Should we wait for the devil, or is it time to begin building Ezekiel's Temple?

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Angela53510

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I apologize, but it seems to me that you have already ejected from your Bible the book of the prophet Ezekiel, and with it also the Revelation of John.

I have not rejected any book of the Bible. BUT, there are 64 other books, that you seem to have forgotten to read. Ezekiel is probably one of the most difficult books in the OT to interpret, and the same for Revelation in the NT. I have read them many times - at least 50, because that is how many times I have read the Bible! I read those books each time I read the Bible. I have also studied both books in Seminary and read about 15 books on Revelation, including Greek Exegetical Commentaries. I have also read a few commentaries on Ezekiel, written by Biblical scholars, who understand Hebrew as well as English. I took a course by Dr Daniel Block, who wrote two volumes on Ezekiel for "the New International Commentary on the Old Testament." Very thick commentaries!

The problem is not me - but you! You have become obsessed with a fantasy, and you have not properly exegetes this entire proposal you have presented in this forum.

So how many times have you read the rest of the Bible, besides Revelation and Ezekiel? Because, hermeneutically, you need to formulate doctrine from the whole Bible, not just two books. For real theology, you need to understand the original languages. So that means reading and writing Hebrew and Greek.

But, the real point of your exclusiveness, and leaving out the rest of the Bible, is that you have lost the real gospel message. You say Hebrews was written to the Jews, and it was. But it is still beneficial for us to read, and to learn more about God. Every word of the Bible is true, and profitable to study, and to grow and learn.

But the hypocrisy is saying Hebrews was written to the Jews, but yet, who was Ezekiel written to? It certainly was not written to believers in the 21st century! It was written to the Jews of that era.

Once again, I am going to plead with you to read the New Testament. Mark was written to the Romans, Luke was written to Greeks and John was written to the larger church Gentiles and Jews. So leave out Matthew, since it was written to the Jews. But you will find Jesus Christ written in every page of the gospels. And the rest of the NT! In fact, the entire Bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ!

If you have missed Jesus, you have missed everything! Only Jesus saves! Not any work of building a temple, or keeping the Torah laws or any other combination of works that do not come from God.

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast." Eph. 2:8-9

Notice, that you need faith and God will give you that faith to believe that Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, appeared to 500 people and then ascended into heaven. He will return one day for a church without spot or wrinkle. The word "church" in Greek is ekklesia ἐκκλεσία. It comes from the Greek words Kaleo - καλέω, which means "I call," and ek ἐκ which means "out of." Put those two Greek words together and it means "called out ones." It is the people who believe in Jesus as Saviour, Lord and Messiah. It is not a building, church or temple.


Do you believe that Jesus came to die for your sins? Do you repent of your sins and turn to Jesus Christ? This is the most basic I can put the gospel.

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When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” Acts 2:27-39

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But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[a] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." Romans 10"8-10


When I read your writing, your strange side stepping of the true meaning of the Bible, I see someone who is totally off track, and even perhaps a bit mentally deranged. I don't say this to insult you, but the thread of what you have written is not normal, it is not based on scholarship or a knowledge of the bible, and even more important is the fact that you have left Jesus out of the equation, except as some deity who comes back when YOU have built your imaginary temple in the wilderness. How sad to be so close, and yet so far from God!
 
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trucker62

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Has anyone considered this?

Regardless if the temple is built or not, it will be an abomination. Never are New Covenant believers ever to go back to temple worship, animal sacrifices, works of the law and following the rituals laid out under the Mosaic Law.

The whole reason the temple was destroyed in 70AD and the veil being torn at the resurrection in the temple, was to anounce to the World that a new way had been established for men to come to God through the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's why Hebrews 4: 16 14-16 tells all men they can come boldly before the throne of Grace. To tell that to a Jewish man was astounding because the only one who could come to the throne of Grace was the High Priest and that just once a year after ceremonial washings and sacrifice. It is also why they tied a rope around him or put bells on his robes. If anytime during the yearly sacrifices in the inner sanctuary he had messed up, they would know if the bells stopped ringing, he had died in the presence of God. It was why Ussiah died when David moved the Ark of the Covenant not in accordance with the Law. Everything had to be perfect or man would die in Gods presence.

Now anyone can come to the throne of Grace freely to receive Grace and Mercy in our hour of need. It was hard for the first century converted jews to accept anyone could come into the inner sanctuary so to speak.

In the gospels When Jesus spoke to the fig tree stating no one would eat of this tree again, he was signifying the end of the Mosaic Law and temple worship was over. Putting New wine in old wineskins will not work. This represents Law and Grace.

If the temple is built, and they set up priests in the flesh instead of worshiping Jesus and looking to him, it will be an abomination. Hebrews 7: 12 specifically states when there is a change of priesthood, there is a change of covenant. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah and not under the Aaronic priest hood. If a physical temple is built, It will not be of God.

We now are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Every one who has received Christ is a container of the Holy spirit of God and a King and priest in this earth.

God is not limited to a physical man made structure with the Ark of the Covenant where there was only one central location people could go to access God through the King, the Priest of the Prophet In fact Hebrews chapter one verses 1-2 states that in times PAST God spoke to men through and by the prophets, but now He speaks to all of us through the Son who is Jesus Christ.

The entire book of Hebrews is an admonishment to the Jews that trying to come to God under the Mosaic Law was now obsolete. Jesus had fulfilled the Mosaic Law by his death, burial and resurrection.

The book of Hebrews specifically deals with this saying over and over; A new and better covenant has been established on the earth by God through Christ. There is neither greek nor jew, slave nor free, male of or female, we are now all one in Christ.

The whole temple worship system has been done away with. Hebrews chapters 6 and 10 deal with this. The willful sin they talk about specifically address's Jewish men and women who had converted to Christianity, tasted the power of the Holy Spirit, had Christ revealed to them and were undergoing persecution. Because of that persecution went back to Law and animal sacrifices. The writer states if you do that, you are trampling the blood of Jesus underfoot and that there was nothing left you could trust in to be made right before God.

I know the Temple will be rebuilt, but as tough as this sounds, it will not be by God's direction. It will be a sign post pointing to the end times.

God is dealing with three people groups in the World, Israel, the Church and the Lost. He is saying this to all groups, I am the way, the truth and the life!

Just some things to ponder
 

prove-all

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Has anyone considered this?
Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.

(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
 

Bladerunner

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Interesting research. At this point I cannot imagine the government of Israel allowing the building of that Temple. Also the Muslims would probably go for all out war over the building of such a Temple. Your study does make one think.
Samuel the rebuilding of the temple will not be until the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. Likelyhood if the Rapture happened today, there is a gap of some undetermined time before the start of the tribulations. It has been determined that Israel would be able to rebuild it within a two year period. They (Israel) already have the treasures that go into it, They have found Levite ancestry to fill its ranks of priests to administer to the temple, etc.

When the Psalm 83 war ends, it is most likely that Israel's territory will look like the lland that GOD gave to them(borders). Jordan will also be annexed another prophecy. Because of the defeat of most every neighbor they have today, all at one time, there will be no longer any fear or walls surrounding Israel. The Bible tells us that Ezek. 38-39 (Gog/Magog) will happen only when Israel is at peace, prosperous and living without walls.

I surmise that somewhere after the Ezek 38,39 prophecy (Gog/Magog War), the Tribulations (Daniel's 70th week) will start.

Of course God's Wrath started when as prophesied in Rev. 6:1-2. The Antichrist, (the rider) of the White Horse. The Tribulations will start when the 6th and 7th seals are opened. How long before these happen is anybody's guess.

Why the GAP,,,,the Antichrist, must come to power enough to become the supreme leader in the last half of the tribulations.

p.s. In the mean time, The Harlot(Probably the RCC) will Ride the beast (anti-christ) to great heights killing and murdering along side of him. The Martyred Saints will come from this time period and will have been mostly administered to by the 144,000.

OK, have said enough....got going and could not stop.
 
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trucker62

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PROVE ALL have you considered this?

you must take Hebrews 8:2-4 into context with Hebrews chapters 7-10. The writer of Hebrews stated that the old way of the High Priest continually offering sacrifices on a day to day basis was futile. A New Priest came on the scene after the order of Melchizedek, a new priest out of the Tribe of Judah who did away with all the temple sacrifices and offered himself as a one time sacrifice for all men for all time. That was Jesus. He is the surety of a better covenant because the natural high priest had to be reappointed due to their deaths every year. Not only that they had to offer animals sacrifices day and night for the sins of men.

Jesus did away with temple sacrifices and the only sacrifice we can rest in is his through his death, burial and resurrection. Over and over Hebrews talks about a new covenant, that if the Old system was good enough then there would have been no need to stop the animal sacrifices.

Jesus is the new High Priest and he now calls us Kings and Priests under the new covenant. You are the living Temple of the New Covenant, not a building built by the hands of men. Hebrews 9:6 through 10: 1-39 clearly out lay that. The willful sin talked about in Hebrews 10: 26-29 is the Jewish Converts going back to Old Covenant animals sacrifices and Law instead of trusting the shed blood of Christ. By going back to Law and sacrifice we trample the blood of Christ underfoot by thinking his blood was unworthy and we insult the spirit of Grace.

Jesus is our new High priest who offered himself one time for all men, for all sins, was crucified, dead and buried, rose on the third day, sprinkled his blood on the Mercy seat and now sits on the throne of David at the right hand of God ministering the New Covenant to the church.

The old Temple way of doing things is finished.
 
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I already quoted above: Matthew 24:31. When I created the topic, I was not going to answer questions like: "Why do we need to fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel's word?"

I showed you the drawings of this Temple, indicated the place where, according to the prophecy, this Messianic Temple should be built.

And I asked a simple question: who are you waiting for, Jesus Christ, or Antichrist? Do we need to hope for the devil, who may be willing to build a Temple for himself - a mousetrap, where he will be slammed. Or we must follow God and fulfill the Scripture without looking at the devil. There are two possible answers: 1) follow God, according to the Scriptures, or 2) hope for the devil, in accordance with the popular theological constructs of some theologians.
The world is going to go through catastrophic events. Then in complete disaster the nations will unite. One will rise up to lead and be accepted by most people. This is the Antichrist. There will be a time of peace that the Jews will use to build the Temple. When it is finished the Antichrist enters and declares himself god. Then he declares war against believers. This is when the mark is enforced to buy and sell. At a large battle when all of the armies of the world gather, Christ comes and they all unite against Him and are utterly destroyed.
 

JGIG

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You see, it does not really matter what the Jews want, it's important for us what God wants. God gave us the Bible. In the Bible there is a book of the prophet Ezekiel, where the Messianic Temple is described. The prophecy of Ezekiel gives a detailed description of the size of the Temple and gives instructions so that we can correctly determine its location. Ezekiel shows this to anyone who turned to God, a Jew and a Gentile, any believer in the name of Jesus Christ.

If this prophetic vision is given by God, then why do Christians so stubbornly oppose its implementation?

Aryeh, the above scenario is your interpretation of what is conveyed in Ezekiel.

We are not opposed to what Ezekiel has to say, but to your interpretation of what he has to say.

-JGIG
 

Ahwatukee

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Greetings to all!

Forgive me, I do not speak English well, Google's translation helps me.

Many people say to me: first an exact copy of the Temple of Herod in Jerusalem must be built, then the devil will come to that temple, then Christ will kill the antichrist, and only then the Messianic Temple will be built in accordance with the prophesy of Ezekiel.

Today we have the book of the prophet Ezekiel. In this book there is an accurate description of the messianic Temple and an exact indication of the place where it should be built. In accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, the Temple must be built in place with coordinates 31 ° 28'58 "N 35 ° 14'37" E, this place is located in the Judean Desert, 30 kilometers south of Jerusalem, between Ein Gedi and Hebron.

How was this place determined? In the prophecy, the dimensions of the holy allotment indicated as in the reeds, and not in the cubits, as erroneously translated in many Bible translations. In depicting the wrong size of the boundaries of the sacred sites, the Messianic believers made the second mistake: they turned the measured segments by 90 degrees, because they interpreted the phrase (Ez. 48:20) "towards the north" as "from the north".

Where Ezekiel describes the process of measurement, the direction of motion measured is shown, and not the side of the light with which the measured value is located!

In the Russian translation of the Bible, these errors were not, so we immediately found the right place.

"Toward the north 25,000 cubits in length, toward the west 10,000 in width" is the length and width of a piece of land in the center of which the Temple is to be built. Any Christian can himself make these measurements in the free program of Google Earth.






There are several photos of this place on the Internet.



Between the mountain, whose height is 543 meters and the mountain, which is in the picture to the right, another photo is made:



Obviously, this is the place of Jehovah Jireh in the land of Moriah, which is mistakenly attributed to the Temple Mount, calling it Mount Moriah. Please note: in the Bible these places are named in different ways: "land of Moriah" (Gen. 22:2) and "Mount Moriah" (2nd Chron.).

Maybe it's worth trying to find Abraham's broken knife there?

If God knew everything in advance, he probably showed the stone under which Abraham had to hide the horns, hooves, skin and entrails of the sacrificial ram, and where Abraham had to destroy his knife, with which he almost killed his son. If, after 4000 years on this site should build a temple, God knew this in advance, and a place for the burial of the remains of the sacrifice and the knife could be only one: at 100 meters to the west of the altar, where the place for the remains of sacrificial animals in the future Temple.



Maybe someone thinks that now we know the place of the future temple, but do not know the structure of the temple itself? We have drawings and there is a 3d model of Ezekiel's Temple.



This is a preliminary assembly of the 3d model.



Yes, yes, of course, this is the marriage feast!

If you are interested in more detailed drawings and files 3d model, then I am ready to provide them to you. I can not guarantee that absolutely everything there correctly reflects the prophecy of Ezekiel, but the main thing there is shown correctly, therefore you can start working on the architectural implementation of this prophecy.

I do not want to go into the theological dispute about the Antichrist, the weeks of Daniel, the great tribulation, the two witnesses, and the like. I just want to ask everyone one question.

Should we wait today for the devil when he deigns to build a copy of the former Jerusalem Temple in Jerusalem, or should we turn to God with all our heart and then the book of the prophet Ezekiel will show us how and where we should build this Messianic Temple?

There can be only two answers: yes or no.

1. We must do today everything that is in our power to build the Temple, which is shown to us in the book of the prophet Ezekiel. We must carefully study this prophecy, find architects, invite archaeologists, raise money for construction, seek permission from the Israeli government for construction in the reserve zone in the Judean Desert.

2. We will wait for the devil. We'll wait until the long-awaited Antichrist finally comes, and then maybe something will happen.
Hello Aryeh,

The temple during the tribulation must first be built to fulfill all that is written. It isn't until after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his thousand year reign that Ezekiel's temple will be built.

Currently, Israel already has the blue prints ready to go for the building of the temple, which will be built on the temple mount. The Sanhedrin has already been reconvened for several years now and they also have all of the temple articles, the priestly garments, the show bread table, the incense holders, the trumpets, etc., all ready prepared. If you would like more information on this, please click on the link below to see "The Temple Institute" website.

The Temple Institute: ~The Holy Temple in Jerusalem: Yesterday Tomorrow Today
 

JGIG

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great post i gave a like, But could you show scripture for this "If you, then this" part?
This is a thing that has boggled my mind for a while, how could there be animal sacrifices when Jesus already paid the price.
So if you can point to me a scripture where this temple is an OFFER to Israel i'd greatly appreciate it, may the Holy Spirit lead us to all truth regarding this
Sure thing, Issachar:

Ezekiel 43:10-11
10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the people of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their sins. Let them
consider the plan, 11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations and laws. Write these down before them so that they may be faithful to its design and follow all its regulations.



The whole rest of the passage that those advocating for Millennial sacrifices becomes moot in light of the condition laid out in Ezekiel 43:10-11. God says,“Let them consider the plan and if you are ashamed of all you have done, then . . . “ and has Ezekiel write down in great detail what God would have had in store for Israel, i.e. the new Temple with modified features and protocols, had Israel done the “If”.

Another issue comes up in the Ezekiel 40-48 passage is that some think that the ‘prince’ referred to in Ezekiel 45 is the Messiah, who will preside over the sacrifices offered in the Millennial Temple. Let’s take a look:


Ezekiel 45:21-22
21 “‘In the first month on the fourteenth day you are to observe the Passover, a feast lasting seven days, during which you shall eat bread made without yeast. 22 On that day the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for
himself and for all the people of the land.'”




Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is without sin, so the prince mentioned in the above passage cannot refer to Messiah. Some surmise that the prince is David upon his promised throne over Israel – yet the Blood of THE Lamb has been shed, once for all, and from that reality I must base any interpretation of both prophecy and future events.


I hope that helps :).

-JGIG
 
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As if summing up the discussion.

I understood: the absolute majority of Christians are waiting for the Antichrist. To build Ezekiel's Temple from scratch in the Judean desert, we need very little effort and money. When we build this Temple in the Judean Desert, you will say: this is not for us. This is a bit like a story with the first coming of Jesus Christ, when most Jews said: This is not our Messiah.

Well! If there is someone here who is interested in building the Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, he will find me easily: Andrew Ben-Menashe was with you.
 
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I took my staff Favor and cut it in pieces, to break my covenant which I had made with all the peoples. So it was broken on that day, and thus the afflicted of the flock who were watching me realized that it was the word of the LORD.
 
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Sure thing, Issachar:

Ezekiel 43:10-11
10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the people of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their sins. Let them
consider the plan, 11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations and laws. Write these down before them so that they may be faithful to its design and follow all its regulations.



The whole rest of the passage that those advocating for Millennial sacrifices becomes moot in light of the condition laid out in Ezekiel 43:10-11. God says,“Let them consider the plan and if you are ashamed of all you have done, then . . . “ and has Ezekiel write down in great detail what God would have had in store for Israel, i.e. the new Temple with modified features and protocols, had Israel done the “If”.

Another issue comes up in the Ezekiel 40-48 passage is that some think that the ‘prince’ referred to in Ezekiel 45 is the Messiah, who will preside over the sacrifices offered in the Millennial Temple. Let’s take a look:

Ezekiel 45:21-22
21 “‘In the first month on the fourteenth day you are to observe the Passover, a feast lasting seven days, during which you shall eat bread made without yeast. 22 On that day the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for
himself and for all the people of the land.'”




Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is without sin, so the prince mentioned in the above passage cannot refer to Messiah. Some surmise that the prince is David upon his promised throne over Israel – yet the Blood of THE Lamb has been shed, once for all, and from that reality I must base any interpretation of both prophecy and future events.


I hope that helps :).

-JGIG
It certainly helped thanks a lot, this cleared it up for me.
 

posthuman

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As if summing up the discussion.

I understood: the absolute majority of Christians are waiting for the Antichrist. To build Ezekiel's Temple from scratch in the Judean desert, we need very little effort and money. When we build this Temple in the Judean Desert, you will say: this is not for us. This is a bit like a story with the first coming of Jesus Christ, when most Jews said: This is not our Messiah.

Well! If there is someone here who is interested in building the Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, he will find me easily: Andrew Ben-Menashe was with you.
we are waiting for Christ, not antichrist.
the goal we look toward is not an earthly temple but the full ; John saw no temple in the city there because the temple of that place is the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb.
 

posthuman

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there is an underlying question in the pretext of this thread that is very interesting, to which Andrew has assumed an answer:

what is the Lord waiting for before He returns?

what is the trigger?

it is assumed in the OP that the thing that He is waiting for is for humans to build the temple Ezekiel saw in his vision.
presumably at any time over the last 2,000 years or so, if people had "realized this" and built this place, the resolution of all things in Him would have taken place in just a few short years.
imagine people had "understood" what you presume, Aryeh, a thousand years ago or more, when the land was under Byzantine control. maybe in the 600's AD if only they had read Ezekiel, Christ would have come back and gathered all the saints. what then? how many people who have lived in the 1,500 years since then would never have heard the gospel, and never believed, because time had ended over a thousand years before? certainly you would not have - you would not exist, nor would i, nor anyone you know. not even your grandparents.

no one knows the day or the hour - is this because no one knows when humans will finally read Ezekiel, pool their resources, and build another place to offer unnecessary and blasphemous sacrifices to the God whose wrath has been fully satisfied by the sacrifice of the Son?

what is the trigger that will set in motion the return of our Lord?
is it something humans can do? do we have a "return in judgement button" that we simply need to build and press?
that is what you are advocating, after all.

more questions:
He has sheep, and He knows them. does He have a definite number?
is the number of those He saves random, and can we make that number smaller by building this place, or larger by holding off building it? do construction engineers have power over the number of Christ's sheep in this way?

is it up to us when He comes back - in that it depends on when we build this place?

could this temple have been built 1,500 years ago, and the end come then?
if we do not build it for another 3,000 years, will God remain patient waiting for it to be built, because the building of this place is what He is waiting for?

or does His return depend on something else?

what does the number of those who He saves depend on?
does He know how many sheep He has?
will He wait untill all His lost sheep have been found?
if we build a temple before all His sheep have been found, will those who have not been found yet, who haven't even been born yet, remain lost?
can we cause Him to have fewer sheep by building this place "too early" ?
 

posthuman

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are we waiting for Christ or is Christ waiting for us?

will He come at the time appointed by the Father, or at the time we effectively "
appoint" for ourselves by building this thing He did not command us to build?

why hasn't Christ returned yet - what is the Father waiting for?
what is the purpose of His patience with mankind?
does this whole thing hinge on we who believe that we are His temple, and He is ours, to build an earthly temple?
can we write His schedule for Him? can we "
change the times and seasons" of the One who alone appoints the times and seasons by hurrying forward with this construction project?

 

valiant

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It seems that you do not consider yourself Israel.
The apostle Paul considered the Gentiles, who had God's law in their hearts, that they are Jews.

If the dimensions of something are given in the Bible, then why? If for you it is described in detail how it is necessary to sanctify the Temple, which has never been before, then why? Do not dissemble: this vision is a prophecy, like the rest of the Bible, all the books of the Old and New Testaments.

Christians read the "Epistle to the Hebrews," why should one read what is written for the Jews? And if a message is written to the Romans, what relation does this have to those living today in Russia or in America? However, we understand: this is written to us, for us. Why do you want to reject the book of the prophet Ezekiel? But you seem to just want to exclude Ezekiel from the books of your personal Bible.

Why do you not like Ezekiel? Does it contradict your theology? Change your theological model, because there is clearly something wrong in it. The Bible is all true. The book of the prophet Ezekiel is given to us as a prophecy and requires fulfillment if it is not yet fulfilled.

But it was fulfilled. God never gave instructions to build the temple. It was already built. He only commanded the building of an altar through which it would be accessed. The temple itself came down from Heaven and was visible only to the one who believed as with the heavenly armies and Elisha,
 
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Everyone can download this calendar in A2 format (4960x7016px).

[video=youtube;M0r0dx4iVFY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0r0dx4iVFY[/video]

You can download the current version of the 3D model of the Third Temple, created in accordance with the dimensions indicated in the prophecy of Ezekiel, from this page.

During this year a long way was passed. The reality of the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy is obvious. Are you waiting for God? In my opinion, God is waiting for you...
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
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As it seems, Mr. Andrew Ben-Menashe, it is the Jews "time", to build this 3rd temple, as it was, for y'all, That which Yeshua Messiah, came for "originally." But, since Messiah was rejected, "certain things", have been ever evasive, for, and to the Jews. And, y'all have been through many trials and tribulations since then. Even so far as a "near extermination", during WWII. In which Ha Shem's wrath had been subdued, and in His Mercy, and Grace, made, and caused to be established, the "Soverign STATE/country" of His, His "chosen People! In the very same location, as was "given" unto King David! (stating from psalms 23) "Preparing a "table" before Me, in the presence of mine enemies!" Just a mere coincidence? God FORBID! (let that sink in)

That being said? To us gentiles? This "Temple", is within us, to a greater, or lessor extent of "construction", in each individual believer.

With the Jews? Not so much! My answer to your question, would go something like this: It is in my dearest, and fondest, thoughts, hopes, and prayers, that y'all have a more successful "construction", of the "Ha Shem state/government", than, we gentiles have striven in the preserving of, since that "time." With, not much an establishing of, save that which is in the hearts, souls, spirits, and minds, of gentiles! As apostasy has brought forth delusion to some, confusion, to many, and the continual "rise" of the "beast from the bottomless pit!"
Yet, the ESTABLISHING of Jehovah Shammah "state/society?".....Uhhh?.....No!

In other words? BUILD that sucker! ;)

 

vic1980

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#79
As if summing up the discussion.

I understood: the absolute majority of Christians are waiting for the Antichrist. To build Ezekiel's Temple from scratch in the Judean desert, we need very little effort and money. When we build this Temple in the Judean Desert, you will say: this is not for us. This is a bit like a story with the first coming of Jesus Christ, when most Jews said: This is not our Messiah.

Well! If there is someone here who is interested in building the Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, he will find me easily: Andrew Ben-Menashe was with you.

Every born again יְהוּדִּי knows clearly , that the prophet Daniel was shown after 70ad there will be no physical reconstruction of a third temple built in Jerusalem , but desolations are determined Daniel 9. The man of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians , is not sitting in a physical temple built in Jerusalem made of stone. But he sits within the body of belivers in Christ Jesus , declaring himself as the head of all the churches "Papal seat in vatican ".

The New Jerusalem written upon in revelation 21 has no temple , Jesus Christ never gave His flock 'Jews & Gentiles" a permit to build a third temple in the land of Israel. The prophet Ezekiel instruction were determine if the people heart would turn back to God .


Revelation 21

22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it

Shalom​
 
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#80
The veil is rent .Did he promise he would come again in the corruptible flesh as the antichrists represented by the veil ? or was the promised demonstration once? . I would think the next time he will come in full glory .No veil needed it the end of time. Not bleating of sheep, no temples as shadows. .

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.1Jo 4:2