Sermon on the mount - life or legalistic junk

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Jesus said this about the sermon on the mount

Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Matt 7:24-25

Now here is a quote from a contributor.
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The sermon on the mount was to show the Jews how futile the law was, how only through what Jesus was about to do through His grace and Mercy on the cross to usher in the New Covenant.

Not as basic instruction for how to be a Christian
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So this is actually saying ignore what Jesus is saying, He is saying it all
just to make you feel bad so you will believe in the cross to do everything
for you and your behaviour is irrelevant.

So Jesus is lying about all the issues, and does not expect our righteousness
to be true love coming from the heart, or our prayers to be in secret, or
our love for women to not be adulterous, or our anger not to be constained,
or our giving not to be in secret, or our loving of our enemies not be be like
Gods loving.

This is both rebellion against Jesus's obvious intention repeated by the apostles
and replacing the Law of Christ with lawlessness.

Anyone who teaches like this is disowning Christ and His eternal words and
therefore Jesus will disown before the Father.

But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:33

As Jesus says in the seed and the sower, if His word does not abide in you and
produce crop of more words, then you are not part of Him.
 
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Whenever we take a part of a scripture out of it's context - we can make it say whatever we want. Jesus was talking about false prophets in Matt. 7:15.

Notice that Jesus said "therefore" in verse 24 - Jesus is talking about the previous verses. Jesus is talking about those self-righteous belief people that are unrighteous. They don't have the righteousness of Jesus - they have attempted to make their own by what "they did or didn't do".

Jesus does not "know" these self-workers that are depending on their own works. Jesus on the other hand said "I know My sheep".

Matthew 7:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.



Practicing lawlessness/u/unrighteousness are those that think they can create and maintain their own righteousness by what they do or don't do. It's an anti-Christ belief system.


 
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Whenever we take a part of a scripture out of it's context - we can make it say whatever we want. Jesus was talking about false prophets in Matt. 7:15.
When you say it, it's that much more believable after seeing you do it so much.:rolleyes:
 
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Practicing lawlessness/u/unrighteousness are those that think they can create and maintain their own righteousness by what they do or don't do. It's an anti-Christ belief system.

A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
Matt 12:35

You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Matt 12:34

Notice reader a whole group in the church of believers wish to ignore the sermon
on the mount and say those who follow Jesus's words are legalists and hypocrites.

Make no mistake about it, if they could fulfill the words of the sermon on the mount
they would. The only reason they preach against Jesus and His word is because of
the sin that is unresolved and dwells in them.

Now the reason this shocks me, because I sincerely believed people could not get this
close to God and Jesus not walk in His ways, because they are so true.

Yet it appears the 2nd and 3rd generation believers, who grow up in the church and strive
so hard to walk as Christ walked but fail to get their hearts sorted, find an excuse to
rubbish Christs words as mockery, and faith in Jesus without reality is the truth.

The flip side of this defeat is that we are now the enemy and liars, the anti-Christ
followers. And they will get more vocal and divisive because it is in their nature
and conviction, because Jesus is not transforming them, rather sin is growing stronger
and leading them more bound into the grips of the enemy.

And by cutting themselves off, no longer repenting of sin and confessing and searching
for resolution and change, they make themselves lost souls drifting away yet still singing
the same songs and ideas of believers, but they have actually lost the faith.
 
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It buries me.
 

John146

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Jesus said this about the sermon on the mount

Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Matt 7:24-25

Now here is a quote from a contributor.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The sermon on the mount was to show the Jews how futile the law was, how only through what Jesus was about to do through His grace and Mercy on the cross to usher in the New Covenant.

Not as basic instruction for how to be a Christian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So this is actually saying ignore what Jesus is saying, He is saying it all
just to make you feel bad so you will believe in the cross to do everything
for you and your behaviour is irrelevant.

So Jesus is lying about all the issues, and does not expect our righteousness
to be true love coming from the heart, or our prayers to be in secret, or
our love for women to not be adulterous, or our anger not to be constained,
or our giving not to be in secret, or our loving of our enemies not be be like
Gods loving.

This is both rebellion against Jesus's obvious intention repeated by the apostles
and replacing the Law of Christ with lawlessness.

Anyone who teaches like this is disowning Christ and His eternal words and
therefore Jesus will disown before the Father.

But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:33

As Jesus says in the seed and the sower, if His word does not abide in you and
produce crop of more words, then you are not part of Him.
The Jews were promised a physical kingdom, the kingdom of heaven in Scripture. The Jews are God's physical people. The sermon on the mount can be viewed as the constitution for living in this earthly kingdom where Christ will reign a thousand years. The spiritual kingdom will be manifest at that time as well, the kingdom of God. Both aspects of the kingdom will be revealed as the spiritual people of God, the church will reign on the earth with Christ over the nations. The kingdom of heaven was at hand but was postponed due to the Jew's rejection of the King.
 

preacher4truth

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Jesus said this about the sermon on the mount

Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Matt 7:24-25

Now here is a quote from a contributor.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The sermon on the mount was to show the Jews how futile the law was, how only through what Jesus was about to do through His grace and Mercy on the cross to usher in the New Covenant.

Not as basic instruction for how to be a Christian
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The SOTM isn't about how to be a Christian, but, what a true Christian looks like. I wouldn't expect those poisoned by easy-believe-ism and FGT to get it. Dispensationalism has taught, wrongly, many to throw out the teachings they don't like in the Gospel accounts and give it to the Jews while at the same time they claim the passages they do like in the Gospel accounts for themselves. What an evil, deceptive and inconsistent hermeneutic that is. :)
 

John146

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The SOTM isn't about how to be a Christian, but, what a true Christian looks like. I wouldn't expect those poisoned by easy-believe-ism and FGT to get it. Dispensationalism has taught, wrongly, many to throw out the teachings they don't like in the Gospel accounts and give it to the Jews while at the same time they claim the passages they do like in the Gospel accounts for themselves. What an evil, deceptive and inconsistent hermeneutic that is. :)
And in order for one to make it for the Christian today, one has to spiritualize most of the sermon rather than take it literal.
 

preacher4truth

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And in order for one to make it for the Christian today, one has to spiritualize most of the sermon rather than take it literal.
Not quite, you show a profound misunderstanding of the Gospel in few words.

Have you plucked out your eye, cut off your right hand yet with your literalism?

The plain fact is some professing believers simply don't like the "hard truths" of the Gospel and dismiss it, and say its for the Jews. As Paul said, there is "no difference" between the Jew and Gentile. The things Christ preached in the Gospel accounts concerning the Gospel and the Kingdom are to, and for all believers. You can toss them out if you want and preach a truncated message because there is not much in them that is for you at all. :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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And in order for one to make it for the Christian today, one has to spiritualize most of the sermon rather than take it literal.
It's funny how those who insist on that are good to go until they get to these parts, then they work real hard to explain why it isn't literal....

“You have heard that our ancestors were told, ‘You must not murder. If you commit murder, you are subject to judgment.’ But I say, if you are even less angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell."

“You have heard the commandment that says, ‘You must not commit adultery.’ But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
 
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On the sermon of the mount Jesus lays out the spiritual laws and truths that governs the entire world.

We are called to run the race of life according to the rules.

It's about how to live a godly lives, sanctification
Not justification which is by grace alone.

Why do people mix the two?

Maybe because salvation can be used to refer to both?
 
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On the sermon of the mount Jesus lays out the spiritual laws and truths that governs the entire world.

We are called to run the race of life according to the rules.

It's about how to live a godly lives, sanctification
Not justification which is by grace alone.

Why do people mix the two?

Maybe because salvation can be used to refer to both?
In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus buries anyone who would think they have what it takes to make themselves acceptable to a perfect God.
 
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It's funny how those who insist on that are good to go until they get to these parts, then they work real hard to explain why it isn't literal....

“You have heard that our ancestors were told, ‘You must not murder. If you commit murder, you are subject to judgment.’ But I say, if you are even less angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell."

“You have heard the commandment that says, ‘You must not commit adultery.’ But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

It is obvious that the Lord elevated the Law of Moses to the new 2.0 version of which He shows the true nature of it. He did this to bury others to show that they needed a Savior and to expose their self-righteousness and that they needed His righteousness.

The Sermon on the mount also shows what His life looks like when it is being expressed. It is a "description" of His life and fruit that gets borne in us the branches.

We don't "produce" these fruit from our human will-power in our flesh and thus become righteous by following the sermon on the mount. This truth is a major stumbling block to the humanistic self-righteousness/holiness religion of self works.

Jesus exposes this self-righteousness for what it really is - an anti-Christ belief system that is destructive to us.
 

Roughsoul1991

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A man who doesnt want to listen to Jesus obviously doesn't love Jesus.

John 14:15 If you love me, you will keep my commands.

We step onto a battleground within the mind everytime we open our eyes into the conscious realm of reality. The battle ground between good and evil, between temptation and rightiousness, between pride and humility, between selfish works and good works.

Satan wants every believer to believe his eternal home is secured and nothing that person can do to himself to lose that security.

This battlefield only becomes evident once we believe and then we must endure in the faith to win the crown.

I see this in my life and i know so does many others. This battlefield is very real and just when you think nothing can shake your faith, something comes in and shakes it to the core.

Life is unfair and hard at times. I mean how do you tell people of Gods goodness when they begin to look away from Gods goodness and instead see all of the homeless children, sex trafficking, children cancer, etc.

My brother began to ask me these same questions. And of course I answer to the best I can but ultimately it just comes down to Gods wants us all to be with him and God has a plan. Blessed are the ones who see Jesus without the struggle in this mortal flesh constantly being shot at by the evil ones arrows.

The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Abide in the flesh=weakness. Abide in the Spirit=Strength

Walk in the Spirit and you will find the strength and the wisdom to face trials and tribulations.

Choose to walk in the flesh and you will find fear and pride leading the pack of very nasty ungodly attributes.

Remain in the vine
 
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In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus buries anyone who would think they have what it takes to make themselves acceptable to a perfect God.
No he showed us how the world is suppose to be Like and how it will be like,after He comes back.

The purpose of the sermon on the mount is not to inspire guilt but to prompt hope and faith in a just and loving God.

God doesn't give us laws to make us feel guilty when we break them. Anymore than we have traffic laws in order for police to give tickets when someone breaks them.

God gave us laws to protect and encourage that we stay safe and free of spiritual wickedness and selfish behaviors that hurt us and others.
 
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Bless the Most High God forever! The Sermon on the Mount is very good. Good are these words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 5:11-12

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
 
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No he showed us how the world is suppose to be Like and how it will be like,after He comes back.

The purpose of the sermon on the mount is not to inspire guilt but to prompt hope and faith in a just and loving God.

God doesn't give us laws to make us feel guilty when we break them. Anymore than we have traffic laws in order for police to give tickets when someone breaks them.

God gave us laws to protect and encourage that we stay safe and free of spiritual wickedness and selfish behaviors that hurt us and others.

Its purpose is to lead you to Christ as your only hope.
 
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Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead to give us His life - not to bring rules to live by. We live by His life in us now and He bears His fruit on us the branches. Get this backwards and we create a religion called Christianity.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

 
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Its purpose is to lead you to Christ as your only hope.
This is true, by showing us without His love and life in our hearts we cannot
fulfill Gods aspirations. But with Gods power at work in us, we do fulfill them.

It appears to me it is this second part you are missing.