Would arminians buy a Bible that said?

[Johnny_B]

Romans 8:28 "God foreknew your faith and predestined you to be conformed to the image of His, Son by your faith"

Romans 9:11 "for the children not yet being born, He seen their faith by His foreknowledge, for that reason He chose them, not of grace but of him who has faith, by his own will"

Would arminians buy it?

 

[fredoheaven]

Romans 8:28 "God foreknew your faith and predestined you to be conformed to the image of His, Son by your faith"

Romans 9:11 "for the children not yet being born, He seen their faith by His foreknowledge, for that reason He chose them, not of grace but of him who has faith, by his own will"

Would arminians buy it?

Here's the KJV Bible says on the verses

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

So that? what?

Thanks

 

[Johnny_B]

Here's the KJV Bible says on the verses

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

So that? what?

Thanks

I guess you did see the thread, titled, "calvinist would you buy bible" that changed verse to say " God loves the elect" so I thought I'd return the favor.

 

[wolfwint]

Romans 8:28 "God foreknew your faith and predestined you to be conformed to the image of His, Son by your faith"

Romans 9:11 "for the children not yet being born, He seen their faith by His foreknowledge, for that reason He chose them, not of grace but of him who has faith, by his own will"

Would arminians buy it?

"You are funny with your arminian-calvinistic "war"! I suppose non of this views is 100% right! Maby 50/50? I made the expierience that to discuss about this matter is wasting time! Grace, predestination, human will works anyhow togehter. One thing is clear! We cant deserve our salvation!

 

[Depleted]

Romans 8:28 "God foreknew your faith and predestined you to be conformed to the image of His, Son by your faith"

Romans 9:11 "for the children not yet being born, He seen their faith by His foreknowledge, for that reason He chose them, not of grace but of him who has faith, by his own will"

Would arminians buy it?

As a Calvinist, I would hope Arminians wouldn't buy a Bible that makes it up as however the writer feels like it either.

 

[Johnny_B]

"You are funny with your arminian-calvinistic "war"! I suppose non of this views is 100% right! Maby 50/50? I made the expierience that to discuss about this matter is wasting time! Grace, predestination, human will works anyhow togehter. One thing is clear! We cant deserve our salvation!

It's by no means a war to me, I just thought, one good turn deserves another.

I agree none of us deserve salvation. I was in a fellowship that was heavy into works, then went to a fellowship that used the word grace a lot, but didn't believe in it. The pastor did some great Bible studies on grace then when you'd talk to him about it, he would throw, the "but" you also need to do whatever, that's not grace. They were still leaning towards works, what I mean by works is anything thing no mater how small that you do that gets you God's favor, isn't grace, it's works.

It was a series of studies I did that helped me understand grace, they were the Commandments of God, my sinful nature and the beauty of God's holiness, that brought me to an understanding of His grace. Which has caused me to rethink how the Scripture are interpreted. I co-operate with God in my salvation, but He had to bring to life in the Spirit before I could, start co-operating with Him. I don't consider myself a Calvinist, because I don't believe all that those in the Reformed faith believe. What really got me was all the misinformation that I was taught and that I taught about the Reformed faith, which was hyper-calvinism, not Calvinism. I'm think of writing out what I believe, so that people who misunderstand what I believe.

 

[Johnny_B]

As a Calvinist, I would hope Arminians wouldn't buy a Bible that makes it up as however the writer feels like it either.

Just as the thread that ask Calvinist if they would buy a Bible that said God loves the elect in John 3:16. I just wanted to show Arminians or I hoped they would see it. That what they interpret from the word, when actually done, isn't what the Scripture say at all.

The implication was that the Reformed view of election wasn't Biblical, when the overarching context about God's dealings with men is all about Him choosing people for whatever reason He wanted. Weather it was Noah to build the Ark or Abram the idolator to start a nation, that would bless the world, with the Messiah. David to be King and there are many other people that were chosen by God to do many things for His purpose and will.

 

[John146]

Just as the thread that ask Calvinist if they would buy a Bible that said God loves the elect in John 3:16. I just wanted to show Arminians or I hoped they would see it. That what they interpret from the word, when actually done, isn't what the Scripture say at all.

The implication was that the Reformed view of election wasn't Biblical, when the overarching context about God's dealings with men is all about Him choosing people for whatever reason He wanted. Weather it was Noah to build the Ark or Abram the idolator to start a nation, that would bless the world, with the Messiah. David to be King and there are many other people that were chosen by God to do many things for His purpose and will.

God does choose people to be saved...those who have trusted in the gospel of His Son.

 

[Johnny_B]

God does choose people to be saved...those who have trusted in the gospel of His Son.

Yes I agree He does, not because of anything we have done, He gives it all to us. He revealed it to the saints, by His will, for His pleasure and grace. He gives it to us, delivers us, transferred us and we have redemption in Him.

Colossians 1:26-27 "the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints.To them God willed to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

2 Timothy 1:9 "who has saved us and called uswith a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,"

Colossians 1:12-14 "giving thank to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."

 

[Dino246]

And so, yet another unnecessary internecine skirmish begins.

I'm going for popcorn.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 8:28 "God foreknew your faith and predestined you to be conformed to the image of His, Son by your faith"

Romans 9:11 "for the children not yet being born, He seen their faith by His foreknowledge, for that reason He chose them, not of grace but of him who has faith, by his own will"

Would arminians buy it?

I am neither C nor A, but a Bible with such poor punctuation and grammar would be annoying.

 

[posthuman]

God does choose people to be saved...those who have trusted in the gospel of His Son.

Who made the heart that is able to trust Him, the ear that is open to hear Him, and the eye which has light to see Him?

 

[Johnny_B]

I am neither C nor A, but a Bible with such poor punctuation and grammar would be annoying.

You had to see the other post.

 

[Johnny_B]

And so, yet another unnecessary internecine skirmish begins.

I'm going for popcorn.

Interesting how the thread aimed at Calvinist didn't get the same types of reactions. Which is why I started this to see what the reaction would be. Just because I've noticed that people are quick to jump on how they think Biblical election is unbiblical. They never give any Scripture in context to prove their point. They will take a thought in Scripture that is addressed to the beloved, followed by us and any, then the word all appears and they apply it to all men in the world. When the context never changed to the world and the following verses will say beloved again, having you and we in them. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that the context is the beloved, that us, we, you, any and all, are addressing those that are part of the beloved.

 

[Magenta]

You had to see the other post.

I did .

 

[John146]

Who made the heart that is able to trust Him, the ear that is open to hear Him, and the eye which has light to see Him?

The same God who gave every man the heart that is able to trust Him. God gave every man ears to hear Him. God gave every man eyes which have light to see Him. Some men choose to receive it. Some men choose to ignore it.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Yeah i would think arminians would. Its hard to agree and trust in a God who is sovereign over creation and his creatures, ordaining all things for his glory namely the salvation of the elect and the condemnation of the wicked. Apparently God cant do that so we gotta get God off the hook some how to make him more appealing to people and my fallen notions of love... as if God hasnt already known the day destined for every human being and therefore works to bring about glory through every means possible and at his disposal. A God who cares not for the display of his glory and name is just simply not the true God of the bible.

 

[TraySir]

Depends on the personal preference toward such a thing. Myself, I would like to own a couple copies of the few remaining Wicked Bibles. Worth Thousands.

 

[Depleted]

Just as the thread that ask Calvinist if they would buy a Bible that said God loves the elect in John 3:16. I just wanted to show Arminians or I hoped they would see it. That what they interpret from the word, when actually done, isn't what the Scripture say at all.

The implication was that the Reformed view of election wasn't Biblical, when the overarching context about God's dealings with men is all about Him choosing people for whatever reason He wanted. Weather it was Noah to build the Ark or Abram the idolator to start a nation, that would bless the world, with the Messiah. David to be King and there are many other people that were chosen by God to do many things for His purpose and will.

I'm leaning more toward "infer," than "implication," for the other thread. I don't know the person well enough to judge if that was an overt mock or if he just hasn't been around Calvinists enough to know how we think. Maybe Calvinism is something new to him and he's trying to wrap his head around the concepts.

This, on the other hand, really does seem like it's out to mock Arminians. Am I judging this wrong?

 

[posthuman]

The same God who gave every man the heart that is able to trust Him. God gave every man ears to hear Him. God gave every man eyes which have light to see Him. Some men choose to receive it. Some men choose to ignore it.

then why is it written that He blinded some, and gave them ears that could not hear?
why did He say some could not believe because they are not His sheep?
why does Israel cry out that He harden their hearts no longer?
what's this about a veil being over the heart?

and consider this:
are you a product of nature or nurture?
if nature, who gave it to you? who created you such that you would "accept" the word? who created another such that they would "reject" the very same word?
if nurture, who orchestrated your life such that you were molded into a creature willing to believe?
if we taught the Bible in school, and "brought children up correctly" would everyone be saved?
is that all we're lacking?
get the right Arminians into power in the US, revamp the education system, and presto?

who do we ultimately thank for our salvation?
ourselves, because we were wise or smart enough to believe, while others weren't?
some evangelist, because he or she was clever enough to say just the right thing and bring just the right argument?

how were you "convinced" to believe?
your dead heart, enemy of god, hater of righteousness, lover of sin - that unrepentant, disrespectful, selfish and atheistic old man which could not see or understand the things of God, whose thoughts and heart and soul entire was molded into the world by the god of the world, how did those dry bones in that dead valley come to life?

who do we thank? ourselves? an evangelist? or the One who made us, and to whom belongs all things, including ourselves and including those evangelists?