means that the Lord is coming back to roll this whole place up like a scroll. It can be scary to think about. But at least that day shouldn't take Bible people by surprise. And I think that it should be talked about because the mental or psychological preparation is just as important as the physical.

Luke says that men's hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming on the world. But not Bible People. Because if I am sitting here while people are saying "peace and safety" and then fire falls from the sky and burns up a third of the earth, a third of the the trees and all the green grass, I'm going to know EXACTLY what is going on. I'm going to be lifting up my head, because I'll know that my redemption is drawing near.

And like what you said, I also think that they're coming soon.

But prophet I am definitely NOT.

So fear not and be of good cheer.
 

Blain

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Prophets are those who foretell events. In Israel if they were proven inaccurate they were stoned to death. If they spoke anything that contradicted the previous prophets they were stoned as well.

Better lines of work are readily available with much better retirement plans.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I claim nothing of the sort I am not a prophet nor am I any one thing for God i am whatever he desires at any given time or point whether that is a prophet a servant a teacher a healer or anything else, also I am only asking for understanding of what has been shown. Another thing is in the old testament yes they were shown future events but a Prophet is not a fortune teller a prophet is to encourage and build up the people the prophet is the one who speaks God's heart who ignites that flame and the prophet while may have visions and dreams is the one who hears what God says and speaks it to the people.
 

Blain

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Some might get a chill Blain after reading this.
Believe it or not I have been shown much worse things stuff that is to come that doesn't even belong in a horror film but i have been shown amazing things to come as well. I did not seek dreams and visions nor did i seek prophecy and in fact for the longest time i wanted nothing to do with the rapture or the end times but God continued to show me these things.

I am not afraid of what is to come regardless if the rapture comes before or after the tribulation, for a long while now I have spoken these words that were placed on my heart- a time is coming and is here even now when the wheat and the chaff will be separated the sheep and the wolves will be seen clearly and known for who and what they are the Christians by heart and christians by title will be exposed and a giant storm the likes of which this world has never seen is rapidly approaching a storm of darkness and blood and it appears to many to be far away as if they are looking through a telescope the wrong way when in fact it is dangerously close and at our doors and if our hearts are not prepared then none shall stand.

I don't know where these words came from as i have never heard them before but when i am lead to speak them i know with 100% certainly exactly how true they are, bible prophecy is in fact my favorite subject to discuss research and study but for the most part I only know to seek after love and to deepen the bond with God, i believe this is how we are to prepare our hearts for what is to come however it comes. The best advice God ever gave me is to seek love above all other things and then everything else will fall into place
 

Blain

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much of it has happened many times through history.
Bible prophecy like history often repeats itself, many times prophecy happens several times before it is truly fulfilled these are foreshadows of what is to come
 
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I personally believe that we are at the door......yes no one can know for sure, but many things are all happening at once and it seems it will all hit at the same time......

The Pope opening up the Vatican for Islamic prayers (last three have bowed to the Koran and this one probably the false prophet)

The rise of radical Islam and the soon revealing of the 12th IMAM/MADHI who is the 1st Beast of Revelation in my view

The alignment of Russia with three Islamic Allies especially Syria<--Now talking to Russia to help in upcoming war with Israel

The rise of China who plans to sweep South Pacific as Russia sweeps Europe and the U.S.

The demise of the U.S. and your DREAM is a reality and biblically predicted though rejected, denied and just flat ignored by many

The world reserve currency failing and about to crash combined with the largest debt in world history by any given nation

The push for peace and the division of Israel

etc.....ALL these things will hit at the same time (suddenly) and it will be Katy bar the door.......
 

maxwel

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I claim nothing of the sort I am not a prophet nor am I any one thing for God i am whatever he desires at any given time or point whether that is a prophet a servant a teacher a healer or anything else, also I am only asking for understanding of what has been shown. Another thing is in the old testament yes they were shown future events but a Prophet is not a fortune teller a prophet is to encourage and build up the people the prophet is the one who speaks God's heart who ignites that flame and the prophet while may have visions and dreams is the one who hears what God says and speaks it to the people.
Yeah, well, in the Old Testament a prophet actually was pretty much a fortune teller.

They foretold the future... I think we're all aware of that.


And Blain, it's not good form to tell us a vision foretelling the future, and put the word "prophetic" right in your title... and then immediately claim you're NOT a prophet.

I claim nothing of the sort I am not a prophet

It's probably best to just say you ARE a prophet (and deal with the consequences) or say you're NOT a prophet (and stop giving out prophetic visions about the future).
You need to pick one.
It's entirely nonsensical to share your prophetic visions about the future, then use the word "prophetic" right in the title, and then immediately deny you're a prophet.

You CAN be a prophet, OR not be a prophet.
But you CANNOT be a prophet AND not be a prophet at the same time.
You need to pick one.
 

sharkwhales

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Something to understand about prophecy in general is that it is sometimes conditional; it is sometimes illuminating a possible future so that people can make choices with foreknowledge and perhaps alter the course.

Regarding the end of the age where the world will be changed so much that the world as we know it ends, I believe that is certain. But how and when it will happen may not be certain. Jesus said "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." So perhaps it isn't certain that it will happen in your lifetime.

In that case, what is the purpose of these experiences? It may be something meant to cleave you from the world so that you connect more to God, more to heaven and to what is to come, rather than what is.

If the prophecy is coming from God then it will have, on some level, a positive effect on your relationship with God and your ability to serve God.

On the other hand there could be another purpose, if the prophecy comes by another spirit and not from the Holy Spirit. It may be attempting to isolate you and cut you off from people and the world, so that you don't minister to them. It may be trying to draw your focus on the negative in some way. The enemy has many counterfeits that he uses to manipulate people, and visions of disaster are not exclusive to christianity; other religions have recorded visions of disaster.

However even very negative things can serve a purpose if it is coming from God. I heard of a preacher who was struck with terrible sadness and couldn't stop crying for several days. No one knew why; then some time later an entire bus of local children was destroyed and everyone was distraught, but he was able to be strong. He said it was his belief that God gave him the mourning in advance, so that he could be strong for everyone else.

You say you've also seen amazing (good?) things, so that's a good sign. I would take these things to God and ask what they mean. Many prophetic experiences are mystifying because we're not supposed to understand it ourselves, but like everything we are supposed to get help from God. This way the knowledge doesn't puff up our identity, but it catalyzes our relationship with God, which is where we find an identity that is greater than all the worst disasters or greatest miracles.

After all, missing out on that relationship would be a greater disaster, and having it is a greater miracle than anything else. Bless you brother.
 

Johnny_B

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If you don't have an interpretation for them, I would waste much time on them. Just remember if it isn't in Scripture, don't put much weight on it. I remember going a time in my walk with the Lord where I was into the end times and was always trying to figure out what was going to happen. Then this verse summed it up for me.

2 Peter 3:14-18 "Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you are like the people being spoken of here. What I am trying to say is that when I was in a time in my walk with the Lord, there were somethings I didn't understand and verse 18 made me realize that if I grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus, it's glory to Him, today and until
[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif]eternity, which is much better than trying to figure out what something that I don't understand right now means. In due time the Lord will let you know what those things mean or they will fade away.[/FONT]
 
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I have seen massive missiles raining down and exploding destroying everything...
With all due respect, what you are describing is a distraction and is nothing compared to what is going on at this very moment.

It's not missiles you should be concerned about.

Study Scripture to find out what really makes God angry.

There is always this one thing that causes him to be pushed over the edge and it's happening NOW...

2 Chronicles 33:9

"So Manasseh made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to err, and to do worse than the heathen, whom the LORD had destroyed before the children of Israel"

What was this 'final straw' that broke the camels back?

2 Chronicles 33:7
"And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever"


Do you understand?

We're not talking Virgin Mary statues here.

Honestly, missiles raining down would be preferable to the reality which is...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
 

Blain

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Yeah, well, in the Old Testament a prophet actually was pretty much a fortune teller.

They foretold the future... I think we're all aware of that.


And Blain, it's not good form to tell us a vision foretelling the future, and put the word "prophetic" right in your title... and then immediately claim you're NOT a prophet.




It's probably best to just say you ARE a prophet (and deal with the consequences) or say you're NOT a prophet (and stop giving out prophetic visions about the future).
You need to pick one.
It's entirely nonsensical to share your prophetic visions about the future, then use the word "prophetic" right in the title, and then immediately deny you're a prophet.

You CAN be a prophet, OR not be a prophet.
But you CANNOT be a prophet AND not be a prophet at the same time.
You need to pick one.
I claim not to be a prophet because like i said i am not any one thing for God i am whatever he desires at any given time. Yes i walk in the gift of a prophet but that is not my identity as e believer I am that I am.
 

BenFTW

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Maybe its simply to remind you of the priorities you should have, as you conduct yourself daily? Its like God is revealing these things to you, possibly, and its a simple reminder that there is work to be done.
 

Zmouth

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I claim not to be a prophet because like i said i am not any one thing for God i am whatever he desires at any given time. Yes i walk in the gift of a prophet but that is not my identity as e believer I am that I am.
Not really sure that having thoughts, or thinking is what constitutes prophesy yet it seems kinda a mute point since it is written that the law and the prophets were until John: (Luke 16:16). However, the role of the Prophet is clearly set forth in Exodus 7:1 as a servant of the God man, or King. Which is the reason that the law and the prophets were until John.

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Ex 7:1

So walking in the gift then you should know which John that the LORD was speaking of, but at least you have three choices since it could have been John the Baptist who was born to Elizabeth or it could have been his own Apostle Mark. Since it would be rude of me to set the three choices before you, I will let you use the third choice for whom you choose since that is the way you prophets roll isn't it?

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1 Cor 14:29-33


Regarding the end of the age where the world will be changed so much that the world as we know it ends, I believe that is certain. But how and when it will happen may not be certain. Jesus said "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." So perhaps it isn't certain that it will happen in your lifetime.

For GOD so loved the world
that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever should believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

That ought to give a big clue to those eternal lifers who didn't get a reply to their question to the LORD regarding when he was going to burn this place up. Especially consider that the word of the LORD is forever settled in heaven (Genesis 6:3)