Sabbath

prove-all · Mar 28, 2017

VCO said:

this has to do with the change in the priest hood laws

this is not talking about the 10 commandment laws being changed here.

OneFaith · Mar 28, 2017

prove-all said:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
the peace we are promised is [not going to be in heaven], but here on earth- at that future time

Isaiah 14:7 (KJV)
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Psalms 37:11 (KJV)
But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Daniel 7:22 (KJV)
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Daniel 7:18 (KJV)
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

-a person would have to be inmortal not human

Daniel 7:27 (KJV)
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting
kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The second coming is in actuality a continuation of the first.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

He stop reading just there, close the book, and sit down?

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...

and [the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty
for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD,
that he might be glorified.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations,
and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall
be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers
of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their
portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2.
When He returns, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.

He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

The peace that passes understating is not for the world- but for those who don't belong to the world. And like I said, we do experience this peace/rest now and also in heaven. And the sword is also spiritual. He will turn a mother against daughter, etc because there is a spiritual war going on, not a physical one. Jesus says if someone slaps you on one cheek offer the other- that is a spiritual battle.

garee · Mar 28, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I would agree. Sabbath it’s not a time sensitive word. It means rest with no other meaning attached.

The Holy Spirit calls it To day. If we have our Sabbath rest in Him today we have in effect heard his voice .Our response to that work of hearing God. We believe Him For a faith without works would be dead . God's word is alive.

He informs us as a loving commandment it is He who does make our heart soft by giving us His rest.

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, "To day", after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

The rest is still future and will not come into full realization until we receive our new bodies of death As long as we live in these bodies of we have an opportunity to enter it as we do hear His voice.

So the Sabbath as a ceremonial law remains ,but shadows are not the substance and therefore we cannot judge one another in respect to one. Shadows and types used in various parables as ceremonial laws are used to preach the coming.

They are not the result of coming. That will appear on the last day when we do enter His rest.

The key would be having a proper understanding in respect to the phrase “mix with faith” seeing the lack of it prevents us from entering His rest.

garee · Mar 28, 2017

Correction it was to read...

The rest is still future and will not come into full realization until we receive our new bodies.As long as we live in these bodies of death we have an opportunity to enter it as we do hear His voice.

Grace777x70 · Mar 28, 2017

prove-all said:

Many have already told you that they follow Christ and not any day - Saturday or Sunday. That Christ Himself is our true Sabbath. The Sabbath is a picture of Christ as He is the real substance - not the law of Moses. We are not going to desert Christ for your law keeping.

Unfortunately you are exchanging Christ Himself for the law of Moses and you are in essence breaking the 1st commandment of the very Law of Moses that you tell others to keep.

We live by the life of Christ within us now - not a carnal following of a command from the Old Covenant.

As far as the 10 commandments go - here is what Paul said about them.

The 10 commandments were called the ministry of condemnation and of death by Paul. We can trust the life of Christ in us to live godly in this world.

The grace of God "teaches" now in the New Covenant how to deny ungodliness and to live sensibly, righteous and godly in this present age - NOT the law of Moses. Titus 2:11-12

The 10 commandments are called the "letter that kills" and the "ministry of death" - The New Covenant is called the "ministry of the Spirit" that brings Life.

The 10 commandments were called "the ministry of condemnation" - the New Covenant is called "the ministry of righteousness." This is Christ's righteousness given to us that believe.

2 Corinthians 3:6-9 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

[SUP]8 [/SUP] how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

[SUP]9 [/SUP] For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.

The law of Moses including the 10 commandments are like an x-ray machine - they show up things that are wrong but the x-ray machine has no power to "fix it".

It just reveals what is wrong. It's the same here for Christ Himself and His life in our new hearts is the only thing that can "fix us" with a transformed live.

Grace777x70 · Mar 28, 2017

The law of Moses including the 10 commandments are like an x-ray machine - they show up things that are wrong but the x-ray machine has no power to "fix it".

It just reveals what is wrong. It's the same here for Christ Himself and His life in our new hearts is the only thing that can "fix us" with a transformed live.

In relation to the Sabbath - it shows that we are not resting in Christ Himself and His finished work of the cross and resurrection but in an external keeping of an ordinance. Jesus Himself is our true Sabbath rest and He is the real substance in relation to all the law of Moses.

Don't be fooled by Judaizers who are trying to get you to "observe a certain day" - as this will rob you of the true life of Christ which is only found in Him by grace through faith alone.

MadebyHim · Mar 28, 2017

Such widespread use of forms of the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week, Saturday, is clear evidence that speakers of these languages understood which day is the Sabbath.
Likewise, the fact that in no language do we see “Sabbath” similarly linked with Sunday, the first day of the week, is an obvious confirmation that this day never was considered the biblical Sabbath until later religious leaders tried to substitute Sunday for the true Sabbath day.

Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota

prove-all · Mar 28, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

1 John 5:2 (KJV)
By this we know that we love the children of God,
when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Revelation 14:12 (KJV)
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God,
[and] the faith of Jesus.
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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:
I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle
shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

- Christ said the law was not going anywhere, to back his statement up its said...

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

but whosoever shall do and teach them,
the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

-people say he did not say what he ment, care to explain plain verses here above,
about the least or the greatest here teaching the law? or about the oracles given to us?

resurrection33 · Mar 28, 2017

june123 said:

I am sorry if my post upset anyone, it was not meant too.

I can not find any where in the Bible where God said we could chose which of the commandments we kept. Nor that we could change the day.

Yes Resurrection33, I chose not to join a church that does not keep the commandments,

I pray every day that God will put the truth in my heart and to show me the way.

Exodus 31:12–13 stresses again the truth that the sabbath signifies our utter reliance on God's grace.
And the Lord said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you."
The sabbath is a sign. It points to a truth that we are never to forget. The truth is that God (and not we ourselves) has sanctified us. He has chosen us and set us apart and worked to make us distinct among the peoples of the earth.

Traditionally, Christians consider Sunday to be the sabbath. How that came about, I don't know, but I'm not about to deprive myself of the church experience just because they might be off by a day. None of us is perfect.

VCO · Mar 28, 2017

prove-all said:

Romans 14:4-5 (RSV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Master is able to make him stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] One man esteems one day as better than another, while another man esteems all days alike. Let every one be fully convinced in his own mind.

I worship my LORD and SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST EVERYDAY OF MY LIFE, and I am fully Convinced that my worship is acceptable to my LORD, my GOD. It is not keeping of the Day constitutes true Worship, it is what is going on in your Heart that constitutes TRUE WORSHIP.

John 4:23-24 (ASV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for such doth the Father seek to be his worshippers.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

Exodus 31:13-17 (RSV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Say to the people of Israel, `You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] You shall keep the sabbath, because it is holy for you; every one who profanes it shall be put to death; whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall be put to death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] It is a sign for ever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.'"

2 Corinthians 3:6-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit produces life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory, so that the Israelites were not able to look directly at Moses’ face because of the glory from his face—a fading ⌊glory⌋—
[SUP]8 [/SUP] how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness overflows with even more glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] In fact, what had been glorious is not glorious now by comparison because of the glory that surpasses it.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For if what was fading away was glorious, what endures will be even more glorious.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore, having such a hope, we use great boldness.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] ⌊We are⌋ not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the Israelites could not stare at the the end of what was fading away,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] but their minds were closed. For to this day, at the reading of the old covenant, the same veil remains; it is not lifted, because it is set aside ⌊only⌋ in Christ.

Hebrews 7:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

7:11-12.

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7:12-14

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Romans 6:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Grace777x70 · Mar 28, 2017

prove-all said:

John gave us exactly what His commandments are as you read his letter. Only John talks about keeping His commandments and John ought to know what they are.

It is NOT the law of Moses. Law-keepers see the word "commandment and law" and all they can see is the law of Moses. Law means a principle as in the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus which we live by now and the law of faith - the Law of Moses is NOT of faith. The law of love - the law of Christ Himself in us now.

Here John tells us exactly what those commandments are.

1 John 3:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

The purpose of the law of Moses was to expose sin and inflame sin and to lead us to Christ so that is why Jesus said not to water down the law to make it seem "do-able" and we do that by breaking them and those that water down the law of Moses will be called the least in the kingdom. They are still in the kingdom - it's just that they have not obeyed the Lord in the New Covenant.

All law of Moses keepers break the law of Moses all the time and they are the very ones that teach others we don't have to keep the whole law anymore. They have exchanged Christ Himself for their law of Moses keeping and thus broken the 1st commandment.

James says to break one law is to break them all. So, unless you are following the 613 laws perfectly and still doing animal sacrifices - all law-keepers break the very Law that they try to get others in bondage to and try to get believers to desert Christ.

We will not desert Christ for the Law of Moses. We are in the New Covenant which is build upon better promises.

3angels · Mar 28, 2017

My encouragement to everyone would be to study the bible diligently for yourself and be willing to humble yourself to what the bible actually teach on the Sabbath. We need to study both the old and new testament in order to get the fuller picture of what the bible or God wants to reveal to us. There are scriptures which is harder to understand where it looks like the scripture contradict each other. Peter mentioned that about the writings of Paul. So people twist the word to their destruction. Yet to me truth exist and we must search for it with all our hearts and be willing to accept or to reject it. None of us can convince anyone of truth. Jesus said none come to Him unless the Father calls them. Let keep asking for wisdom and understanding and Our Father will give it to you.

prove-all · Mar 28, 2017

VCO said:

15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?

God forbid.

june123 · Mar 28, 2017

It has been very interesting reading all your comments,

Sadly I am not as informed regarding the Bible as many of you, and I have a lot of reading to do, but from all I have read I can find no change in the 10 commandments or any where its says we can pick and chose which we will keep or not, What better way is there for me to show our Lord that I will do anything in this life to gain every lasting life with Jesus than to follow his commandments, to behave how he instructs.

God Bless.

Embankment · Mar 28, 2017

june123 said:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Magenta · Mar 28, 2017

june123 said:

Jesus said all the law and the prophets were fulfilled in the greatest commandment.

In the New Testament epistles there are only two references to the Sabbath (Col.2:16; Heb.4:4). Paul explains that this day is not a required day to be observed by Christians. The Hebrews in the Old Covenant were under an obligation that no longer applies to New Covenant Jews or Gentiles. There is no command after the death and resurrection of Jesus for the Church to keep the Sabbath as an obligation to Christ. As with much else in the older covenants, the Sabbath is a foreshadowing of the rest we find in Christ.

Here is an interesting page on the matter: Early Christians always met on the First day (Sunday) and never kept the sabbath!

garee · Mar 28, 2017

Not good enough, just good as in perfect/complete.He will not share His glory with the clay he is forming.

His good work is good enough. If he began it he will finish it all the way to the end..

Remember it is God who does the mighty work in us to both will and do His good pleasure... according to the faith as a work of God, called a work of faith .By it we can as new creatures.... believe to the salvation of one’s new soul . We are to have no confidence in the dead flesh. nothing.

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God”, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Joh 6:28 ......not of their own selves.

A imagined salvation comes from the imaginations of one heart as their own source of faith.(the unseen eternal) ) produced by a false pride. No man will be found with a righteousness of their own.

We are counted righteous through His work of faith not of our own faith which is dead in trespasses and sins. And because no one of their own volition seeks after God not seen, they therefore have no spiritual understanding.

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom 3:10

He must do the first work called the hearing of faith (Christ’s) it turns us toward him who has no form and then we can repent. We could never get our own selves right with Him .How would a person find Him so that then they could repent?

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Jer 31:18

We are counted righteous(imputed) by the work of Christ faith Having His faith in respect to one’s own self is simply to blaspheme the Holy name by which we are called.

Without Christ doing the first work every time, you can do nothing that could please Him. A person must be born again from above.

june123 · Mar 28, 2017

[FONT=open_sansregular] "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" ([/FONT]Matthew 19:17[FONT=open_sansregular]). Jesus' answer clearly showed He was speaking of the Ten Commandments.

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Magenta · Mar 28, 2017

june123 said:

Jesus also said that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

“The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16–17).

There is no obligation for the New Testament believer to keep the Sabbath. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is our Sabbath rest. According to the way the Sabbath was understood in Jesus' day, He broke the Sabbath. Do you agree with those who accused Him so?

“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” (Colossians 2:16–17).

garee · Mar 28, 2017

In the original autographs we find that the word Sabbath as rest term. Not a time sensitive word . The paraphrases seemed to have some difficulty in keeping with the original authgroaphs . to fast TWICE on a specific day (the Sabbath)" did not make sense to them .

The fasting twice in the Sabbath must of confused them. It was a prideful remark from a Pharisee . At that time period the oral traditions of the fathers as a oral tradition of men allowed the Jew to eat three what they called kosher meal on the Sabbath. The man was simply bragging he was more righteous ,he fasted only twice of that day.

The literal translation that does not add a time sensitive word reads

Matthew 28Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

It could be paraphrased as below. But again a rest term has nothing to do with a time element .Every day is a Sabbath day to a Christian

And on the last of the old testament Sabbaths (rest not week) ), at the dawn, toward the first of the new era of sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

We are not to add others meaning to a word it can and does take away the authors intent.

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