If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven like?

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If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.
 
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I will add a few quantifiable COMMON SENSE reasons for why I believe that it is NOT true.

1: One of the most prevalent problems in the world is over population,many many many problems in the world are because of over population so if God were to except only a snall percent of the world population He won't have those problems to deal with in Heaven,this is quantifiable common sense.

2:By allowing people to BE REWARDED for consciously choosing to degenerate morally He would only be encouraging such behaviour in Heaven.I don't think that He would do this. Quantifiable common sense.

3: I believe that the whole reason for ending the world is because that is the only way to put a stop to this recycled degeneracy that is being taught from one generation to the next.

And last but not least: I dont believe that God is such a nice guy that He is blinded by His own kindness.

People seem to think that He is a idiot to be taken advantage of....He'd have to be to allow all of this degeneracy into Heaven.

Thanks for your time and have a great day!
 

Johnny_B

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Your premise is wrong, not everyone is saved. Heaven is the place of God's thorn, where the angel's worship Him. But this is going to freak people out, the redeemed don't go to heaven. They go to paradise or Abraham's bosom. The saints will spend eternity in the new heaven and new earth. Where the streets are paved with gold, the Lord will be with us in the New Jerusalem and we will worship day and night. One thing that is interesting it seems we will be able to see those that were not saved, in their torment, read the last verse of chapter 66. Where the wold will eat with the lamb, instead of the wolf eating the lamb.

Isaiah 65:17-25 "
For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing, and her people a joy. I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in My people; the voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her, nor the voice of crying. No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed. They shall build houses and inhabit them, they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit. They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat; for as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, and My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth children for trouble, for they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them. “It shall come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,”

Says the Lord.

Isaiah 66:14-24 "
When you see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like grass; the hand of the Lord shall be known to His servants, and His indignation to His enemies. For behold, the Lord will come with fire and with His chariots, like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword the Lord will judge all flesh; and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
“Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, to go to the gardens after an idol in the midst, eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.
“For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles. Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord, “as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites,” says the Lord.
“For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
“And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
 

Dan58

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If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.
Forgiveness is based on repentance, its not automatically dished-out to every insincere person who says "forgive me". Those who willfully sin and are relying on a last minute plea for forgiveness, may have an unfortunate surprise come judgement day. God is not mocked, he's knows sincere regret from the prayer of a hypocrite. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:8-10).


 
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If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.
WELL. I wouldn't want to end up with the likes of you either.

You know, I will be your enemy because I tell you the truth.........Hell Is going to be FULL of people who have your mindset.
 
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If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.
A. Everyone isn't forgiven.
B. How do you think Heaven changes if they are or aren't?
C. Is that what saved means to you? You get the holy eternal vacation package?
D. You didn't live your whole adult life by God's advice.
 
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I will add a few quantifiable COMMON SENSE reasons for why I believe that it is NOT true.

1: One of the most prevalent problems in the world is over population,many many many problems in the world are because of over population so if God were to except only a snall percent of the world population He won't have those problems to deal with in Heaven,this is quantifiable common sense.

2:By allowing people to BE REWARDED for consciously choosing to degenerate morally He would only be encouraging such behaviour in Heaven.I don't think that He would do this. Quantifiable common sense.

3: I believe that the whole reason for ending the world is because that is the only way to put a stop to this recycled degeneracy that is being taught from one generation to the next.

And last but not least: I dont believe that God is such a nice guy that He is blinded by His own kindness.

People seem to think that He is a idiot to be taken advantage of....He'd have to be to allow all of this degeneracy into Heaven.

Thanks for your time and have a great day!
Your "about me" section says you've been a Christian all your life. How can that be when this is what you think the big problems of the world are and who you think God is?
 

wolfwint

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If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.
"So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?"

I am wondering how you speak about people which God has createt and is died for! You and me are not better then these "degenerates". Ore do you think that you are better?
Bible says clear who will come into heaven. All who believe in Jesus Christ!! Not all people! And its sadly to say the most you will find in hell!
 
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People must believe on Christ to receive the forgiveness that Christ's blood has brought in His redemption purchased. Forgiveness is a done deal in God's mind but it has to be believed and received by man.

Here is Peter preaching the true gospel to the gentiles.

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Here is Paul preaching the same gospel to Jews.

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
Notice that it is the forgiveness of sins that is proclaimed to us. It is up to us to repent and believe the gospel just like Jesus said to do in Mark 1:15

It is the blood of Jesus that has brought the forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 26:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Here is Jesus telling Paul on the road to Damascus about the forgiveness of sins.

Acts 26:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


We have redemption - the forgiveness of sins because of His blood. Believing the gospel message of Christ receives the forgiveness of sins which is already a done deal in the mind of the Father because of His Son's work on the cross and resurrection.


Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
 
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From another thread:

I do the same thing as resurrection 33 ,I asked a question a few weeks ago( a perfectly valid question) and I asked nicely for only common sense quantifiable answers but instead I got mysticism and nonsense so I never went back because it's just a boring waste of time reading replies from people who don't know and use God to hide their ignorance.

Watch I'll start a new thread with the same questions and get the same results.
So, this is just a game, huh? That explains a lot.
 

MadebyHim

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The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord. Isaiah 62:25

This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house. Ezekiel 48:12

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Revelation 21:10


Gods thoughts and ways are so much higher than ours. Your question can only be answered by God actually. Sounds in the op kinda complaining about how God dose things, when we don't even know what God is doing. Almost like gossiping about how you feel heaven is just going to be another ghetto like the world. Man be thankful for all that make it, not for only those that seemed to be goody-two-shoes.
 
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If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.
You are one of "them".
 
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God makes heaven, heaven.
Those who are His are there. And those are the most loving, kind, and generous people. Yes, many were molesters, wife beaters, drug dealers...liberals, etc. But they have been washed, sanctified, and justified. 2 Corinthians 6.9-11.

Everyone is NOT forgiven, but everyone can be.

You ask: So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there? No. What is eternity really like with no God. It's Hell.
 

Adstar

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Those who are offended by the Grace being offered freely by the LORD Jesus Christ simply will not have it given to them.. It is a pure gift, the only type of Gift God would ever offer people..

1 Corinthians 1: KJV
22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: {23} But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; {24} But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. {25} Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."

Some people think the Way of salvation through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ is immoral a stumblingblock and react with anger to it.. Others think it is stupid / foolishness and respond with mocking derision...
 

hornetguy

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If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.
This is a very troll-like post....

So who do you think should have the "say-so" in who is saved? You?

Have you read Jesus' parable about the man with the vineyard, who hired workers at different times of the day, then paid them all the same wage at the end of the day? I suggest you read it....

And, just to use logic..... IF God is going to allow all those "sinners" into heaven, and you don't want to be with them, then that leaves only one option for you, doesn't it?

Personally, I think you need to spend more time studying and learning about Jesus' attitude toward sinners.... by the way, YOU are one of those... so am I... so we are in good company.
 

MadebyHim

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[SUP]6 [/SUP]For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
[SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:6-21
 

Grandpa

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Forgiveness is about being grateful. The more you have been forgiven of the more grateful you should be.

If you think this is owed to you for something that you have done then you are not grateful for it. You worked for it and deserve it.

There are influences down here that cause people to become slaves to sin, even unknown to themselves. There are no such influences in the presence of God.

We are all in the same boat before God. He doesn't owe us Forgiveness. He doesn't owe us His Blessing and Provision. He does these things because He Loves us.

Why He Loves is us a complete mystery to me. My pastor says its because God desires family. That makes some sense.
 

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[SUP]30 [/SUP]Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.

[SUP]39 [/SUP]And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Luke 23:30-46
 
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If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven REALLY like?

I know that I asked these questions before but the people replied with nonsense so I'm trying again PLEASE ONLY ANSWER WITH COMMON SENSE NOT MYSTICISM.

The most common Christian teaching seems to be forgiveness it's promoted so much that people bet their souls on it it's taught that you can do whatever you want and God will fogive you and you will go to Heaven.

If that is true then why is the world such a horrible place?why is He ending the world now?

It seems to me that if that belief was true there would be no need for him to end the world.

If that belief is true then what is Heaven REALLY like?

Well obviously it is full of child molesters,wife beaters,gang bangers,drug dealers,racists,pimps,whores,serial killers,satan worshippers,witches,warlocks,sexual deviants,drunk drivers,free loaders,greed mongers,dictators,terrorists,fornicators,animal abusers,environmental polluters,politicians,lawyers,money lenders etc.

Because I guaran-freeking-ty that every degenerate in the world preys to God for forgiveness when they are facing death with the possible exception of Tim McVeigh and I don't believe that he didn't try also even though he said that he wouldn't.

Because who WOULDN'T take a reprieve from a sentence of eternal torment?

That is what is taught....that EVERYONE will be given a reprieve from their JUST punishment.

So....what is Heaven REALLY like with all of these degenerates there?

I don't know about anyone else and it's not my business to know but I didn't live my whole adult life by Gods advise just to end up with them.
No one enters heaven who hasn't repented of their sin.
 
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Forgiveness is based on repentance, its not automatically dished-out to every insincere person who says "forgive me". Those who willfully sin and are relying on a last minute plea for forgiveness, may have an unfortunate surprise come judgement day. God is not mocked, he's knows sincere regret from the prayer of a hypocrite. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:8-10).
I'm glad you put that phrase in there..... It needs to be put in every post about sin, because "some" think they're going with their premeditated, unconfessed sin.

That's most definitely a lie.