Does God Create People Today?

[blue_ladybug]

That's my question, folks. I saw a post by Magenta on a different thread, saying that God only created Adam and Eve. That certainly is true, BUT I believe that He knows and forms each child that is born today.. After all, the bible DOES say exactly that: "I knew you before I formed you in the womb." So what are your opinions on this, and please give scripture to back up your views. If God did not, and does not, form each one of us, then how come He calls us His children? And if He does NOT form us in the womb, why does the bible state otherwise?

 

[trofimus]

God created universe and then life in the way it evolves and multiplies.

So we are all His children even though we are not created from nothing or without a natural process, these days.

 

[dcontroversal]

David speaks about being wonderfully made and all his parts being put together in the womb.......

 

[OneFaith]

That's my question, folks. I saw a post by Magenta on a different thread, saying that God only created Adam and Eve. That certainly is true, BUT I believe that He knows and forms each child that is born today.. After all, the bible DOES say exactly that: "I knew you before I formed you in the womb." So what are your opinions on this, and please give scripture to back up your views. If God did not, and does not, form each one of us, then how come He calls us His children? And if He does NOT form us in the womb, why does the bible state otherwise?

If I set up dominos, and push the first one, the others should not think that they weren't purposed because I didn't personally push them. God set up fruit trees to bear seeds that can continuously grow more fruit trees. And He set seeds in us so that we can multiply. God still knows and sees us being formed in the womb, and it is by His power that we are formed. The timing does not matter, and is only physicality anyways. We are not our bodies, we are in our bodies, and someday we will come out. So the formation of the body does not matter- God created us- our individual souls, and that is not multiplied by seed.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Could you please post that scripture, dcon? Thanks..

David speaks about being wonderfully made and all his parts being put together in the womb.......

 

[dcontroversal]

Could you please post that scripture, dcon? Thanks..

SURE BLUE.....Psalm 193:13-14

For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.

 

[newlightseven]

That's my question, folks. I saw a post by Magenta on a different thread, saying that God only created Adam and Eve. That certainly is true, BUT I believe that He knows and forms each child that is born today.. After all, the bible DOES say exactly that: "I knew you before I formed you in the womb." So what are your opinions on this, and please give scripture to back up your views. If God did not, and does not, form each one of us, then how come He calls us His children? And if He does NOT form us in the womb, why does the bible state otherwise?

few verses

[h=3]Psalm 139:13-16 ESV / 132 helpful votes[/h][h=3][/h] For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

[h=3]Jeremiah 1:5 ESV / 93 helpful votes[/h]
[h=3][/h] “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

[h=3]Psalm 127:3-5 ESV / 71 helpful votes[/h]
[h=3][/h] Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one's youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.

[h=3]Jeremiah 1:4-5 ESV / 50 helpful votes[/h]
[h=3][/h] Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

[h=3]Psalm 127:3 ESV / 47 helpful votes[/h]
[h=3][/h] Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.

 

[Yahshua]

That's my question, folks. I saw a post by Magenta on a different thread, saying that God only created Adam and Eve. That certainly is true, BUT I believe that He knows and forms each child that is born today.. After all, the bible DOES say exactly that: "I knew you before I formed you in the womb." So what are your opinions on this, and please give scripture to back up your views. If God did not, and does not, form each one of us, then how come He calls us His children? And if He does NOT form us in the womb, why does the bible state otherwise?

Whether directly or indirectly, God is responsible for creating all life since all life originated from him...but he only begets his children. So not everyone is his child. And not everyone he knows..

John 1:12-13
"12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the {children} of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

So not all are God's children unfortunately...


John 3:5-7
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

God's children must be born of God (i.e. of the Spirit). Only they can enter into the kingdom. But we know there are those who will not enter in, so not all beings on earth are spirit beings. Not all here are born of God; his children.


Matthew 13:24
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

God's seed are his children...but the enemy has also sown his seed, who are his children. But it can be hard to tell which is which until everyone grows up (all can look VERY similar to each other in "good" ways and "bad" ways until mature), so everyone is kept together until the end so that none of God's children are lost..


John 8:44-45
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Some here in the world are children of the enemy. This has always been the case since the beginning. If they're children of the enemy they aren't children of God, but enemies of God's children.


Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman; between thy seed and her seed..."

There's a lasting struggle between his children and the Devils children.


Now when it comes to the passages like you reference, notice how personal God (or the writer) is being...

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Notice in this specific passage God is speaking to one person, which shows it's possible that God can know someone before they're born, but it doesn't mean he knows everyone before they're born because not everyone born is sanctified as a prophet to the nations. Unfortunately these passages don't say God knows everyone...So it's not necessarily the forming, but the knowing (i.e. personal relationship) that passages like the one above are bringing focus to in my opinion.

Hope that helps.

 

[valiant]

The body comes by natural birth processes. The question is whether the spirit of each man is individually created by God, or whether He has another way of incorporating the non material spirit,

 

[JesusRules1]

God only created Adam and Eve outright,and birth happens naturally without the intercession of God at that point,like an animal,or plant life,does it,without the intercession of God,although in a human,God imparts the spirit to them in each individual,and all spirits go back to God who gave them.

But it is still all the creation of God,for all things came about,and come about,because of Him,and the Bible does say in some areas that I formed thee from the womb,but it would happen naturally,and implies that God worked with that child from the womb,and would use the person for His will.

Adam and Eve were the only people created,and it happens naturally people being conceived,but it is still all God's creation,for everything that came about,and the things that will come about,only happen because God created all things.

 

[Depleted]

That's my question, folks. I saw a post by Magenta on a different thread, saying that God only created Adam and Eve. That certainly is true, BUT I believe that He knows and forms each child that is born today.. After all, the bible DOES say exactly that: "I knew you before I formed you in the womb." So what are your opinions on this, and please give scripture to back up your views. If God did not, and does not, form each one of us, then how come He calls us His children? And if He does NOT form us in the womb, why does the bible state otherwise?

Sorry, no scripture to back this up. Just how my brain works.

I can form clay into anything from a square to a duck. Does that mean I created it? In a way, yes. I used something and turned it into something else. BUT, I did not create the clay, nor did I create the materials needed to make clay.

God created Adam and Eve. Adam from dust. Eve from Adam's rib. He also created the dust and the planet the dust is on and everything else in this universe. He created from nothing to make something.

And then he created a reproduction cycle so what he created could be formed and reformed without him having to start with nothing again.

So, God created the clay to start with. And then created the way for the clay ducky to reproduce more clay duckies.

Some words have more than one meaning, even if their meanings are usually similar.

 

[Yahshua]

The body comes by natural birth processes. The question is whether the spirit of each man is individually created by God, or whether He has another way of incorporating the non material spirit,

I think we get our answer in what Paul wrote to the Corinthians...


1 Corinthians 15:45-47
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven


So per scripture, humans aren't particularly spirit beings until they accept Christ and are born anew. Anyone from the first man is a body from the (animated) dust of the earth, and they don't become "spirit" until from Christ.

The original meaning of "spirit" is "breath", so I have to figure if God himself breathes into anything, that one breath is UNBELIEVABLY potent and will most assuredly be enough to animate generations upon generations upon generations of bodies (as they multiply themselves) before God's breath starts to lose its potency. And if we place the original meaning of "spirit" back into the following text this makes sense the most:

Genesis 6:3
My [breath] will not always continue with man for he is flesh, yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

 

[Magenta]

For those of you who do not know, the original conversation took place with an atheist who was complaining about God's omniscience informing Him of the consequence of sin that was not repented. In other words, I was explaining the difference between being born of the flesh, and the need to be born again of the Spirit of God in order to attain to life ever after.

Blue, after all your bitter complaints of people creating threads and calling people out, I truly have to wonder what you are really up to here, for if you simply wanted to know what I meant you could have asked me, instead of trying to get answers from people who do not even know the context of the original conversation, which you also failed to provide. Or you could have asked and left my name out of the conversation. At any rate the end result is the same, and I am left questioning your motives, and not for the first time.

Since Blue has failed to provide the context for my statement, and phrased my giving of it improperly, it may give the wrong impression. The context being a conversation with an atheist who was not understanding why everyone does not have their name written in the book of life.

The problem I found with God's omnipitence was that he would necessarily have the foreknowledge of every damned soul he created and yet, he created them anyway and allowed them to sin and be cast into the lake of fire etc. It makes no sense - that was one of my initial objections when I was first quizzing myself about it, I since have so many objections to the whole edifice of Christianity covering a whole gamut of subjects that I don't feel it necessary to even wonder if I might be wrong anymore. Correct, I don't believe He created the world or that he incarnated himself as his own son and somehow needed to be nailed up because of things I've done or might do. I don't sit there and hope God does anything, I'm convinced the whole thing is a charade. I will read your testimonies though and thank you for your comment.

As to God creating souls? Adam and Eve were created. All else were born through natural means. You are born into the natural world, as a natural man at enmity with God, and you are at enmity with God. Surprise surprise! You are in need of being born again of the Spirit of God, for the flesh counts for NOTHING. Your flesh will return to dust.

In the meantime, meaning, between now and the time that your flesh returns to the ground (or the elements of the earth, however that is accomplished, makes no difference, it will happen) in the meantime, if you are not born again of the Holy Spirit of God, your name is blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, and following the resurrection and judgement of all, you will pass into the second death, for only those who have faith in the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus upon the cross, where He poured out His righteous blood unto death due to His great love for us to save us from the consequence of sin, which is death, only those "covered by His blood" pass from death into life ever after.

Magenta
Ok perhaps the word souls is incorrect where I used it. My point was that I had a problem with the omnipotence of God in that it would mean he created people he knew would go to hell. Why isn't everyone's name in the book of life, if there is a name missing then he has failed and his creation is a monstrosity. That was my reasoning. As for the being born again thing, I disagree.

Thank you for your response, and yes, well, it is obvious you disagree, but it is not with me but with Jesus Soul is a good word, but as I said, you were born of a natural birth and not created by God.

"Not created by God" as Adam and Eve were, but born by natural means, in the flesh, after the fashion of the fallen Adam, in need of Spiritual rebirth.

 

[psalm6819]

Sure when we are born again because of Jesus we become sons of God not just sons of Adam.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Magenta, I wasn't calling anyone out. The quote below is the one I was referring to. And I wanted answers from others, not only you. Calm down and take a breath.

Originally Posted by Magenta

As to God creating souls? Adam and Eve were created. All else were born through natural means. You are born into the natural world, as a natural man at enmity with God, and you are at enmity with God. Surprise surprise! You are in need of being born again of the Spirit of God, for the flesh counts for NOTHING. Your flesh will return to dust.

For those of you who do not know, the original conversation took place with an atheist who was complaining about God's omniscience informing Him of the consequence of sin that was not repented. In other words, I was explaining the difference between being born of the flesh, and the need to be born again of the Spirit of God in order to attain to life ever after.

Blue, after all your bitter complaints of people creating threads and calling people out, I truly have to wonder what you are really up to here, for if you simply wanted to know what I meant you could have asked me, instead of trying to get answers from people who do not even know the context of the original conversation, which you also failed to provide. Or you could have asked and left my name out of the conversation. At any rate the end result is the same, and I am left questioning your motives, and not for the first time.

Since Blue has failed to provide the context for my statement, and phrased my giving of it improperly, it may give the wrong impression. The context being a conversation with an atheist who was not understanding why everyone does not have their name written in the book of life.


"Not created by God" as Adam and Eve were, but born by natural means, in the flesh, after the fashion of the fallen Adam, in need of Spiritual rebirth.

 

[blue_ladybug]

This isn't what I'm asking. I want to know if He knows us before we are formed in the womb. Surely He must know who of us will accept Him and be called His children..

Sure when we are born again because of Jesus we become sons of God not just sons of Adam.

 

[blue_ladybug]

My motives? I made this thread because I wanted scriptural answers from several people, not just YOUR pov. Pure, simple, and innocent, that was my motive. And what was the end result? I'm getting the answers I had hoped to get,from several different people.

For those of you who do not know, the original conversation took place with an atheist who was complaining about God's omniscience informing Him of the consequence of sin that was not repented. In other words, I was explaining the difference between being born of the flesh, and the need to be born again of the Spirit of God in order to attain to life ever after.

Blue, after all your bitter complaints of people creating threads and calling people out, I truly have to wonder what you are really up to here, for if you simply wanted to know what I meant you could have asked me, instead of trying to get answers from people who do not even know the context of the original conversation, which you also failed to provide. Or you could have asked and left my name out of the conversation. At any rate the end result is the same, and I am left questioning your motives, and not for the first time.

Since Blue has failed to provide the context for my statement, and phrased my giving of it improperly, it may give the wrong impression. The context being a conversation with an atheist who was not understanding why everyone does not have their name written in the book of life.


"Not created by God" as Adam and Eve were, but born by natural means, in the flesh, after the fashion of the fallen Adam, in need of Spiritual rebirth.

 

[blue_ladybug]

And also, since your post was on an ATHEIST'S thread, I wanted to make a different thread, simply because I don't know how to deal with atheists who are deadset on not believing in God.. I don't have the patience for that. So I don't have the nefarious motive that you seem to think I do.

For those of you who do not know, the original conversation took place with an atheist who was complaining about God's omniscience informing Him of the consequence of sin that was not repented. In other words, I was explaining the difference between being born of the flesh, and the need to be born again of the Spirit of God in order to attain to life ever after.

Blue, after all your bitter complaints of people creating threads and calling people out, I truly have to wonder what you are really up to here, for if you simply wanted to know what I meant you could have asked me, instead of trying to get answers from people who do not even know the context of the original conversation, which you also failed to provide. Or you could have asked and left my name out of the conversation. At any rate the end result is the same, and I am left questioning your motives, and not for the first time.

Since Blue has failed to provide the context for my statement, and phrased my giving of it improperly, it may give the wrong impression. The context being a conversation with an atheist who was not understanding why everyone does not have their name written in the book of life.


"Not created by God" as Adam and Eve were, but born by natural means, in the flesh, after the fashion of the fallen Adam, in need of Spiritual rebirth.

 

[zone]

Acts 17:27
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

 

[wsblind]

Omniscient~~All knowing.All seeing.

God knows everything. He will never learn anything nor unlearn anything. He knows everything.


Mind blowing.