Seal up vision and prophecy

[Locutus]

I have heard this explanation so often ....... Jesus came and offered the Jews the Kingdom but they refused so God put plan B into action and formed the Church instead. Does anyone really think that God had all these plans worked out and then those pesky Jews put a spanner in the works and messed it all up for him? The Kingdom was put in place when Jesus arrived. He said the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. He said the Kingdom was not of this world. It is a Spiritual Kingdom. Many of the Parables explain this.

Good points, if the "rejection" of Jesus by the nation had not occurred then Christ would not have gone to the cross which would mean no salvation for "Jew" or Gentile.

The "Jewish" rejection was foreknown in God's plan, the cross was the means for Messiah to enter into his glory (his kingdom):

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

These two are very much like the "dispensationalists" that were expecting a physical redemption of Israel rather than a gathering into the "body of Christ".

If the Jews supposedly rejected Jesus the first time, what would stop them rejecting him on the supposed second appearing?

 

[DaveWatchman]

Is it possible that the sealing of prophecy has something to do with the fulfillment spoken of by Jesus in Luke and Matt?

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place..........

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

I think that it's possible because IF the 70 weeks were redeemed by the old time Jews, Daniel would have stayed sealed. Because if the 1st century Jews would have sealed the deal on the 70 weeks, there wouldn't be an end time abomination for us to be worried about right now and Luke 21's 70 AD "days of vengeance" wouldn't have happened. There was always a big "IF" involved in the fulfillment of all things written. "All things" WILL be fulfilled. It's just that there could have been a happy fulfillment or a sad one for the 1st century Jews.

Remember when Jesus wept for Jerusalem and wished that He could have gathered them together. This is an example, a reference of how the events COULD have gone the other way.

IF the old time Jews would have accepted their Messiah, something else would have happened. IF they had been willing, IF they would have recognized the time of their Visitation, Jesus would have gathered them together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings.

But they were not willing.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate.
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So, to fulfill all that was written:

"IF after all of this you still continue to defy me and refuse to obey me,
then in my anger I will turn on you and again make your punishment seven times worse than before.

Your hunger will be so great that you will eat your own children.
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Deuteronomy 28:

"However, IF you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:

The Lord will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young.

They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or olive oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the Lord your God is giving you.

Because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating.

It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears.

For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
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[MessageOfTheCross]

Dan 9:24 (NASB) “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

What does it mean to "seal up the vision and prophecy"?

The phrase, "And to seal up the Vision and Prophecy," means that all of these things will be fulfilled at the Second Coming of Christ.

When the 490 years are finished, the six things of Verse 24 will be accomplished. They are as follows:

1. "To finish the transgression,"
2. "To make an end of sins,"
3. "To make reconciliation (Atonement) for iniquity,"
4. "To bring in Everlasting Righteousness,"
5. "To seal up the Vision and Prophecy,"
6. "To anoint the Most Holy."

As stated, all of this will be fulfilled at the Second Coming, which, in effect, will conclude the 490 years.

 

[Base12]

What does it mean to "seal up the vision and prophecy"?

The end of the Old Testament and the 70th week of Daniel already being fulfilled?

 

[Locutus]

The end of the Old Testament and the 70th week of Daniel already being fulfilled?

I think that is precisely what it means.

 

[tanakh]

The idea that the 70 weeks stopped at the 69th week was unknown before the early 19th century and the rise of Dispensationalism. It is tied with a number of beliefs that have arisen from the same theology. In particular that the time of the Gentiles ended in 1948 with the founding of the state of Israel. That happened 68 years ago. Recently it has been revised so that now it is dated from 1967 when the whole of Jerusalem was occupied by the Israelis. That lowers the date to 50 years next June. Point is that the Rapture and 7 year tribulation is overdue by at least 10 years. There are some that have pushed the date even further forward to 2035. As part of the Generation alive in 1948 I may just be around in 2035 although I would be 88 by then. this date setting is very similar to the JW method of keeping followers on their toes.

 

[Locutus]

I agree that there is no gap in the 70 weeks Tanakh.

But if the 70 weeks has no gap then they must have ended in the 1st century AD and therefore the prophecies concerning the holy city must have also ended in that time - "Seventy weeks are determined ..........upon thy holy city"

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So any claim that the "holy city" has some later "dealings" is not biblical.

 

[DaveWatchman]

I agree that there is no gap in the 70 weeks Tanakh.

But if the 70 weeks has no gap then they must have ended in the 1st century AD and therefore the prophecies concerning the holy city must have also ended in that time - "Seventy weeks are determined ..........upon thy holy city"

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So any claim that the "holy city" has some later "dealings" is not biblical.

"Holy City" during the Seventy weeks is Jerusalem.

"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,'

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Seven"sevens" are 49 years.






The Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd. is the only fully government-owned company in the Jewish Quarter (100% of its shares are held by Israel’s Ministry of Construction).
The Company was established in the year 1969 following the liberation of Jerusalem, and it serves as an arm of the government for executing governmental policy in the Old City of Jerusalem. The Company is the primary lessee of 133 dunams of public land inside the walls of the Old City, and of another approximately 17,500 square meters outside the walls (in the City of David). The Company also serves as a government housing company, and in this capacity it handles real estate and asset registration, the reassignment and transfer of rights, lawsuits relating to expropriation, ownership claims, evictions and the management of land registration ledgers.

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  [*=left]The Company was established in 1969 by the government of Israel.
  [*=left]The Company was established in order to rehabilitate the Jewish Quarter and develop it as a national, religious, historical and cultural site, with an emphasis on its unique character.
  [*=left]The rehabilitation of the Jewish Quarter took 16 years.

company profile - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem

After the Six-Day War, in April 1968 the State of Israel expropriated the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem, an area of approximately 134 dunams including the Western Wall plaza and the buildings inside. In July 1968, the government decided to create the Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd., and in January 1969 the Company was established.

The Company was established with the purpose of developing and restoring the Jewish Quarter, which lay devastated and in ruins following the terrible damage done by the Jordanians when it fell to them in Israel’s War of Independence (1948).

areas of activity - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem

"From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the Ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,'
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[Base12]

I think that is precisely what it means.

Thanks Locutus.

I really appreciate the feedback.

I've been meditating over your post all week and it has caused me to re-examine this whole 'Tribulations' deal.

I could never figure out why God would call the Antichrist the 'Messiah'.

That violates this verse...

Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

Also...

I've never been able to see clear verses regarding a 'Seven year Tribulation' in the End Times.

I ran across this vid...

[video=youtube;gH2DdWhT2PQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH2DdWhT2PQ[/video]

...that seems to line up with what you are suggesting.

I'm going to study this out some more.

Thanks again!

 

[DaveWatchman]

The idea that the 70 weeks stopped at the 69th week was unknown before the early 19th century and the rise of Dispensationalism. It is tied with a number of beliefs that have arisen from the same theology. In particular that the time of the Gentiles ended in 1948 with the founding of the state of Israel. That happened 68 years ago. Recently it has been revised so that now it is dated from 1967 when the whole of Jerusalem was occupied by the Israelis. That lowers the date to 50 years next June. Point is that the Rapture and 7 year tribulation is overdue by at least 10 years. There are some that have pushed the date even further forward to 2035. As part of the Generation alive in 1948 I may just be around in 2035 although I would be 88 by then. this date setting is very similar to the JW method of keeping followers on their toes.

I think that you've summed up the state of affairs pretty good. But I still see it different. I think the early dates are still fine and we're right in the thick of it. All we ever needed was the Fig Tree and Psalm 90, 1969 and the compass of a Jubilee. The abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place and the man of sin has taken his seat in the Temple of God and by default is claiming to be God. I think the evil days are being shortened on the front end, the daily actions of our Restrainer is compressing them into the final "third' of the prophetic time period.

But just like in the days of John the Baptizer, not too many are noticing that the days are evil. We were born into them. I can find the 371 days of Noah carved out in the sky, squeezed in between a conjunction and a solar and lunar eclipse. If I'm right, something is going to happen soon, much sooner than 2035. And if it does, it's going to be fast.

Like lightning from the East.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Locutus]

I've been meditating over your post all week and it has caused me to re-examine this whole 'Tribulations' deal.

I'm going to study this out some more.

Cool...

It's always good to re-evaluate what we hold as "true" - I had a pretty intense year "battling" with the identity of the whore of Babylon in John's revelation - after I had come to what seems to be the correct conclusion the rest of the scriptures came into place in a much more "logical" way.

 

[Base12]

OK Locutus...

After doing some more research I came upon this verse...

Matthew 24:15
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)"

...which to me throws a huge Monkey Wrench into the whole "the seventy weeks have been fulfilled" teaching.

If there is one thing I know about the Bible more than most people on the planet is what the Abomination of Desolation is.

And that my friend has yet to happen.

It's too bad because it was a pretty simple teaching, which unfortunately was its weakness.

 

[Locutus]

...which to me throws a huge Monkey Wrench into the whole "the seventy weeks have been fulfilled" teaching.

If there is one thing I know about the Bible more than most people on the planet is what the Abomination of Desolation is.

And that my friend has yet to happen.

Let's look at the genetics here.....

Not according to Jesus, they would see the Abomination in his generation:

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
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Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Same scenario in Luke:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
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Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
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Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.



Unless it can be established that there is more than one desolation of Jerusalem spoken of in the new testament with "not one stone" and the compassing of armies them we have to accept that the three gospels speak of the same event in the 1st century AD

 

[Johnny_B]

Hello my Brothers can I throw an idea in here on the word generation in the Greek is genea or 1074 in the Strong's Dictionary says it can mean age, generation, nation, time. That's where the idea that it saying 40 years, the reasoning for 40 years, is because 40 in the number for judgement. Remember Paul said he received 40 strips less one, because 39 is the number of mercy. So 40 years since the state of Israel was born, that's why there were many books on the rapture happening in '81 or '88. There is a book titles 88 reasons the rapture will happen in 1988. Then in '67 when the Jews captured Jerusalem many changed it to 2000 or 2007, why do you think so many Christians were tripping when Y2K was coming.

But if you look at the Greek Dictionary in the Greek New Testament 4th edition the word genea means genealogy, where in Luke 17:25 the Greek word geneas is used that means generation, contemporaries, period, age (of time); family, posterity. Strong's has them as the same word, but the Greek New Testament doesn't, so if it was about contemporaries, Matthew would of used the same word as Luke if it meant the people at that time would see all these things. Here's where people miss it, the disciples ask 3 questions in one. When will these things be(destruction of the Temple), the sign of your coming and the end of the age?

24:30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." The sign comes after the sun and the moon [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]change and the earth quakes, those people that mourn will see the sign of His coming and they will see His coming in glory. The sign, then, and they, makes me wonder if this is talk about the great tribulation happening between the sign of His coming and His coming in power and great glory. It has me thinking. [/FONT]

So with the Jews being without a homeland for 1800 plus years, when no other race of people has survived more than 300 years before assimilating into the people. Losing their language, flag, religion, customs and culture, where the Jews didn't why, because the Lord preserved them. This is what Jesus is talking about, when He says this generation will not pass away after all this judgement on them, why, because We are not done with them. If God were done with the Jew there would be no Jewish people today, if bring the Messiah was their only purpose, it was served. It's about the Lord's promise to Abraham that the Lord has kept them around to fulfill Hs promise to him. That's why He didn't give up on them in the OT and that's why He hasn't given up on them now.

One more did bit (read and understand) is a translators addition, but it does help to go to Daniel 9:24-27 because verse 27 speaks of the consummation or the regeneration of creation, which means that the seventy weeks are not over. Verse 24 is a quick overview or the index for verse 25-27, at the end of 24 it says that prophetic visions will be fulfilled and we know that hasn't happened yet, there are many prophecies that need to be fulfilled.

 

[Base12]

Thanks Johnny_B.

I'll throw in another meaning...

Generation = Homo Sapiens...

"Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man") is the binomial nomenclature (also known as the scientific name) for the only extant human species"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens

The Human Race has finally reached the point where Hybrid Humanoids are being manufactured in laboratories around the world.

It won't be much longer before Homo Sapiens (i.e. you and I) are extinct.

This verse talks about accelerating the process of said extinction...

Revelation 13:15
"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed"

The Mark of the Beast will be a Transhumanist agenda to become assimilated into the BORG Collective.

Resistance WILL be futile for many unfortunately.

 

[Locutus]

While the Greek genea can be used for a race or stock of people, it's usage in the the new testament is about a particular generation of people - as can be seen from Strong's it usually means the age/period of the persons such as the "Elizabethan age" or the 60's generation.

To try and make genea a race or stock is a weak argument.

Strongs

G1074 genea ghen-eh-ah'

from (a presumed derivative of) G1085;

a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons).

KJV: age, generation, nation, time.


Also if Jesus had meant "this race shall not pass" there is a perfectly good Greek word for that - G1085 genos

It is used in the book of Ester in the Septuagint/LXX:

 

[Johnny_B]

While the Greek genea can be used for a race or stock of people, it's usage in the the new testament is about a particular generation of people - as can be seen from Strong's it usually means the age/period of the persons such as the "Elizabethan age" or the 60's generation.

To try and make genea a race or stock is a weak argument.

Strongs

G1074 genea ghen-eh-ah'

from (a presumed derivative of) G1085;

a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons).

KJV: age, generation, nation, time.


Also if Jesus had meant "this race shall not pass" there is a perfectly good Greek word for that - G1085 genos

It is used in the book of Ester in the Septuagint/LXX:

So are you saying that the dictionary in the Greek New Testament 4th edition, is out weighed by the Strong's dictionary? Because it has genea as meaning "genealogy" which would never mean an age, time or period. One other thing, did you miss the words "(a presumed derivative of) G1085"? Remember they are always learning more about the koine Greek all the time, we know a lot more now then in 1890 when Strong published his concordance with the Hebrew and Greek dictionaries. Just before or around the same time they publishing of it, they discovered many common day papyri in a dump in Egypt which gave greater insight as to the koine Greek. Strong's is a good starting point for new and old believers for general purposes, for more advanced study there are other Greek works that can be used, which used the new discoveries of the late 1800's of the koine Greek, which have been improved on.

After looking at how it's translated, it seems that those translation are the opposite of the Greek Dictionary in the GNT. Luke uses the word geneas with the GNT dictionary has it as, generation, contemporaries; period, age (of time); family, posterity. I'll go with the meanings from the Greek New Testament Dictionary, it's way more up to date then Strong's.

 

[Locutus]

Are you saying that the LXX transalators used G1085 wrongly in Ester?

I could probably find more examples in the LXX.

GNT - Good news?.

A GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT and Other Early Christian Literature


F. WILBUR GINGRICH, FREDRICK W. DANKER:

Geneav

geneav,a`",hJ ( Hom. +; inscr. , pap. , LXX , En. , Philo , Joseph. , Test.12 Patr. , Sib.Or. ) family,descent.

1.lit .,those descended fr. acommon ancestor, a clan ( Pind. ,Pyth. 10, 42 the Hyperboreans are a iJera;geneav ; Diod.S. 18,56, 7; Jos. ,Ant. 17, 220), then race,kindgener. Thismay be the mng. inLk 16:8eij"th;n g. th;n eJautw`n thechildren of this age are more prudent inrelation to their own clan (i.e. ,people of their own kind) than are the children of light, but seeGRBeasley-Murray, A Commentary on Mk 13 ,’57, 99-102. The meaning nation ispossible, e.g. ,in Mt 23:36 ;but s. also2.


2. basically,the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time generation,contemporaries ( Hom. , al. ; BGU 1211,12 [II BC ] e{w"genew`n triw`n );Jesus looks upon the whole contemp. generation of Jews as a uniformmass confronting him hJg. au{th ( cf. Gen 7:1 ;Ps 11:8 )Mt 11:16 ; 12:41f ; 23:36 ; 24:34 ;Mk 13:30 ;


Lk 7:31 ; 11:29,32 , 50f ; 17:25 ; 21:32 (EGraesser, ZNW Beih.22, [SUP]2[/SUP]’60). S. also1 above. This generation is characterized as g.a[pisto" kai; diestrammevnh Mtl7:17; Mk 9:19 D;Lk 9:41 ; a[pisto" Mk 9:19 ; ponhrav Mt 12:45 ; 16:4 D;Lk 11:29 ; ponhra;k. moicaliv" Mt 12:39 ; 16:4 ; moicali;"kai; aJmartwlov" Mk 8:38 (JGuillet, Rechde Sc rel 35,’48, 275-81). Their contemporaries appeared to the Christians as g.skolia; kai; diestrammevnh (thelatter term as Mt 17:17 ;Lk 9:41 ,the former also Ac 2:40 ; cf. Ps 77:8 )Phil 2:15 (Dt 32:5 ).— Cf. Wsd 3:19 .A more favorable kind of g. ismentioned in Ps 23:6 ; 111:2 ; 1 QS3, 14.—The desert generation Hb 3:10 (Ps 94:10 ). ijdiva/g. uJphrethvsa"afterhe had served his own generation Ac 13:36 ; g.hJmw`n1Cl 5:1; aiJpro; hJmw`n g. 19:1; prwvthg.thefirst generation (ofChristians) Hs 9,15, 4 ( Paus. 7,4, 9 tetavrth/genea`/ =inthe fourth generation).

3.age, thetime of a generation (since Hdt. 2,142; Dionys.Hal. 3,15; Gen 50:23 ;Ex 13:18 ; 20:5 ;EpJer 2 ; Philo ,Mos. 1, 7; Jos. ,Ant. 5, 336; Sib.Or. 3,108). Here the original sense gradually disappears, and the mng. ‘aperiod of time’ remains.

 

[Johnny_B]

Are you saying that the LXX transalators used G1085 wrongly in Ester?

I could probably find more examples in the LXX.

GNT - Good news?.

A GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT and Other Early Christian Literature


F. WILBUR GINGRICH, FREDRICK W. DANKER:

Geneav

geneav,a`",hJ ( Hom. +; inscr. , pap. , LXX , En. , Philo , Joseph. , Test.12 Patr. , Sib.Or. ) family,descent.

1.lit .,those descended fr. acommon ancestor, a clan ( Pind. ,Pyth. 10, 42 the Hyperboreans are a iJera;geneav ; Diod.S. 18,56, 7; Jos. ,Ant. 17, 220), then race,kindgener. Thismay be the mng. inLk 16:8eij"th;n g. th;n eJautw`n thechildren of this age are more prudent inrelation to their own clan (i.e. ,people of their own kind) than are the children of light, but seeGRBeasley-Murray, A Commentary on Mk 13 ,’57, 99-102. The meaning nation ispossible, e.g. ,in Mt 23:36 ;but s. also2.


2. basically,the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time generation,contemporaries ( Hom. , al. ; BGU 1211,12 [II BC ] e{w"genew`n triw`n );Jesus looks upon the whole contemp. generation of Jews as a uniformmass confronting him hJg. au{th ( cf. Gen 7:1 ;Ps 11:8 )Mt 11:16 ; 12:41f ; 23:36 ; 24:34 ;Mk 13:30 ;


Lk 7:31 ; 11:29,32 , 50f ; 17:25 ; 21:32 (EGraesser, ZNW Beih.22, [SUP]2[/SUP]’60). S. also1 above. This generation is characterized as g.a[pisto" kai; diestrammevnh Mtl7:17; Mk 9:19 D;Lk 9:41 ; a[pisto" Mk 9:19 ; ponhrav Mt 12:45 ; 16:4 D;Lk 11:29 ; ponhra;k. moicaliv" Mt 12:39 ; 16:4 ; moicali;"kai; aJmartwlov" Mk 8:38 (JGuillet, Rechde Sc rel 35,’48, 275-81). Their contemporaries appeared to the Christians as g.skolia; kai; diestrammevnh (thelatter term as Mt 17:17 ;Lk 9:41 ,the former also Ac 2:40 ; cf. Ps 77:8 )Phil 2:15 (Dt 32:5 ).— Cf. Wsd 3:19 .A more favorable kind of g. ismentioned in Ps 23:6 ; 111:2 ; 1 QS3, 14.—The desert generation Hb 3:10 (Ps 94:10 ). ijdiva/g. uJphrethvsa"afterhe had served his own generation Ac 13:36 ; g.hJmw`n1Cl 5:1; aiJpro; hJmw`n g. 19:1; prwvthg.thefirst generation (ofChristians) Hs 9,15, 4 ( Paus. 7,4, 9 tetavrth/genea`/ =inthe fourth generation).

3.age, thetime of a generation (since Hdt. 2,142; Dionys.Hal. 3,15; Gen 50:23 ;Ex 13:18 ; 20:5 ;EpJer 2 ; Philo ,Mos. 1, 7; Jos. ,Ant. 5, 336; Sib.Or. 3,108). Here the original sense gradually disappears, and the mng. ‘aperiod of time’ remains.

What I'm saying is what the dictionary in the Greek New Testament 4th edition says, are you saying that it's wrong? It has the word for generation in Matthew 24:34 genea, are you saying that the Greek New Testament is wrong?

Were not even talking about the same word, I post the same definition as the one you have for the geneas and the meaning of the Greek word in Matthew 24:34 in the Greek New Testament, so the geneav isn't even an issue for me, because that's not what I'm talking about. Because it's not the word used in the Greek in Matthew 24:34, I'm sorry if it upset your theology, but I can't change the original text for you. That's all I'm talking about why you brought up the LXX is beyond me, plus the structure of the context can change the meaning of a word, so the LXX isn't a problem for me because I'm not talking about geneav. What does BDAG say about genea? Because that is the word that I'm referring to as genealogy, which is more then contemporaries. Geneas is used in Luke 17:26 in the GNT and the majority text GNT interlinear and genea is used in both of them in Matthew 24:24.

I'm not here to argue with anyone, I'm here to learn and help others with what information I have and what little I know. So if I upset you by posting this I'm sorry, that was not my intention, it wasn't posted to upset anyone, it was posted to help give information on the word in the Greek that is in the GNT and it's meaning in it's dictionary. It's not my interpretation it's what's in the dictionary, I didn't write it I just read what I can and share what I can understand. I'm no Greek scholar and I don't play one on the internet, what little I know of the Greek is limited to books and what I can read. I don't know the idioms of koine Greek to be able to know exactly how a word should be interpreted in the structure of the sentences context. In English I know, if, isn't always conditional, as well as in the Greek, but I don't know how to deter that in the Greek. All I can do is give what a dictionary has as the definition or a lexicon, beyond that I can't help.

God Bless Brother.

 

[J7]

Generation, Genea, is not straightforward.

Literally it refers to progeny, as we all know. So if your great great grandfather was Abraham Lincoln, you would be the 4th generation from him, (or 5th? - am not an ancestry specialist).

So genea clearly means a genetic lineage. It also means a set period of time. However it is not obvious what that period of time actually is.

In the wilderness, God decided that that generation would not enter the promised land, excepting Caleb and Joshua.

Taking the dates of 1447 for the escape from Egypt, and 1407 for the crossing of the Jordan, we know that 40 years elapsed before that generation all died off. But God decreed, 'men over 20' in that generation. So that means a generation is at least 60 years.

Psalms 90 tells us:

9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.



So a human's life is determined at 70 years normally, and in exceptional circumstances, 80 years.

So a generation then appears to be 70 (&80) years.


The actual date of creation is 3895 BC. I know that sounds an awfully big statement, but forensic analysis of Scripture, and parallel texts, (The Book Of Jasher is cited an historical record within the Bible), shows 3895 BC to be the actual year of creation. (I can give detailed proof of this if requested).

If we compute in 70 year generations from 3895 BC we arrive at 26 AD at the end of the 56th generation. That means that 26 AD - 96 AD would be the 57th generation. If that is the case, that works very well, because John began the Lord's Ministry in 26 AD, and the other John wrote Revelation in AD 96, as mandated by Christ. (If you feel disputatious, fine, look into it, but these dates are the consensus dates).

So when we understand that generation as AD 26 - 96, Jesus words are not all complicated. Basically Jerusalem would be destroyed and the Levitical priesthood would be annulled before 96 AD.

This then brings us to the genetic meaning of genea. Israel was a genetic construct. The Levitical priesthood likewise. With the passing of the Old Covenant, that would all be swept away, and indeed the destruction of the Temple in AD 70 also entailed the loss of all the genealogical records by which Israelite Ancestry was determined.

Finally, going back to the generation in the wilderness, when we run the 70 year generational clock it lands at 1515 BC and 1445 BC. That means that by 1445 BC the generation who would be destroyed were 22 years old and over. That means that 40 years later, no 22 year old would have lived longer than 62 years of age.

62 is of course the age at which Solomon was taken by God for gross apostasy.