Are some scripture versus literal?

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Are some scripture versus literal?

I've been paying attention to Bible stuff lately what with the end of the world and all and one that really stands out is where God says that those that don't go to hell will "have a new world with new Heavens to look upon".

Now with all of the new discoveries being made in outer space and with us polluting this world so bad that it will soon be uninhabitable this verse sounds literal to me.

Maybe God wants us to colonize those new planets that were found for Him?

Thanks for your time.
 

Ahwatukee

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Are some scripture versus literal?

I've been paying attention to Bible stuff lately what with the end of the world and all and one that really stands out is where God says that those that don't go to hell will "have a new world with new Heavens to look upon".

Now with all of the new discoveries being made in outer space and with us polluting this world so bad that it will soon be uninhabitable this verse sounds literal to me.

Maybe God wants us to colonize those new planets that were found for Him?

Thanks for your time.
Hello imfinallyfree,

Just FYI, the righteous are not going to have a new heaven and new earth because of polluting it. God is going to do more damage to this planet via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, than mankind could ever do. Also, we didn't find any new planets for God, for he created all of those stars and galaxies. In fact, scripture states that He calls each one by name (Isaiah 40:26). The new heaven and new earth will be created after the great white throne judgment (See Rev.21).

Blessings in Christ!
 

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The Bible should be always interpreted literally, does that mean word for word, not always. It means literal to it's context. The Bible has history, prophecy, poems, parables, laws, sings, hymns, science medical proverbs and letters, you would translate them literally. According to what it's talking about. Like the epistles of the New Testament are being written to the Church, the bride of Christ. We don't apply what is written in the bride to the world, unless the context has changed to address the world.

The Bible isn't a book that need some special power or insight to read it, it follows are the rules of literature, it doesn't leave the context of the writing, unless it clearly states a change in thought. You read it like any other book, you read it in context. You don't add a meaning that isn't there. Verses do not stand alone, they are part of the paragraphical context and the context of the book/letter/epistle, remembering the overall context of the Bible itself.

You should get a book that instruct you on how to read the Bible and draw out it meaning of the writing by know the history of the writing. Here's a good book to help you understand how to read the Bible. https://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Bib...TF8&qid=1490347585&sr=8-3&keywords=gordon+fee

He has one other that has book by book in the title, read that one after this first one. I hope this isn't breaking a rule, I get nothing from the sale, just trying to help
 
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Three Earth Ages Three Heaven Ages. NotThree Earths Not Three Heavens. At this time we are in the SecondEarth Age. The First Earth Age having past after Satan and hisfollowers rebelled. It must have been Heaven on Earth witch it was.Tulips and other plant life have been found in Alaska in the frozentundra. They wont grow there now but they did then. The North pole isoff we know that. There is a difference of about 500 kilometersbetween Geographic North and Magnetic North poles. Genesis 1:28 AndGod blessed them and said unto them be fruitful and multiply and REPLENISH the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish ofthe sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing thatmoveth upon the earth. Notice the word REPLENISH. To fill to a FORMERlevel. Restore etc.
2 Peter 3:5-7 For this they willinglyare ignorant of that by the word of God the heavens WERE of OLD andthe earth standing out of the water and in the water. 6 Whereby theworld that THEN WAS being overflowed with water perished. 7 But theheavens and the earth witch are now by the same word are kept instore reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition ofungodly men.
Peter explains it very well.
I know some say this is the flood ofNoah's time but that's not so. Read on.
Jeremiah 4:22-26 For my people isfoolish they have not known me they are sottish children and theyhave none understanding they are wise to do evil but to do good theyhave no knowledge. 23 I beheld the earth and lo it was without formand void and the heavens and they had no light. 24 I beheld themountains and lo they TREMBLED and all the HILLS MOVED LIGHTLY. 25 Ibeheld and lo there was NO MAN and all the BIRDS of the heavens wereFLED. These verses tell us how it was when and after God shook theHeavens and the Earth. This is what moved us into the Earth age weare in now.
 
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Yes, some are literal. Jesus was literally - actually - crucified. Then buried in a tomb. Then three days later, His body was brought back to life, raised up from the dead. That literally happened.

Some are not to be applied literally. Does God want us to actually tear out our eyes and cut off our hands? Matthew 5.29-30. Of course not. How do we know that's not to be taken literal? Because cutting off hands and plucking out eyes don't change the heart.

Use the bible to help you understand it. Pray. And we all should use some common sense, especially toward verses like cutting off body parts.


 
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Are some scripture versus literal?

I've been paying attention to Bible stuff lately what with the end of the world and all and one that really stands out is where God says that those that don't go to hell will "have a new world with new Heavens to look upon".

Now with all of the new discoveries being made in outer space and with us polluting this world so bad that it will soon be uninhabitable this verse sounds literal to me.

Maybe God wants us to colonize those new planets that were found for Him?

Thanks for your time.
I don't think that's what the Lord is talking about. When we repent of our sin, our worries dissipate. I think that is what the Lord is talking about.
 
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Well I look at it this way, IMO God didn't create man to be a sinner so He could send His Son to save people or furthermore only for mankind to Advance to the point of rubbing two sticks together to make fire for heating and cooking.
 
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The universe is vast, so why not ...
 
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The universe is vast, so why not ...
I agree PeterJens, though it appears mankind is heading in the wrong direction, with all the fighting,greed,disagreements etc.. In this world, it's looking like humans will crash and burn before reaching those other stars with habitable planets. Yet another life form which can't get their act together and advance in a productive way, The Sun doesn't have endless fuel.
 

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Are some scripture versus literal?

I've been paying attention to Bible stuff lately what with the end of the world and all and one that really stands out is where God says that those that don't go to hell will "have a new world with new Heavens to look upon".

Now with all of the new discoveries being made in outer space and with us polluting this world so bad that it will soon be uninhabitable this verse sounds literal to me.

Maybe God wants us to colonize those new planets that were found for Him?

Thanks for your time.
It took me a moment to grasp what the OP was on about, because of the spelling error: "versus" means "as against" or "contrasted with". "Verses" is the plural of "verse".

Then it took me a moment to understand what this sentence meant: "Maybe God wants us to colonize those new planets that were found for Him?" The sentence structure is awkward. If I understand correctly, it should be written as, "Maybe God wants us to colonize for Him the new planets which have been found."

Little things like spelling, grammar and punctuation really do matter, regardless of how insignificant many people think they are. They matter because they nuance, affect, and even dictate meaning, so unless we choose to use language as a club, it is worthwhile learning and using it properly.

All that aside, here's another literal verse which explains the issue you raise:

Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

It is likely that all those exoplanets will disappear at the same time this earth does.
 
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Literal but always considering context and common metaphors.
 

Johnny_B

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The universe is vast, so why not ...
What for?

Besides so far they haven't found an inhabitable planet, this one is in the perfect place to live and observe this universe. Any closer to these we'd burn up, any further we'd freeze.
 
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What for?

Besides so far they haven't found an inhabitable planet, this one is in the perfect place to live and observe this universe. Any closer to these we'd burn up, any further we'd freeze.
I agree our planet is in the Goldie locks zone, as far as being able to view the universe that takes the Hubble telescope and other equipment to view beyond our own Galaxy, the human eye only sees part of the galaxy we live in not any further than that.
 
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It took me a moment to grasp what the OP was on about, because of the spelling error: "versus" means "as against" or "contrasted with". "Verses" is the plural of "verse".

Then it took me a moment to understand what this sentence meant: "Maybe God wants us to colonize those new planets that were found for Him?" The sentence structure is awkward. If I understand correctly, it should be written as, "Maybe God wants us to colonize for Him the new planets which have been found."

Little things like spelling, grammar and punctuation really do matter, regardless of how insignificant many people think they are. They matter because they nuance, affect, and even dictate meaning, so unless we choose to use language as a club, it is worthwhile learning and using it properly.

All that aside, here's another literal verse which explains the issue you raise:

Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

It is likely that all those exoplanets will disappear at the same time this earth does.
Na,, just the atmosphere also including the earth when the sun supernovae.
 

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Yes, some are literal. Jesus was literally - actually - crucified. Then buried in a tomb. Then three days later, His body was brought back to life, raised up from the dead. That literally happened.

Some are not to be applied literally. Does God want us to actually tear out our eyes and cut off our hands? Matthew 5.29-30. Of course not. How do we know that's not to be taken literal? Because cutting off hands and plucking out eyes don't change the heart.

Use the bible to help you understand it. Pray. And we all should use some common sense, especially toward verses like cutting off body parts.


I think Jesus 100% serious when he said pluck out your eye and cut off your hand. It was a message for those who were about to choose Law over his grace. If you choose the law what is the loss of s hand of eye? You will spend eternity in hell.
 

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One has to take into account figures of speech, poetic hyperbole, the way that the Hebrews used language in prophecy - to suggest that the mountains quake and the hill melt in such as the following is to totally misunderstand the scripture.

(Nahum 1:5 KJV) The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.




“a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away" is often claimed to be the literal heavens and earth, again a misunderstanding of how these terms are used in prophecy.
 
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I think Jesus 100% serious when he said pluck out your eye and cut off your hand. It was a message for those who were about to choose Law over his grace. If you choose the law what is the loss of s hand of eye? You will spend eternity in hell.
I got to hand it to you, you do have a unique view of this. I'll keep an eye out for future responses from you about these verses.
It's all a heart issue. See verse 28 (Matthew 5). If you can. Would you settle for an eye patch? How about a straight jacket. That's it: A blindfold and a straight jacket. That's a new way to get to heaven.

 

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I got to hand it to you, you do have a unique view of this. I'll keep an eye out for future responses from you about these verses.
It's all a heart issue. See verse 28 (Matthew 5). If you can. Would you settle for an eye patch? How about a straight jacket. That's it: A blindfold and a straight jacket. That's a new way to get to heaven.

Thank you for your tolerance with me.

My stance is that Jesus did not sugar coat anything he said. He talked plainly and in a matter of fact way. When did he not speak that way? Did he speak figuratively at any other time other than obvious parables?

The Law was set into place to make us own up to being a sinner in need of a savior. Jesus is pointing out in this case that we all are adulterers in our hearts and minds. Pick your commandment, Jesus commented on most of them and proved we cannot keep them. Many say Jesus expanded the commandments to mean more than what they did originally. I say Jesus explained what the true meaning was from the beginning. No one ever lived up to them. The commandments were all consuming and exposed the intent of your heart and mind.
If you break one in the least way you are totally guilty. Burn in Hell.
Jesus gave us an alternative to follow him and live in his grace. Two choices,
die or live.
 
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Ahwatukee

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I think Jesus 100% serious when he said pluck out your eye and cut off your hand. It was a message for those who were about to choose Law over his grace. If you choose the law what is the loss of s hand of eye? You will spend eternity in hell.
"You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

Excuse me for butting in but, Jesus was not speaking about law vs. grace. As you can plainly see from the context that he mentions adultery prior to his statement. And so he is speaking about sin in general. That said, if Jesus were speaking literally, then all believers would have no body parts left. He also said "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you." Do you think that is to be taken literally as well?

Jesus is speaking figuratively here, meaning to sever from our lives the willful sin that leads to condemning judgment in the lake of fire. I believe that this is similar to the letters to the seven churches where at the end of each letter he makes reference to "him who overcomes." Whatever sins is impeding our walk in Christ, cut it out! Overcome it! Better to get that sinful pleasure out of our lives, than to be condemned and thrown into hell.

If we confess our sins he is faith and just and will forgive us our sin and cleanse us of all unrighteousness and that without cutting anything off. - 1 John 1:9

Hope this was helpful

Blessings to you in Christ!
 
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Three Earth Ages Three Heaven Ages. NotThree Earths Not Three Heavens. At this time we are in the SecondEarth Age. The First Earth Age having past after Satan and hisfollowers rebelled. It must have been Heaven on Earth witch it was.Tulips and other plant life have been found in Alaska in the frozentundra. They wont grow there now but they did then. The North pole isoff we know that. There is a difference of about 500 kilometersbetween Geographic North and Magnetic North poles. Genesis 1:28 AndGod blessed them and said unto them be fruitful and multiply and REPLENISH the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish ofthe sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing thatmoveth upon the earth. Notice the word REPLENISH. To fill to a FORMERlevel. Restore etc.
2 Peter 3:5-7 For this they willinglyare ignorant of that by the word of God the heavens WERE of OLD andthe earth standing out of the water and in the water. 6 Whereby theworld that THEN WAS being overflowed with water perished. 7 But theheavens and the earth witch are now by the same word are kept instore reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition ofungodly men.
Peter explains it very well.
I know some say this is the flood ofNoah's time but that's not so. Read on.
Jeremiah 4:22-26 For my people isfoolish they have not known me they are sottish children and theyhave none understanding they are wise to do evil but to do good theyhave no knowledge. 23 I beheld the earth and lo it was without formand void and the heavens and they had no light. 24 I beheld themountains and lo they TREMBLED and all the HILLS MOVED LIGHTLY. 25 Ibeheld and lo there was NO MAN and all the BIRDS of the heavens wereFLED. These verses tell us how it was when and after God shook theHeavens and the Earth. This is what moved us into the Earth age weare in now.
shepherd's chapel serpent seed doctrine