Flood - worldwide or local?

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Locutus

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For something not completely different...:p





 

Dino246

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Worldwide.

Genesis 7:19-20 "The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered. The water prevailed fifteen cubits higher, and the mountains were covered."

That verse by itself is enough to "drown" the local-flood theory. Geologic evidence worldwide only reinforces it.

There are many good videos on the subject. One is "Mt. St. Helens: Explosive Evidence for Creation".
 
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Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

The water for Noah’s flood had two sources:
  1. The “fountains of the great deep”,the subterranean water chambers(that were responsible for the mist in Genesis 2:6)were broken up;this means that the crust of the earth cracked,and water under high pressure gushed out.
  2. The “windows of the heavens”–the water vapor canopy above the atmosphere.

Notice that the breaking up of the subterranean reservoirs would mean a lot of geologic upheavals.When the crust breaks open, lava breaks out to the surface.This is what happens in a volcano,but it happened on a much larger scale in the flood.Lava rushing down a mountain slope would suddenly bury large amounts of flora and fauna–that’s just the right criterion for fossilization.Surely enough,large ensembles of plants and animals in awkward positions have been found as fossils.The Bible records that the flood destroyed was global and that it destroyed all non-aquatic macroscopic life outside the ark(Genesis 7:18-24).

There was more to it than only rain that came upon the earth,which is what throws some people off,for they think how can rain cause a flood like that for it would seem like it would have to rain a whole lot longer than it did to cause a flood like that.
 
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BeyondET

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Local,,, plucked a tree leaf, trees still standing, living somewhere.
 
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Adstar

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World wide... Most peoples have a world flood story in their cultures history..
 
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BeyondET

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World wide... Most peoples have a world flood story in their cultures history..
That is interesting, like most peoples have a religion as well.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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worldwide.. ALL flesh died (except Noah and his family)

Science still is in effect, if the highest mountain on earth is covered and over 15 cubits above it.. It could not have been a local flood.
 
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BeyondET

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worldwide.. ALL flesh died (except Noah and his family)

Science still is in effect, if the highest mountain on earth is covered and over 15 cubits above it.. It could not have been a local flood.
But how high was the highest mountain in time of the flood, Upon when did the leaf grow upon the tree after the flood.
 

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But how high was the highest mountain in time of the flood, Upon when did the leaf grow upon the tree after the flood.
Why this question about a leaf growing on a tree?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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But how high was the highest mountain in time of the flood, Upon when did the leaf grow upon the tree after the flood.
It does not matter how tall it was, Only that it was covered with water by 15 cubits. which means it could not have been a local flood.

As for the leaf. Ever been to a flood zone, Even a fire zone? Things return back to life quite quickly..
 
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It does not matter how tall it was, Only that it was covered with water by 15 cubits. which means it could not have been a local flood.

As for the leaf. Ever been to a flood zone, Even a fire zone? Things return back to life quite quickly..
That is interesting for 15 cubits is equal to 7.5 yards or 24.5 feet.

do trees grow back in forty days or a year, where the seeds protected during the flood.
 
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That is interesting for 15 cubits is equal to 7.5 yards or 24.5 feet.
Yes, And that means the water was that distance above the highest peak according to the word.

do trees grow back in forty days or a year, where the seeds protected during the flood.
How long does it take for the fastest growing tree to grow into a tree capable of of producing leaves? And to be honest, What dioes it matter, I do not understand your questioning or the meaning behind it.
 

valiant

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worldwide.. ALL flesh died (except Noah and his family)


It therefore only need to reach as far as man had spread.

Science still is in effect, if the highest mountain on earth is covered and over 15 cubits above it.. It could not have been a local flood.
It was not a 'local' flood. It was a large flood. But that does not mean that it had to be literally worldwide. The phraseology only demanded that the mountains that could be seen were covered. And the earth is ROUND.

How did they know the coverage went to fifteen cubits? Because the ark (30 cubits high) did not touch any. The writer only wrote about what he could see. Worldwide was unknown to him. Indeed if he were in Mesopotamia the Himalayas and the Alps were unknown to him.,
 
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BeyondET

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Why this question about a leaf growing on a tree?
Because of its value mentioned in the bible. Simply put IMO the olive tree leaf account is all i need to logically know it's was a local event, any other theory speculations and the like are just that.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It therefore only need to reach as far as man had spread.
True, but we still have to go by what the bible says, If god said he flooded the whole earth he did it,,

It was not a 'local' flood. It was a large flood. But that does not mean that it had to be literally worldwide. The phraseology only demanded that the mountains that could be seen were covered. And the earth is ROUND.
Seen? The bible does not ay the mountains that could be seen, it says the highest mountain on all the earth. mountains was covered.. not sure where you get this, can you show me?

and yes the earth is round, which helps prove a global flood
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2 Peter 3: [SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, [SUP]6 [/SUP]by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Even Peter understood it to be global flood.



How did they know the coverage went to fifteen cubits? Because the ark (30 cubits high) did not touch any. The writer only wrote about what he could see. Worldwide was unknown to him. Indeed if he were in Mesopotamia the Himalayas and the Alps were unknown to him.,
The bible is God breathed, God told him what to right,, It is called inspiration.
 
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It therefore only need to reach as far as man had spread.



It was not a 'local' flood. It was a large flood. But that does not mean that it had to be literally worldwide. The phraseology only demanded that the mountains that could be seen were covered. And the earth is ROUND.

How did they know the coverage went to fifteen cubits? Because the ark (30 cubits high) did not touch any. The writer only wrote about what he could see. Worldwide was unknown to him. Indeed if he were in Mesopotamia the Himalayas and the Alps were unknown to him.,
I agree it could have well been a larger regional flood covering a vast area, though I stand in my view as not a world event. To much mass destruction of the natural world, would may imply a need for recreation of things. There's only one account of moving over the water and dry land appeared. I've read somewhere some folks believe the grand cannon and the Great Lakes etc. was created from a global flood.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Because of its value mentioned in the bible. Simply put IMO the olive tree leaf account is all i need to logically know it's was a local event, any other theory speculations and the like are just that.
can you elaborate? one thing proves it was not a global flood? even though science shows that there was a major earth catastrophic event which changed things as we know it?
 
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can you elaborate? one thing proves it was not a global flood? even though science shows that there was a major earth catastrophic event which changed things as we know it?
Well I believe that when the dove came back and had a olive leaf, simply is saying not a whole world event, if I lived on a island my whole life and the whole island flooded, I would think that the whole world flooded because that island would be my whole world. Same in Noah times, the people in the region IMO were not world travelers, nothing implies in scripture they traveled the world by land and sea.