The protection of God

[imfinallyfree]

What is meant by this?

Im very new to Christian study so im trying to understand more than just the basic common sense of the Bible like "thou shall not kill".

I read that God said that if you put complete faith in Him that He will protect you from the demons conversely if you don't put complete faith in Him He CANNOT protect you from the demons.

It didn't say that He won't but that He can't so this isn't a question of Him being a nice guy apparently for those that don't put complete faith in Him (which I think means trusting that His advice is valid) He literally can't protect them from the demons because of choices that they made.

Keep in mind that these are my interpretations as a new comer and im running them by you learned good Christians for feedback.

By protecting from the demons is that literal? I've never seen a demon has anyone else?are they talking about something that's going to happen in the future when real demons will attack people?

Or are these demons not physically apparent in this world?maybe in another dimension? Are these demons metaphorical?maybe each of us has the capacity to let these metaphorical demons control of us turning us into demons....metaphorically speaking?

What would be your description of a person that is working for the dark powers so I guess could be controlled by demons so not under the protection of God?

Would it be someone whether knowingly or unknowingly that is actively turning people away from God?would that be a good description of someone not under the protection of God so they are influenced by the dark powers to work in the interest of darkness?

I've also read that chaos is satans ultimate goal.

Isn't confusion a precursor to chaos?

So if you have people that are self professed teachers of Gods word making the learning of God's word so confusing that people turn away from learning God's word couldn't you say that they are working for the powers of darkness because that's who's benefiting from those people turning from God?

Is this whats really meant when God says that He can't protect those that don't have faith in Him?

I could be wrong but when He says faith He means it absolutely doesn't He? Is there such a thing as partial faith or conditional faith?

How can one be partially faithful? How does that work?

Can a man or woman be partially faithful to their spouse?

Is that like clinton hitting but not inhaling?

Thanks for your patience and guidance.

 

[Depleted]

What is meant by this?

Im very new to Christian study so im trying to understand more than just the basic common sense of the Bible like "thou shall not kill".

I read that God said that if you put complete faith in Him that He will protect you from the demons conversely if you don't put complete faith in Him He CANNOT protect you from the demons.

It didn't say that He won't but that He can't so this isn't a question of Him being a nice guy apparently for those that don't put complete faith in Him (which I think means trusting that His advice is valid) He literally can't protect them from the demons because of choices that they made.

To answer your questions, (if I can -- I don't know yet), I'd have to see what you're seeing. Where do you see this thing about complete faith, protection from demons, and God's protection? I can't think of any spot in the Bible that says that. (Also, don't have it memorized, so that could just be a blank spot in my mind.)

 

[samuel23]

Well, some bad folks have demons helping them, and most good Christians have demons trying to attack them. The good news is that God is greater then any demon and can protect us. Jesus and Paul warned us to watch out for attacks from Satan, so it is good for a believer to be on their guard. In this life there is no guaranteed all the time protection from the powers of Satan.

 

[wsblind]

What is meant by this?

Im very new to Christian study so im trying to understand more than just the basic common sense of the Bible like "thou shall not kill".

I read that God said that if you put complete faith in Him that He will protect you from the demons conversely if you don't put complete faith in Him He CANNOT protect you from the demons.

It didn't say that He won't but that He can't so this isn't a question of Him being a nice guy apparently for those that don't put complete faith in Him (which I think means trusting that His advice is valid) He literally can't protect them from the demons because of choices that they made.

Keep in mind that these are my interpretations as a new comer and im running them by you learned good Christians for feedback.

By protecting from the demons is that literal? I've never seen a demon has anyone else?are they talking about something that's going to happen in the future when real demons will attack people?

Or are these demons not physically apparent in this world?maybe in another dimension? Are these demons metaphorical?maybe each of us has the capacity to let these metaphorical demons control of us turning us into demons....metaphorically speaking?

What would be your description of a person that is working for the dark powers so I guess could be controlled by demons so not under the protection of God?

Would it be someone whether knowingly or unknowingly that is actively turning people away from God?would that be a good description of someone not under the protection of God so they are influenced by the dark powers to work in the interest of darkness?

I've also read that chaos is satans ultimate goal.

Isn't confusion a precursor to chaos?

So if you have people that are self professed teachers of Gods word making the learning of God's word so confusing that people turn away from learning God's word couldn't you say that they are working for the powers of darkness because that's who's benefiting from those people turning from God?

Is this whats really meant when God says that He can't protect those that don't have faith in Him?

I could be wrong but when He says faith He means it absolutely doesn't He? Is there such a thing as partial faith or conditional faith?

How can one be partially faithful? How does that work?

Can a man or woman be partially faithful to their spouse?

Is that like clinton hitting but not inhaling?

Thanks for your patience and guidance.

JIMBO43..............your pathetic. And I hope Not ONE believer here falls for your **edited**.

 

[imfinallyfree]

Why do you call me jimbo? because I really am not,have you read my posts and his posts and compared them?you should do that.

For the other poster I don't know exactly where this stuff is im using computer searching and the passages that come up,Im aware that people can put anything that they want ob the internet so I don't trust blindly this is one of the reasons that I'm asking here,more than one site has this stuff theres some minor differences because of different Bible versions and they state that.

Maybe you don't have a real Bible but a bible,I'm not trying to be insulting or argumentative please bear with me.

Had I not just come from a community that writes their own Bible I would have thought that you are being sarcastic.

Their Bible's have crucial points taken out or changed maybe yours does also what does yours say about incest?theirs tells them that it's the parents job to teach their children sex so that they are good for their spouse's when they marry ,their bible also tells them that anyone not white is a soulless animal,also their bible removed the part about not practicing sorcery is that like yours?

I don't think that multiple site are wrong do a search yourself on these things that I mentioned and you'll find the same.

Im not making this up there are rewritten bibles out there I guess.

 

[imfinallyfree]

From what I understand there are different versions of the Bible but they all hold true on the crucial points there differences are in phrasing.

I didn't even know about people rewriting bibles until I went to that community maybe it's not people but actual demons rewriting bibles because they seemed honestly perplexed.

The lady that owned the place where I worked offered her young daughter who wasn't even 12 to me and said that her church told her that this is what they do God told them to.

Also there Bible says that women need to be beaton periodically so that they don't lose their rightful place in the world does yours say these things?

That stuff is obviously not what God wants because think about it incest sometimes causes pregnancy which taints the human gene pool with defects,this is a fact proven by science.

Nobody is supposed to be beaten certainly not women just for being women,I agree that they are difficult to coexist with that's why I don't do it or try to anymore,seriously though NOBODY is supposed to be beaten.

 

[88]

What is meant by this?

Im very new to Christian study so im trying to understand more than just the basic common sense of the Bible like "thou shall not kill".

I read that God said that if you put complete faith in Him that He will protect you from the demons conversely if you don't put complete faith in Him He CANNOT protect you from the demons.

It didn't say that He won't but that He can't so this isn't a question of Him being a nice guy apparently for those that don't put complete faith in Him (which I think means trusting that His advice is valid) He literally can't protect them from the demons because of choices that they made.

Keep in mind that these are my interpretations as a new comer and im running them by you learned good Christians for feedback.

By protecting from the demons is that literal? I've never seen a demon has anyone else?are they talking about something that's going to happen in the future when real demons will attack people?

Or are these demons not physically apparent in this world?maybe in another dimension? Are these demons metaphorical?maybe each of us has the capacity to let these metaphorical demons control of us turning us into demons....metaphorically speaking?

What would be your description of a person that is working for the dark powers so I guess could be controlled by demons so not under the protection of God?

Would it be someone whether knowingly or unknowingly that is actively turning people away from God?would that be a good description of someone not under the protection of God so they are influenced by the dark powers to work in the interest of darkness?

I've also read that chaos is satans ultimate goal.

Isn't confusion a precursor to chaos?

So if you have people that are self professed teachers of Gods word making the learning of God's word so confusing that people turn away from learning God's word couldn't you say that they are working for the powers of darkness because that's who's benefiting from those people turning from God?

Is this whats really meant when God says that He can't protect those that don't have faith in Him?

I could be wrong but when He says faith He means it absolutely doesn't He? Is there such a thing as partial faith or conditional faith?

How can one be partially faithful? How does that work?

Can a man or woman be partially faithful to their spouse?

Is that like clinton hitting but not inhaling?

Thanks for your patience and guidance.

*** we grow in trust and faith--- God will protect you don't be fearful--- trust God to keep and guide you with simple child-like faith--- a young child does not fret but leans upon his dad...

 

[imfinallyfree]

People are making their own laws they are rewriting the Bible which God's law and it's detrimental to the functionality of the world.

A quantifiable example is Native American reservations,they have some of the highest rates of suicide...this is fact....you can check more than one source for yourself.

Those suicides are because those Natives that stay on reservations because they are given free food and housing never earn those things through hard work so they aren't even aware of necessary principles like self respect...self respect is earned by learning self worth which happens when you get the satisfaction of earning for yourself and achieving the goals that you set like working 40 hrs a week and contributing to the economy with taxes that are taken from your pay check.

Im on a reservation now so I'm seeing this first hand I have family members supporting others with free subsidies because they are making their own laws,able bodied adults are not supposed to be supported all of their lives because it's detrimental to their personal growth,these family members of mine are actually hurting those people by assisting in the stunting of their personal growth,they mean well but they are doing exactly the opposite.

Trump is deporting mothers with children to care for so that those children grow up without their mother,it's only a matter of time until he stops free subsidies to reservations because of people abusing these subsidies by writing their own laws.

What do you think will happen to generations of natives that have wrongly depended on free subsidies when that happens?they will starve to death.

This is happening because they make their own laws,this is one very good example of why God tells us to NOT make our own laws.

 

[imfinallyfree]

I respectfully disagree with you 88 I think that too many have blindly put their trust in what others teach them of God's advice.

I apologize I mean that YES we should trust in God's advice completely what I mean is that people are misinterpreting God's advice then teaching that misinterpretation to others.

Im learning God's word myself right now and what is commonly taught goes against what He means.

People are leaving things out because it makes them uncomfortable like a part of scripture that says that evil doers and their children will be thrown into to lake of fire ,what they are teaching is unconditional forgiveness.

I always thought that children are exempt from judgement because of their innocence but God his self said that they will be thrown into the lake of fire,they are leaving that part out.

 

[Magenta]

I always thought that children are exempt from judgement because of their innocence but God his self said that they will be thrown into the lake of fire,they are leaving that part out.

They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. Jer 7:31

They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal--something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind. Jer 19:5

 

[Magenta]

I read that God said that if you put complete faith in Him that He will protect you from the demons conversely if you don't put complete faith in Him He CANNOT protect you from the demons.

It didn't say that He won't but that He can't

(NIV) Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[p_rehbein]

Not for nothing, but it appears that you are more interested in having a Political discussion rather than a Biblical one.

Mayhaps you should go to the News Forum and ask your questions there?

 

[MadebyHim]

1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation. Psalm 91

 

[Depleted]

Why do you call me jimbo? because I really am not,have you read my posts and his posts and compared them?you should do that.

For the other poster I don't know exactly where this stuff is im using computer searching and the passages that come up,Im aware that people can put anything that they want ob the internet so I don't trust blindly this is one of the reasons that I'm asking here,more than one site has this stuff theres some minor differences because of different Bible versions and they state that.

Maybe you don't have a real Bible but a bible,I'm not trying to be insulting or argumentative please bear with me.

Had I not just come from a community that writes their own Bible I would have thought that you are being sarcastic.

Their Bible's have crucial points taken out or changed maybe yours does also what does yours say about incest?theirs tells them that it's the parents job to teach their children sex so that they are good for their spouse's when they marry ,their bible also tells them that anyone not white is a soulless animal,also their bible removed the part about not practicing sorcery is that like yours?

I don't think that multiple site are wrong do a search yourself on these things that I mentioned and you'll find the same.

Im not making this up there are rewritten bibles out there I guess.

To put your mind at ease, what's happening with wsblind isn't on you. You've done nothing wrong. You have not inflamed him. He likes to start arguments over nothing in the quickest way possible. This is just what wsblind does. It has little to do with Christianity, except to show that wheat and tare hang together.

I find it easiest just to use the ignore feature. But honestly, it's not you.

 

[imfinallyfree]

No it's not political,people making their own laws is the primary reason that the world is bad like it is, many bad things are a byproduct of that.

I was using native Americans as a example because many people cannot aee the truth when they are involved in the equation it's just natural,and most people here that im asking these questions of are not native Americans so maybe you can see the truth that im saying by looking at them.

Wha I originally posted about is Christians that interpret the Bible how they see fit,that's not political,the advice tjat He gives are His laws.

Another great example is Christian racists that say that only they are going to Heaven.

As I stated,im still learning but I actually God's advice as His laws because not following His advice is what resulted to the world in it's current state.

Not for nothing but I despise politics.

 

[Depleted]

From what I understand there are different versions of the Bible but they all hold true on the crucial points there differences are in phrasing.

I didn't even know about people rewriting bibles until I went to that community maybe it's not people but actual demons rewriting bibles because they seemed honestly perplexed.

The lady that owned the place where I worked offered her young daughter who wasn't even 12 to me and said that her church told her that this is what they do God told them to.

Also there Bible says that women need to be beaton periodically so that they don't lose their rightful place in the world does yours say these things?

That stuff is obviously not what God wants because think about it incest sometimes causes pregnancy which taints the human gene pool with defects,this is a fact proven by science.

Nobody is supposed to be beaten certainly not women just for being women,I agree that they are difficult to coexist with that's why I don't do it or try to anymore,seriously though NOBODY is supposed to be beaten.

I've only known of one cult that rewrote their Bible, and even they didn't so much rewrite the Bible but added their own Bible to the regular Bible. They're the Mormons.

Most cults either come from some other left-field beliefs system and build on it on the fly or pick and choose verses from the real Bible to turn them into whatever they rather believe. They don't tend to rewrite the Bible simply because that's a lot of work, and then there is the cost of publishing. Cult leaders are out to get something, not spend their money.

You were stuck in that cult for several years, so I would first recommend reading the Bible. Just that -- read it. Don't worry about trying to get everything it says when reading it, (because none of us will ever get everything it says until our time with God in heaven), but just read it to get an overview of what it says. Read it like a book, instead of an instruction manual. That way, you can at least see what God really said versus all the junk you were filled with. (And we were all filled with junk. And most of us still carry some of that junk, not yet aware it is junk, so don't take that too personally. It's just what happens.)

And, while reading it, keep remembering that it is a book about God. It's all God-centered, not people centered. The reason people are in that book is because God is fond of his people, (and wrathful on those who are not.)

You've got a lot of thoughts about God and about people that have been implanted in you for the ungodly reason that cult leader really wanted from you and his/her other followers. Just read the Bible to see what it really says. Much easier, (and probably faster), then trying to get us to explain it all to you.

That, and you won't have to deal with those who will call you someone else.

 

[Depleted]

People are making their own laws they are rewriting the Bible which God's law and it's detrimental to the functionality of the world.

A quantifiable example is Native American reservations,they have some of the highest rates of suicide...this is fact....you can check more than one source for yourself.

Those suicides are because those Natives that stay on reservations because they are given free food and housing never earn those things through hard work so they aren't even aware of necessary principles like self respect...self respect is earned by learning self worth which happens when you get the satisfaction of earning for yourself and achieving the goals that you set like working 40 hrs a week and contributing to the economy with taxes that are taken from your pay check.

Im on a reservation now so I'm seeing this first hand I have family members supporting others with free subsidies because they are making their own laws,able bodied adults are not supposed to be supported all of their lives because it's detrimental to their personal growth,these family members of mine are actually hurting those people by assisting in the stunting of their personal growth,they mean well but they are doing exactly the opposite.

Trump is deporting mothers with children to care for so that those children grow up without their mother,it's only a matter of time until he stops free subsidies to reservations because of people abusing these subsidies by writing their own laws.

What do you think will happen to generations of natives that have wrongly depended on free subsidies when that happens?they will starve to death.

This is happening because they make their own laws,this is one very good example of why God tells us to NOT make our own laws.

Yeah, I see this stuff on my FB feed too. That's more of a political debate (with a pot of pop-psychology thrown in), than dealing with who God is. Find out who God is first. Than you're ready to spread out who God is into other fields, like politics, psychology (and knowing who God is will really slow you down on trusting modern psychology altogether), and philosophy.

 

[wsblind]

Why do you call me jimbo? because I really am not,have you read my posts and his posts and compared them?you should do that.

For the other poster I don't know exactly where this stuff is im using computer searching and the passages that come up,Im aware that people can put anything that they want ob the internet so I don't trust blindly this is one of the reasons that I'm asking here,more than one site has this stuff theres some minor differences because of different Bible versions and they state that.

Maybe you don't have a real Bible but a bible,I'm not trying to be insulting or argumentative please bear with me.

Had I not just come from a community that writes their own Bible I would have thought that you are being sarcastic.

Their Bible's have crucial points taken out or changed maybe yours does also what does yours say about incest?theirs tells them that it's the parents job to teach their children sex so that they are good for their spouse's when they marry ,their bible also tells them that anyone not white is a soulless animal,also their bible removed the part about not practicing sorcery is that like yours?

I don't think that multiple site are wrong do a search yourself on these things that I mentioned and you'll find the same.

Im not making this up there are rewritten bibles out there I guess.

My Apologies. I was out of turn, and went to far.

 

[Magenta]

The lady that owned the place where I worked offered her young daughter who wasn't even 12 to me and said that her church told her that this is what they do God told them to.

I hope you have reported those people to the police for child sexual exploitation and abuse.

 

[oldethennew]

we can only go so far when we realize, through Jesus' Love, that we have taken the 'wrong-path', -
and if we Love Him with all of our hearts and obey Him and His Commandments, then, of course, -
He will ever so lovingly, promisingly, lead us back into HIS place of total Safety, and Assurance!...