If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven like?

[Roughsoul1991]

But I think some people look at salvation differently than others. As a boy, I don't remember my church talking about salvation. When I was nineteen or twenty, however, I began thinking seriously about the Lord, though I had little discipline at the time. Then one evening the Lord suddenly entered my life, totally unexpectedly. I look at that as my “born again” experience, though it was more a series of events, perhaps, than a single event.

Romans 1:16-22Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

The Righteous Will Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel,[a] because it is God’s power for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, and also to the Greek. 17 For in it God’s righteousness is revealed from faith to faith, just as it is written: The righteous will live by faith.[c][d]

And we also see salvation for the one who believes

The Guilt of the Gentile World
18 For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth, 19 since what can be known[e] about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse. 21 For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools


And God has made himself known to all through Devine nature. So it comes down to all are eventually drawn and one must choose to believe

 

[Crustyone]

He seems to be saying what he shows here:



The belief he obviously doesn't like is what he's talking about..... somewhat sarcastically, IMO.

On rereading the post I think you are right and I didn't think it through. Sorry!

 

[resurrection33]

When you were thinking,I would say that was your conscience and you must have repented In your heart and GOD came In and that only takes once and then be conscience of your right standing before GOD ,but If you sin against your neighbor,you should repent as many times as you offend them.

It was a number of years later that I began taking repentance seriously. The Lord put up with me all that time.

 

[wsblind]

If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.

I would bet money that your JIMBO43.

 

[posthuman]

It seems ridiculous for anyone to complain that sinners have been forgiven.
It is a common atheist ploy to say things like, ewww, you are going to be in
heaven with Hitler. My response would always be, so what? I am glad that
there are no sins but one that Jesus will not forgive, and so should you be.

how great a work!

to say 'eww you're going to be in heaven with Hitler' displays a lack of understanding.

it wouldn't be 'Hitler' -- it would be the transformed person in whom God's glory is displayed, prevailing even against all evil and mighty to save, able to redeem and to destroy the proud, making all things work together for the good of those who believe.

it wouldn't be 'Hitler' any more than it will be Saul; it's Paul.

 

[posthuman]

The time is coming when sin shall be no more. Sin = death, and pain.

just correcting some math . . .

Sin ≠ {death, pain}

Sin → {death, pain}

 

[imfinallyfree]

Ok that's kind of what my point was by asking this question of you learned people because I don't understand that view but hey you guy's have devoted lot's of time learning about this stuff I haven't thank you for the enlightenment.

I am currently being harassed and psychologicaly terrorized by a satanic cult that probably full blown demons from hell because they have the ability to be invisible and influence people's minds.

That's what they are doing now they are telling these drunk non believers that they(the cult) own the house so they are telling the non believers that this is a public party house last night they tried breaking the bedroom door down.

I don't hurt these people for fear that I accidentally kill someone and go to hell but learned people are sayimg that I CAN do that and still go to Heaven because I'll be magically transformed? ok Maybe ill do that.

I've never believed in a magical transformation for people that have willingly destroyed the world I could be wrong but just to be on the safe side I don't have anything ti do with anyone,im not going to hell by association.

 

[posthuman]

They deserve a chance at Heaven? I disagree.

I could be completely wrong about this that's why im asking your guy's opinions.

i think you're right;

in fact, no one deserves what Christ is offering.

that's how great is His Spirit

 

[Silverwings]

Not everyone is saved, even some who think they are , aren't. Many will say unto me in that day, Lord, I cast out devils in your name, and he will say to them depart from me , ye who work iniquity, I never knew you.

There will be no sin in Heaven.............none.

Jesus does his transforming work within us, beginning when we first accept him as Lord and Savior.

If we die right after we are saved, we are changed in an instant in the twinkling of an eye.

God detests sin, be assured he is not going to allow it into his Heaven.

 

[posthuman]

I don't hurt these people for fear that I accidentally kill someone and go to hell

erm, just take this as a side-note, but in the old testament law it was not a sin to accidentally kill someone. God had the people set up 'cities of refuge' ((Deuteronomy 19:4-14)) that people could flee to so the relatives of the person accidentally killed couldn't take vengeance on them, and ((given that it was truly accidental)) the person was not condemned for it.

He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee.
But if a man acts with premeditation against his neighbor, to kill him by treachery, you shall take him from My altar, that he may die.
(Exodus 21:12-14)​

the commandment is "you shall not murder" -- not "kill"
there's a difference. after all, the Holy Spirit killed Ananias and Sapphira ((Acts 5)). this wasn't murder; it was justice.

if God has made you clean, you are clean. believe and trust Him.
a salvation that can be accidentally lost every 5 seconds isn't a salvation at all, friend

Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet;
their whole body is clean
(John 13:10)​

 

[wsblind]

Ok that's kind of what my point was by asking this question of you learned people because I don't understand that view but hey you guy's have devoted lot's of time learning about this stuff I haven't thank you for the enlightenment.

I am currently being harassed and psychologicaly terrorized by a satanic cult that probably full blown demons from hell because they have the ability to be invisible and influence people's minds.

That's what they are doing now they are telling these drunk non believers that they(the cult) own the house so they are telling the non believers that this is a public party house last night they tried breaking the bedroom door down.

I don't hurt these people for fear that I accidentally kill someone and go to hell but learned people are sayimg that I CAN do that and still go to Heaven because I'll be magically transformed? ok Maybe ill do that.

I've never believed in a magical transformation for people that have willingly destroyed the world I could be wrong but just to be on the safe side I don't have anything ti do with anyone,im not going to hell by association.

Are you JIMBO43?

 

[wsblind]

Someone is always going to catch us.

 

[wsblind]

We will know them by their fruits......Doctrines/beliefs.

 

[imfinallyfree]

No im not jimbo ,im not crazy well not about this or making it up some religious people are saying that I am a saint they say that they have special powers that tell them this is true they even have most people on a Native American reservation beleiving it supposedly and you know how difficult it is to get native American to believe in God

What I think is that they are all non believers under satans power trying to make me a false prophet because I honestly don't feel any different or special and Im opinionated ,ill answer posts with nothing but my opinion even if I know nothing about the subject that doesn't make me a saint.

Seriously though, ask around see if you've heard anything about a guy being called a saint.

 

[wsblind]

No im not jimbo ,im not crazy well not about this or making it up some religious people are saying that I am a saint they say that they have special powers that tell them this is true they even have most people on a Native American reservation beleiving it supposedly and you know how difficult it is to get native American to believe in God

What I think is that they are all non believers under satans power trying to make me a false prophet because I honestly don't feel any different or special and Im opinionated ,ill answer posts with nothing but my opinion even if I know nothing about the subject that doesn't make me a saint.

Seriously though, ask around see if you've heard anything about a guy being called a saint.

I believe your not jimbo.

Are you JIMBO43?

 

[MadebyHim]

Exactly.. If Hitler could be forgiven through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ then that is a cause of us having great hope that we can be forgiven also..

And as for the comment the OP said about not wanting to be in Eternity with God with sinners.. We all know there shall be no sin in Eternity with God and that all people will be transformed upon the reasurection into perfect sinless beings..

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1:29

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. John 6:33

The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. John 7:7



Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12

He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:25


I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. John 12:46


And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. John 12:47
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. John 14:27


If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. John 15:18

Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. John 16:20

Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. John 16:20-21



These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. John 16:33

 

[Adstar]

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1:29

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. John 6:33

The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. John 7:7



Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12

He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:25


I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. John 12:46


And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. John 12:47
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. John 14:27


If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. John 15:18

Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. John 16:20

Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. John 16:20-21



These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. John 16:33

Amen to all the Words of God you have shared here..

 

[servingHimmb44]

Yes, it is finished; He died once to save all. But since the beginning of time, He has given us choice. The first people (A & E) chose to sin. Then Christ died to wipe away sin consequences -- having given us a second chance; that second chance was for everyone. But each one of us must choose to believe in Jesus (that He came to die for our sin). Or we can live here with the consequences that surround us every day. There isn’t a way for us to forgive ourselves and try to make things right on our own.
Biblical forgiveness is acknowledging that we are sinners and asking for His forgiveness. Non-believers must acknowledge that they are sinners to be forgiven, and believers ask forgiveness when they transgress (knowingly sin). Sin is the barrier that keeps usseparatedfrom God. Through Jesus we pray to ask forgiveness and repent (turn away) from sin to be restored to a personal relationship with God. But it does not mean we continue to sin.
When we read His Word it begins to show us the consequences of sin; yet, it also reveals His unconditional love for us. His love isn’t based on what we do or don’t do. Just as parents love their children regardless of their behavior, so the Lord continually loves His children.
The Bible contains the answers to every problem, situation, or concern we have. It is relevant today, but we must be faithful to read it everyday. When His Word begins to fill our heart and mind it becomes our trustworthy guide for daily life. We love because He loved us first. So we’ll know what to do to please our Lord and Savior.
Heaven is a place of “no mores.” No more tears, pain, sorrow (Revelation 21:4) And no more separation, because death will be conquered. We will be in the presence of the Lord for eternity.
May God bless you and your family.

 

[imfinallyfree]

Yeah that's just so strange and I think that many non believers don't believe because they agree.

It just doesn't make sense,how can Jesus's death make it possible for everyone to do whatever that they want and still go to Heaven?

I bet that NONE of you can answer this conclusively all that you CAN do is give circular logic that makes no sense whatever,your answers will just keep looping back to the true answer that you don't know and you are just repeating what you've been told out of blind faith.

To that guy that keeps asking if im some jimbo character,what is that some kind of code or something?did you miss your medication call?because you keep following me around asking me the same question,I told you NO I'M NOT.

Compare my posts with that dudes posts and you'll see the difference,look im sorry if you are having a hard time mentally,I know what it's like my emotions go up and down and I have to deal with it all of my life.

I hope that you get some relief soon.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Yeah that's just so strange and I think that many non believers don't believe because they agree.

It just doesn't make sense,how can Jesus's death make it possible for everyone to do whatever that they want and still go to Heaven?

I bet that NONE of you can answer this conclusively all that you CAN do is give circular logic that makes no sense whatever,your answers will just keep looping back to the true answer that you don't know and you are just repeating what you've been told out of blind faith.

To that guy that keeps asking if im some jimbo character,what is that some kind of code or something?did you miss your medication call?because you keep following me around asking me the same question,I told you NO I'M NOT.

Compare my posts with that dudes posts and you'll see the difference,look im sorry if you are having a hard time mentally,I know what it's like my emotions go up and down and I have to deal with it all of my life.

I hope that you get some relief soon.

Pay no attention to that man. Some are instigators.

But to answer your question Jesus's death does not make it possible for people to do what they want.

Unbelievers have to choose.

And believers must stay in faith. Live in deliberate sin as a believer and you will probably face Jesus saying to you Be gone I never knew you. Deliberately sinning is like spitting at what Jesus did like your testing it. Repentance is what a believer does to acknowledge his wrong doing and continuing to surrender to Jesus.

Hebrews 10:19-39New International Version (NIV)

A Call to Persevere in Faith
19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. 33 Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34 You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. 35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.

36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37 For,

“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”[c]
38 And,

“But my righteous[d] one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”[e]
39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.