old testament and new testament covenants and commandment...what does God want?

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beta asked me if I'd like to talk about obedience to God's commandments

I agreed but also I just hope that we can agree...or at least debate calmly
without putting each other down...

we are all at different levels of understanding

I may know genesis better than beta but beta knows the whole NT better than me for example

does that make him better than me...no

we are children of the Almighty God and we serve him not each other

now I'm going to cut this short because I need a break....I stayed up late last night

okay...I will start the topic with question..what are all the old testament covenents
of God....as I'd really like to know in summary...as with everything... because this can get long

what are the new testament covenants... for the ones that stayed the same ... what was added or what changed

same with all the commandments of the old and new testament...

and lastly I have a quote

Joshua 5:15 (maybe off topic) And the Captain of he LORD's host said unto Johsua
Loose your shoe from off your foot; the place where you stand is Hold.

Jesus said there is only one God and that is God

now I believe the same for the word "HOLY"

but is the "Captain of the Lord's Host" Jesus and the "LORD" Our Heavenly Father Jehova?
yes I believe in the trinity for Jesus said...I am in Him and He is in me.. John 1:1 says...the "WORD" (Jesus the living Word) was with God and was God. and Holy Spirit...goes back to wha I said about "good" and "HOLY"

but the question is ...in context the "Captain" held a "sword drawn" why did Jesus as I suppose have to show up on the scene.... he needed only say to Joshua through the sky or in his heart....attack and yet God was on the scene? why?
(it seemed it could've been a vision...was it?)

whatever the covenant as it I don't exactly recall...? does all the covenents God gives in the old testament and new testament stand for this age..or if they are changed why?

okay I'll stop there...I hope for feedback on this broad topic
 

Bladerunner

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#2
beta asked me if I'd like to talk about obedience to God's commandments

I agreed but also I just hope that we can agree...or at least debate calmly
without putting each other down...

we are all at different levels of understanding

I may know genesis better than beta but beta knows the whole NT better than me for example

does that make him better than me...no

we are children of the Almighty God and we serve him not each other

now I'm going to cut this short because I need a break....I stayed up late last night

okay...I will start the topic with question..what are all the old testament covenents
of God....as I'd really like to know in summary...as with everything... because this can get long

what are the new testament covenants... for the ones that stayed the same ... what was added or what changed

There are 5 covenants throughout the Bible. OT>>Noah, Abraham, Moses, David.......NT>> Jesus Christ


same with all the commandments of the old and new testament...

and lastly I have a quote

Joshua 5:15 (maybe off topic) And the Captain of he LORD's host said unto Johsua
Loose your shoe from off your foot; the place where you stand is Hold.

Jesus said there is only one God and that is God..

now I believe the same for the word "HOLY"

but is the "Captain of the Lord's Host" Jesus and the "LORD" Our Heavenly Father Jehova?
yes I believe in the trinity for Jesus said...I am in Him and He is in me.. John 1:1 says...the "WORD" (Jesus the living Word) was with God and was God. and Holy Spirit...goes back to wha I said about "good" and "HOLY"

Jesus ."as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come"..

but the question is ...in context the "Captain" held a "sword drawn" why did Jesus as I suppose have to show up on the scene.... he needed only say to Joshua through the sky or in his heart....attack and yet God was on the scene? why?
(it seemed it could've been a vision...was it?)

Jesus was there to lay the walls down

whatever the covenant as it I don't exactly recall...? does all the covenents God gives in the old testament and new testament stand for this age..or if they are changed why?

All the covenants for Noah, Abraham, Moses and David are still valid IF and only IF one accepts the Covenant of Jesus.

okay I'll stop there...I hope for feedback on this broad topic

Hope this helps, tried to keep it short on such a broad topic.

have a blessed day
Blade
 
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Magenta

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#3
I may know genesis better than beta but beta knows the whole NT better than me for example

does that make him better than me...no

we are children of the Almighty God and we serve him not each other
Beta is a woman :) We serve God by serving others. My .02 :)
 

Desertsrose

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#4
beta asked me if I'd like to talk about obedience to God's commandments

I agreed but also I just hope that we can agree...or at least debate calmly
without putting each other down...

we are all at different levels of understanding

I may know genesis better than beta but beta knows the whole NT better than me for example

does that make him better than me...no

we are children of the Almighty God and we serve him not each other

now I'm going to cut this short because I need a break....I stayed up late last night

okay...I will start the topic with question..what are all the old testament covenents
of God....as I'd really like to know in summary...as with everything... because this can get long

what are the new testament covenants... for the ones that stayed the same ... what was added or what changed

same with all the commandments of the old and new testament...

and lastly I have a quote

Joshua 5:15 (maybe off topic) And the Captain of he LORD's host said unto Johsua
Loose your shoe from off your foot; the place where you stand is Hold.

Jesus said there is only one God and that is God

now I believe the same for the word "HOLY"

but is the "Captain of the Lord's Host" Jesus and the "LORD" Our Heavenly Father Jehova?
yes I believe in the trinity for Jesus said...I am in Him and He is in me.. John 1:1 says...the "WORD" (Jesus the living Word) was with God and was God. and Holy Spirit...goes back to wha I said about "good" and "HOLY"

but the question is ...in context the "Captain" held a "sword drawn" why did Jesus as I suppose have to show up on the scene.... he needed only say to Joshua through the sky or in his heart....attack and yet God was on the scene? why?
(it seemed it could've been a vision...was it?)

whatever the covenant as it I don't exactly recall...? does all the covenents God gives in the old testament and new testament stand for this age..or if they are changed why?

okay I'll stop there...I hope for feedback on this broad topic
I believe that Joshua needed some serious encouragement. Moses has passed away as their leader who was a type of Christ.

Joshua probably felt inadequate and alone.

In the space of three verses God tells him to be strong and courageous. I think he needed some encouragement, don't you? So the encouragement he receives is that the Lord will be with him wherever he went.

Joshua 1:6-9
Be strong and courageous, for you shall give this people possession of the land which I swore to their fathers to give them. Only be strong and very courageous; be careful to do according to all the law which Moses My servant commanded you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, so that you may have success wherever you go. This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success. Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous! Do not tremble or be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”

The sword reminds me of the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. The sword kind of carries with it the authority of God as do the scriptures.

There's only one New Covenant which is the promise He spoke to Abraham and confirmed it through Isaac and Jacob and the prophets.

Also, you've got way too many questions for one post. As this thread moseys along you could ask 1 or 2 questions and keep asking as the thread continues. In other words, ask a question, get it answered and then ask another.
 

JaumeJ

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God wants us all to be perfect, simple. He began that work in us when we repented and came to believe Jesus Christ..they come together.

God also wants us to be Holy,.

Since God wants us to e perfect and holy I have determined that these two of His great desires though they appear to be commandments, they are promises. And God always keeps His promise.

Why do you suppose I have determined they are promises? Again, simple, because God knows we can never be perfect or holy without Jesus Christ dwelling in us-

For me this is just a great, an enormous praise God. I hope my melody does not offend those who do not like my tone.
 

MadebyHim

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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37
 

p_rehbein

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Brevity as asked for:

1st Covenant: The Law

New Covenant: Grace

These are the ONLY Two Covenants that have anything to do with the Church today. One reveals the History of the Church, the other reveals the Future of the Church. All else is ................
 
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1 John 4:10
King James Version(KJV)

10.)Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
 
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FreeNChrist

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beta asked me if I'd like to talk about obedience to God's commandments

I agreed but also I just hope that we can agree...or at least debate calmly
without putting each other down...

we are all at different levels of understanding

I may know genesis better than beta but beta knows the whole NT better than me for example

does that make him better than me...no

we are children of the Almighty God and we serve him not each other

now I'm going to cut this short because I need a break....I stayed up late last night

okay...I will start the topic with question..what are all the old testament covenents
of God....as I'd really like to know in summary...as with everything... because this can get long

what are the new testament covenants... for the ones that stayed the same ... what was added or what changed

same with all the commandments of the old and new testament...

and lastly I have a quote

Joshua 5:15 (maybe off topic) And the Captain of he LORD's host said unto Johsua
Loose your shoe from off your foot; the place where you stand is Hold.

Jesus said there is only one God and that is God

now I believe the same for the word "HOLY"

but is the "Captain of the Lord's Host" Jesus and the "LORD" Our Heavenly Father Jehova?
yes I believe in the trinity for Jesus said...I am in Him and He is in me.. John 1:1 says...the "WORD" (Jesus the living Word) was with God and was God. and Holy Spirit...goes back to wha I said about "good" and "HOLY"

but the question is ...in context the "Captain" held a "sword drawn" why did Jesus as I suppose have to show up on the scene.... he needed only say to Joshua through the sky or in his heart....attack and yet God was on the scene? why?
(it seemed it could've been a vision...was it?)

whatever the covenant as it I don't exactly recall...? does all the covenents God gives in the old testament and new testament stand for this age..or if they are changed why?

okay I'll stop there...I hope for feedback on this broad topic

What's the question again?
 

beta

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#10
beta asked me if I'd like to talk about obedience to God's commandments

I agreed but also I just hope that we can agree...or at least debate calmly
without putting each other down...

we are all at different levels of understanding

I may know genesis better than beta but beta knows the whole NT better than me for example

does that make him better than me...no

we are children of the Almighty God and we serve him not each other

now I'm going to cut this short because I need a break....I stayed up late last night

okay...I will start the topic with question..what are all the old testament covenents
of God....as I'd really like to know in summary...as with everything... because this can get long

what are the new testament covenants... for the ones that stayed the same ... what was added or what changed

same with all the commandments of the old and new testament...

and lastly I have a quote

Joshua 5:15 (maybe off topic) And the Captain of he LORD's host said unto Johsua
Loose your shoe from off your foot; the place where you stand is Hold.

Jesus said there is only one God and that is God

now I believe the same for the word "HOLY"

but is the "Captain of the Lord's Host" Jesus and the "LORD" Our Heavenly Father Jehova?
yes I believe in the trinity for Jesus said...I am in Him and He is in me.. John 1:1 says...the "WORD" (Jesus the living Word) was with God and was God. and Holy Spirit...goes back to wha I said about "good" and "HOLY"

but the question is ...in context the "Captain" held a "sword drawn" why did Jesus as I suppose have to show up on the scene.... he needed only say to Joshua through the sky or in his heart....attack and yet God was on the scene? why?
(it seemed it could've been a vision...was it?)

whatever the covenant as it I don't exactly recall...? does all the covenents God gives in the old testament and new testament stand for this age..or if they are changed why?

okay I'll stop there...I hope for feedback on this broad topic
Hold on !....hold on ! respectfully - are you trying to start world-war 3 on forum lol ???
I asked to talk about the 'Commandments - not all the 'Covenants of the Old and New testaments.
'Indirectly everything will 'lead' to Covenants but please let us crawl and walk before we run and fly ! do you think you could make a lowly/gentle start with me - how you interact with other posters is your own doing and I already know you will come away with a blody nose....for they are fierce ! You obviously did not read my reply on your 'leadership thread.
Here you have asked so many questions I would not know where to start that takes me back to the beginning and a sure foundation Christians seem to have abandoned/rejected when they nailed the commandments/law to the cross, or died to them ...as some like to put it....hence the confusion and disagreement among them still today. Can we talk about that ?
 

beta

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Brevity as asked for:

1st Covenant: The Law

New Covenant: Grace

These are the ONLY Two Covenants that have anything to do with the Church today. One reveals the History of the Church, the other reveals the Future of the Church. All else is ................
I agree with the 2 steps - showing us to learn to walk.
In the OT the first step was the LAW...which as it turned out was not all there was to WALKING, the second leg or NT had to be brought foreward which is LOVE initiated by GRACE through the sacrifice of Jesus. This gives us 2 legs in action with each other. If we use only one leg OR the other all we can do is HOP....which is not walking....it shows we are HANDICAPPED and in need of HEALING. Chop off the Law and you chop off one leg....so let's not do that !
 
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We live by the life of Christ in us now - NOT in the law of Moses. Get this wrong and we create a religion that denies the work of Christ in our lives to redeem us from the Law. The true Christian has absolutely nothing to do with the Law of Moses anymore.

We have died to the law, been released from the law, NOT under the Law "SO THAT" we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

Romans 7:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

To live by the Law of Moses in any facet now for life and living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord.



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beta

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We live by the life of Christ in us now - NOT in the law of Moses. Get this wrong and we create a religion that denies the work of Christ in our lives to redeem us from the Law. The true Christian has absolutely nothing to do with the Law of Moses anymore.

We have died to the law, been released from the law, NOT under the Law "SO THAT" we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

Romans 7:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

To live by the Law of Moses in any facet now for life and living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord.



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I agree with you, the law of Moses is not what will get us saved. Only Jesus can save and He kept His fathers commandments....isn't that what He said - HIS FATHERS commandments ? which are they and which are Moses' ? according to you they are all Moses' so which was Jesus referring to - should He not have said He kept MOses commandments ? because they are different commandments you refuse to believe.
We have had this futile discussion before to no avail.
 
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I agree with you, the law of Moses is not what will get us saved. Only Jesus can save and He kept His fathers commandments....isn't that what He said - HIS FATHERS commandments ? which are they and which are Moses' ? according to you they are all Moses' so which was Jesus referring to - should He not have said He kept MOses commandments ? because they are different commandments you refuse to believe.
We have had this futile discussion before to no avail.

Jesus kept the commandments that His Father gave Him to do His will which was to redeem those under the Law of Moses. Jesus was born under the law and lived under the Law so that He could redeem those that were under it. Gentiles have nothing to do with the law of Moses and never will.

The true Christian life has nothing to do with the 10 commandments - we live by the life of Christ now - not the following of a carnal law such as Sabbath keeping as in the law of Moses. The law of Moses was a mere shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself.

The 10 commandments are called the ministry of death and condemnation and if we think by keeping these 10 commandments we will find life - then we are denying the work of Christ and actually committing spiritual adultery on our Lord.

You are correct in your statement that the discussion will be of no avail and I will not forsake Christ for the law of Moses and I encourage others to not desert Christ either.
 
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beta asked me if I'd like to talk about obedience to God's commandments

I agreed but also I just hope that we can agree...or at least debate calmly
without putting each other down...

we are all at different levels of understanding

I may know genesis better than beta but beta knows the whole NT better than me for example

does that make him better than me...no

we are children of the Almighty God and we serve him not each other

now I'm going to cut this short because I need a break....I stayed up late last night

okay...I will start the topic with question..what are all the old testament covenents
of God....as I'd really like to know in summary...as with everything... because this can get long

what are the new testament covenants... for the ones that stayed the same ... what was added or what changed

same with all the commandments of the old and new testament...

and lastly I have a quote

Joshua 5:15 (maybe off topic) And the Captain of he LORD's host said unto Johsua
Loose your shoe from off your foot; the place where you stand is Hold.

Jesus said there is only one God and that is God

now I believe the same for the word "HOLY"

but is the "Captain of the Lord's Host" Jesus and the "LORD" Our Heavenly Father Jehova?
yes I believe in the trinity for Jesus said...I am in Him and He is in me.. John 1:1 says...the "WORD" (Jesus the living Word) was with God and was God. and Holy Spirit...goes back to wha I said about "good" and "HOLY"

but the question is ...in context the "Captain" held a "sword drawn" why did Jesus as I suppose have to show up on the scene.... he needed only say to Joshua through the sky or in his heart....attack and yet God was on the scene? why?
(it seemed it could've been a vision...was it?)

whatever the covenant as it I don't exactly recall...? does all the covenents God gives in the old testament and new testament stand for this age..or if they are changed why?

okay I'll stop there...I hope for feedback on this broad topic

Jer31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more


Verse 32 clarify the old testament (Torah laws ), verse 33 clarify the new testament : God Himself do some thing within the men hearts that the result make the men holy ( their iniquity are forgiven , need not any contribution of another men/no need to be taught ) salvation is only by God’s Grace .


...what does God want? ( about OT and NT ).
We need to know first ; what’s for God creates men ?.
Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Men can bring glory to God , when they understood and admitted that “ salvation is only by God’s Grace “ …so the scriptures (OT and NT) were given for that purpose.


After A and E were kicked out from Eden and had their offspring in this perishable realm no one realized and admitted that they were spiritually dead in the eyes of God, as time went by God gave them hundreds of law the Torah laws, actually God wanted them to realize about their spiritually dead in the eyes of God but no one admitted it.


Let’s us review what was the reason God drove them out from Eden?.
Wasn’t it about their incapability to keep not eat the fruit of the tree of life intentionally or in other words they surely ate the fruits, they and all their offspring without exception or they surely failed to fulfill just only this simple ordinance.
How could they feel proud that they surely fulfill the Torah laws which were more more complicated than the previous one? Silly .


Then God felt that the time given to the men for verification about their dead was enough and men not realized either , so He should come to open the men eyes by force ---> as the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savoir , Actually God said in OT that men surely need a Savoir ,a Redeemer for their own salvation so this is a necessity and He is God Himself ( Isa43:3 ,43:11 ,47:4 ,63:16 ).


Isa43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee


43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour


47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel


63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.




In OT have already said that man is sanctified by sprinkling the blood of the sacrifice lamb were done by the priest = being saved = resurrecting from dead , these were the tasks that the messiah should demonstrate in order men could understand that their salvation is only by God’s Grace .





We sum them as :” Men ,You will never save your self or others what ever effort you may try, cause the salvation is only by God’s grace (Eph2:8) , that is what I want to demonstrate to you, I will be killed and three days later I shall resurrect from dead that you may know : the sacrifice blood is my blood = God blood , the priest is me as manifestation of God, the man who is sanctified will be acted by Me that shows you if the salvation is only for the chosen ( not man who says want , but only he or she whom the heart is made to want/who were listed in the book of life before the foundation of the world ) , then by this event comes to pass you will understand that the salvation is only by God’s Grace, and you that believe (believe if this event is really manifestation of God’s grace ) is the winner you shall be resurrected too in the last day, and you that don’t believe you are the loser cause you will surely say that I am not God Him self , and consider Me as created being as you are , then if I am created being surely I am spiritually dead too as you are then I shall reach My salvation too by this event means this event surely not a manifestation of God’s Grace or there is no premise “salvation is only by God’s Grace “ and every one shall pay their sins by one self , then why can’t you fulfill the Torah laws? , why am I said savoir? (Luk2:11), why am I said Redeemer? (Eph1:7), you that don’t believe you are really a loser certainly you are walking to the lof “.


Rev1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood


Rev5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation




Luk2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord


Eph1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;


Now we can answer about this; ...what does God want? ( about OT and NT ).
These are chronological process that finally lead us to grasp that Salvation is only by God Grace
 

Embankment

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With regard to OT law, unless you were a Jew in Israel 2000 years ago its history. It's purpose was to attach sin to the individual making him accountable for his own sin. Gentiles had no law but were under the same sin from Adam. We are now saved by grace under
The cloak of Jesus. His law says Love God & your neighbor as yourself!
 

Bladerunner

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Beta is a woman :) We serve God by serving others. My .02 :)
Magenta,,,, May I humbly ask you about the Picture of the Cross you have on your signature. Is there a certain reference to it. I have seen other Crosses with a Purple sash hung on them?

Thank you in advance.

Have a blessed day

Blade
 
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We live by the life of Christ in us now - NOT in the law of Moses. Get this wrong and we create a religion that denies the work of Christ in our lives to redeem us from the Law. The true Christian has absolutely nothing to do with the Law of Moses anymore.

We have died to the law, been released from the law, NOT under the Law "SO THAT" we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

Romans 7:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

To live by the Law of Moses in any facet now for life and living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord.



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Jesus spke: Mathew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets I am not come to destroy but to fulfill

18 For verily I say unto you Till heaven and Earth pass one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law till all is fulfilled

19 Whosoever therefore shatlll break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be call the least in the Kingdom of Heaven, but whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven

now I ask...are the laws of moses laws refered to as the "least" laws? why would God say the 10 commandments are no longer valid.... one of the commandments I would never break....Do not kill....okay tell me the 10 commandments are becasee we obey the example of Christ...I still won't kill...does that man I'm following a dead law? I'm not talking about "self defense" I talking about "murder"
 

Johnny_B

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1 John 4:10
King James Version(KJV)

10.)Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Don't forget 1 John 4:19 "We love Him because He first loved us."
 

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Jesus kept the commandments that His Father gave Him to do His will which was to redeem those under the Law of Moses. Jesus was born under the law and lived under the Law so that He could redeem those that were under it. Gentiles have nothing to do with the law of Moses and never will.

The true Christian life has nothing to do with the 10 commandments - we live by the life of Christ now - not the following of a carnal law such as Sabbath keeping as in the law of Moses. The law of Moses was a mere shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself.

The 10 commandments are called the ministry of death and condemnation and if we think by keeping these 10 commandments we will find life - then we are denying the work of Christ and actually committing spiritual adultery on our Lord.

You are correct in your statement that the discussion will be of no avail and I will not forsake Christ for the law of Moses and I encourage others to not desert Christ either.
The commandment you say Jesus kept was not one of the 10 who have all to do with Jesus' teaching of loving God and neighbour. Not exacting swift punishment as then, but now taught with patience and love in grace and forgiveness. That is the only difference in commandment-keeping, they themselves are not abolished because they are the Will of God with whom we hope to spend eternity.
Jesus did mean the 10 com as an example for us because they (loving God and neighbour) are shared as common to all men, spiritual, holy, just and good ....the one command you mention was only given to Jesus because no other man could do it and was never an example for us to follow.

ps. I admit that I have been ready to give up on you but God tells me to be patient as He is patient with me.