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Jesus is man. God has both aspects of male and female. Wisdom is called a her because of the word Sophia, meaning wisdom.
I understand more of your diagrams now Base. Thanks.
Magenta...I disagree with you about trees allegorical for mankind. Thinking of one scripture that says we are trees planted by the river...am tired but am sure you know the scripture so am not looking for it.
Plus, I didn't say only two know about the point of what I have been shown. Only about the vision. This has to do with Sonship. Not going into that here.
I do regret using that scripture now since it caused confusion. Its the revelation of Paul in picture form. If you don't understand what I see....its ok. There are many things I hear and yet do not understand. Takes time.
Blessings guys...
I understand more of your diagrams now Base. Thanks.
Magenta...I disagree with you about trees allegorical for mankind. Thinking of one scripture that says we are trees planted by the river...am tired but am sure you know the scripture so am not looking for it.
Plus, I didn't say only two know about the point of what I have been shown. Only about the vision. This has to do with Sonship. Not going into that here.
I do regret using that scripture now since it caused confusion. Its the revelation of Paul in picture form. If you don't understand what I see....its ok. There are many things I hear and yet do not understand. Takes time.
Blessings guys...
~Rom 11:16 If the first part of the dough is holy, so is the whole batch. If the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 Now if some of the branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive branch, have been grafted in their place to share the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast about being better than the other branches. If you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19 Then you will say, "Branches were cut off so that I could be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 That's right! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you remain only because of faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid!
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly will not spare you, either.
Rom 11:22 Consider, then, the kindness and severity of God: his severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness toward you—if you continue receiving his kindness. Otherwise, you too will be cut off.
Rom 11:23 If the Jews do not persist in their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, because God is able to graft them in.
Rom 11:24 After all, if you were cut off from what is naturally a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much easier it will be for these natural branches to be grafted back into their own olive tree!
The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
Rom 11:25 For I want to let you know about this secret, brothers, so that you will not claim to be wiser than you are: Stubbornness has come to part of Israel until the full number of the gentiles comes to faith.
Rom 11:26 In this way, all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.
Rom 11:27 This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
Rom 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake, but as far as election is concerned, they are loved for the sake of their ancestors.
Rom 11:29 For God's gifts and calling never change.
Rom 11:30 For just as you disobeyed God in the past but now have received his mercy because of their disobedience,
Rom 11:31 so they, too, have now disobeyed. As a result, they may receive mercy because of the mercy shown to you.
Rom 11:32 For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Rom 11:33 O how deep are God's riches, and wisdom, and knowledge! How unfathomable are his decisions and unexplainable are his ways!
Rom 11:34 Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become his adviser?
Rom 11:35 Or who has given him something only to have him pay it back?"
Rom 11:36 For all things are from him, by him, and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen.
Well, I agree with you about Jesus being the root here.
Rom 11:17 Now if some of the branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive branch, have been grafted in their place to share the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast about being better than the other branches. If you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19 Then you will say, "Branches were cut off so that I could be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 That's right! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you remain only because of faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid!
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly will not spare you, either.
Rom 11:22 Consider, then, the kindness and severity of God: his severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness toward you—if you continue receiving his kindness. Otherwise, you too will be cut off.
Rom 11:23 If the Jews do not persist in their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, because God is able to graft them in.
Rom 11:24 After all, if you were cut off from what is naturally a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much easier it will be for these natural branches to be grafted back into their own olive tree!
The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
Rom 11:25 For I want to let you know about this secret, brothers, so that you will not claim to be wiser than you are: Stubbornness has come to part of Israel until the full number of the gentiles comes to faith.
Rom 11:26 In this way, all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.
Rom 11:27 This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
Rom 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake, but as far as election is concerned, they are loved for the sake of their ancestors.
Rom 11:29 For God's gifts and calling never change.
Rom 11:30 For just as you disobeyed God in the past but now have received his mercy because of their disobedience,
Rom 11:31 so they, too, have now disobeyed. As a result, they may receive mercy because of the mercy shown to you.
Rom 11:32 For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Rom 11:33 O how deep are God's riches, and wisdom, and knowledge! How unfathomable are his decisions and unexplainable are his ways!
Rom 11:34 Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become his adviser?
Rom 11:35 Or who has given him something only to have him pay it back?"
Rom 11:36 For all things are from him, by him, and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen.
Well, I agree with you about Jesus being the root here.
Also Magenta...almost forgot this. We are going to be in heaven until there is a new world created. Then we will receive the new bodies and Father Himself will live among us.
Not Eden. I actually think each of us has an eden in our heart, with two trees. One is the tree we are naturally born into and the other is the tree of life that we are born again into.
If you disagree...tell me why.
Not Eden. I actually think each of us has an eden in our heart, with two trees. One is the tree we are naturally born into and the other is the tree of life that we are born again into.
If you disagree...tell me why.
I believe when we die we are returned to the elements of the earth, dust to dust, and know nothing until the resurrection and judgement of all. The dead know nothing; there is no consciousness in death. The soul is not immortal and has no life of its own; only God is immortal. Life ever after is attained only through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus upon the cross. It is true the natural man is in need of being reborn spiritually. The flesh counts for nothing. I am not sure what you mean by not Eden, then elaborate on Eden as being within us. Agricultural metaphors certainly abound in Scripture 
Whatever you want to call the new creation is fine. Many seem to refer to it as heaven but think of heaven as something else, so they come across as somewhat confused, actually. Whether we say it is the restored earth or a new earth, either is correct according to Scripture. All things will be made new. Maybe you are just talking about our heart of flesh and not the restored universe?
Whatever you want to call the new creation is fine. Many seem to refer to it as heaven but think of heaven as something else, so they come across as somewhat confused, actually. Whether we say it is the restored earth or a new earth, either is correct according to Scripture. All things will be made new. Maybe you are just talking about our heart of flesh and not the restored universe?
S
Well I disagree with you. Nobody's going to be spending any time in heaven. The believers destiny after death is Paradise where they will wait until Jesus returns to earth with them and join their bodies in resurrection to be made immortal and live with Him forever. We will be getting new bodies we will be getting glorified bodies.
Hello StanJ,
Believers are indeed going to spend time in heaven, which will take place when the Lord fulfills his promise of John 14:1-3:
"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
So Jesus went to prepare places for all believers in the Father's house (heaven) and he is coming back to get us and take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he prepared. His coming to get the church, dead and living, is given in detail in 1 Thes.4:13-17.
Regarding the Father's house, the kingdom of God, Jesus said the following at the last supper:
"I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
The gathering of the church approaching quickly, where the Lord will descend and gather the dead and the living removing us from the earth prior to his wrath being poured out. It is during this time when the church will be judged at the Bema seat of Christ and will receive our fine linen, white and clean at the wedding of the Lamb (Rev.19:6-8).
When it is time for the Lord to return to the earth to end the age, we will be following Him out of heaven riding on those white horses and wearing the fine linen, white and clean that we will have previously received. - Rev.17:14, 19:14
Believers are indeed going to spend time in heaven, which will take place when the Lord fulfills his promise of John 14:1-3:
"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
So Jesus went to prepare places for all believers in the Father's house (heaven) and he is coming back to get us and take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he prepared. His coming to get the church, dead and living, is given in detail in 1 Thes.4:13-17.
Regarding the Father's house, the kingdom of God, Jesus said the following at the last supper:
"I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
The gathering of the church approaching quickly, where the Lord will descend and gather the dead and the living removing us from the earth prior to his wrath being poured out. It is during this time when the church will be judged at the Bema seat of Christ and will receive our fine linen, white and clean at the wedding of the Lamb (Rev.19:6-8).
When it is time for the Lord to return to the earth to end the age, we will be following Him out of heaven riding on those white horses and wearing the fine linen, white and clean that we will have previously received. - Rev.17:14, 19:14
S
No sorry God's house is the New Jerusalem which is what Jesus is building in heaven and from where it will descend as indicated in Revelation 20. Jesus made it very clear while he was here on Earth that paradise is the destination for the believer after they die. John 1:18 clearly shows that nobody has ever been to heaven.
I believe when we die we are returned to the elements of the earth, dust to dust, and know nothing until the resurrection and judgement of all. The dead know nothing; there is no consciousness in death. The soul is not immortal and has no life of its own; only God is immortal. Life ever after is attained only through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus upon the cross. It is true the natural man is in need of being reborn spiritually. The flesh counts for nothing. I am not sure what you mean by not Eden, then elaborate on Eden as being within us. Agricultural metaphors certainly abound in Scripture
Whatever you want to call the new creation is fine. Many seem to refer to it as heaven but think of heaven as something else, so they come across as somewhat confused, actually. Whether we say it is the restored earth or a new earth, either is correct according to Scripture. All things will be made new. Maybe you are just talking about our heart of flesh and not the restored universe?
Whatever you want to call the new creation is fine. Many seem to refer to it as heaven but think of heaven as something else, so they come across as somewhat confused, actually. Whether we say it is the restored earth or a new earth, either is correct according to Scripture. All things will be made new. Maybe you are just talking about our heart of flesh and not the restored universe?
The language of the Hebrews itself paints pictures. Not all appreciate this and I understand that. But, it's how I think, and I love it.
Thanks for sharing this pic. A vine is a tree according to Scripture.
Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
When you look at the real Hebrew word here in Num.6:4 - there is no word for tree. The KJV translators added that word "tree" in the text on their own.
The real word is just vine itself and the Hebrews have a completely different word for "tree" then they have for vine.
But maybe the vine can be classified as a tree botanically by man himself?
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I agree. According to our classification - an olive tree is a tree and a vine is a vine - and it appears to not be classified as a tree.
The olive tree is a small tree. Its scientific name is Olea europaea.
A vine (Latin vīnea "grapevine", "vineyard", from vīnum "wine") in the narrowest sense is the grapevine (Vitis), but more generally it can refer to any plant with a growth habit of trailing or scandent (that is, climbing) stems or runners. They can grow around trees.
Here is a pic of an olive tree
Isn't it wonderful to know that we Gentiles are grafted in with those that the promises of God have been given to? We have this by grace through faith in Christ's work. Thank you Jesus!
The olive tree is a small tree. Its scientific name is Olea europaea.
A vine (Latin vīnea "grapevine", "vineyard", from vīnum "wine") in the narrowest sense is the grapevine (Vitis), but more generally it can refer to any plant with a growth habit of trailing or scandent (that is, climbing) stems or runners. They can grow around trees.
Here is a pic of an olive tree
Isn't it wonderful to know that we Gentiles are grafted in with those that the promises of God have been given to? We have this by grace through faith in Christ's work. Thank you Jesus!
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