Calvinists,would you buy this Bible?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Stephen63

Stephen63

Banned
#21
Aug 15, 2009
9,745
179
0
#21
How many of you skipped several chapters of a school book, & still passed the pop quiz? The final exam?

So it is to those who skip portions of scripture, & think they know. They won't pass the trials of life, neither will they endure the tests that are put before them.

14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!” 16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?” 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Yeah, there's something about having the knowledge of God in order to have faith to pass the test.
 
notuptome

notuptome

Senior Member
#22
May 17, 2013
15,050
2,538
113
#22
I think the OP was a hypothetical question and not a legitimate suggestion of a specific translation.

We all know that it does not matter what translation you use you can always read into it any specific bias you choose.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
D

Depleted

Guest
#23
#23
Stephen63 said:
The trouble with predestination, at least the one that folks hold to, is that there's too many "whosoevers" in scripture, including Jesus' sayings that totally destroy it.:)

If people read their Bibles, & prayed before they did, we wouldn't have these problems.
Click to expand...
True, because then they'd read the context of who the whosoevers are.
 
Johnny_B

Johnny_B

Senior Member
#24
Mar 18, 2017
1,954
64
48
#24
Stephen63 said:
The trouble with predestination, at least the one that folks hold to, is that there's too many "whosoevers" in scripture, including Jesus' sayings that totally destroy it.:)

If people read their Bibles, & prayed before they did, we wouldn't have these problems.
Click to expand...
John 5:39-40 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]refuse[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]to[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]come[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]to[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]me[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]that[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]you[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]may[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]have[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]life[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif]."
[/FONT]
2 Peter 1:19-20, 3:15-16, 18 "And we[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]have[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]the[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]prophetic[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]word[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]more[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]fully[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]confirmed[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif], [/FONT]to[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]which[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]you will[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]do[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]well[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]to[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]pay[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]attention[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]as[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]to[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]a[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]lamp[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]shining[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]in[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]a[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]dark[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]place[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif], [/FONT]until the[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]day dawns and[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]the[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]morning[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]star[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]rises[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]in[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]your[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif] [/FONT]hearts[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif], [/FONT]knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.....And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.....But grow in the grace and knowledge of ourLord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity[FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif]. [/FONT]Amen.

We don't pray to interpret God's word, we search it with understanding. The Bible is not a mystical book that needs to be read as such. It follow all the [FONT=Sentinel A, Sentinel B, Georgia, Times, serif]rules of literature, read the Scriptures in context like another letter or book.

Here's what I'm talking about. 2 Peter 3:8-9 "[/FONT]But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." Who is this being address to? The beloved, who is you, any and all, talking about? The beloved, many think all means all men, the context doesn't allow for that interpretation, the thought never changes to the world, it's staying with the beloved, as shown in verse 14 "Therefore, beloved," How does the chapter start 3:1 "This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved" Peter clearly establishes that he is writing to the beloved, not the world in chapter 3.



 
Harmless

Harmless

Member
#25
Feb 12, 2017
45
1
8
#25
The Bible is not subject to private interpretation. The Bible must define and interpret itself. Then you have truth. The only problem is that every aspect of man has been infected and affected by sin, so we cannot find truth on our own. God must open our Spiritual eyes and ears to see and hear His truth. He will have mercy on whom He chooses to have mercy. People that through their own pride develop and follow do it yourself gospels forget many verses in the Word which attest to the Sovereignty of God. When Eziekiel talks about the dry bones, did they decide they were going to follow God? When Paul penned about being dead in our sins how does someone dead choose to do anything, let alone follow and believe in God. Jesus said in John 6 several times that we are given to Him by the Father. He also states that God draws us to Him. The problem with whosoever will is that of their own volition they won't. God must "quicken" us to believe (see John 5:21 or John 6: 63 for examples). That doesn't make us a robot, it makes us blessed. Jesus said we must come to Him as a little child. I don't know about you but I know I as a child didn't know how to reason and choose to follow Jesus. I couldn't even read! People that practice do it yourself gospels are always quoting John 3:16 as a proof text. Why don't they also quote John 1:12-13 or carefully read John 1:9-14? John 1:13 clearly stated not by blood (genealogy or ancestral lineage as the Jews believed) nor will of the flesh nor the will of man but of God. God saves us, not our free will or anything else. But the best example is Paul. Jesus took him by force. He blinded him (to things of the world i.e. false gospels) so that he might see the truth. He didn't sit around and hear some sermon or read and choose of his own free will to follow Christ. And no matter how logical these verses are and how clearly they are stated people will not truly believe unless they are one of God's elect and He opens their Spiritual eyes to believe them.
 
Harmless

Harmless

Member
#26
Feb 12, 2017
45
1
8
#26
Then you must deal with John 1: 12-13, and rationalize it away or realize that you haven't achieved truth. Whosoever won't without God's election.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.