The Rapture Satans Big Lie

[garee]

Jesus did not have new revelations

He was confirming the old.

He is the author of all new revelation as he spoke a new revelation came.. The last revelation was the book of Revelation.

The reason He answered questions with questions is because that is how the Jewish rabbis taught their students. If they asked you who the son of Abraham was, you would have to answer them with a question that basically showed you know and understand the answer.

The reason he asked questions is because without parables Christ (the word of God) spoke not, hiding the spiritual meaning from the lost.

Your answer could have been: Do you know the father of Esau and Jacob's name means "he laughs". That would have been an indication that you knew the answer

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Yes and Jacob means = "heel holder" or "supplanter" .

Supplanter meaning "replace one thing with another"

Isaac... means laughter

With the Jews it is always a knowledge thing....

The Jews sought after signs before they would believe... not mixing faith (the unseen) in what they did hear or see with their eyes.

1 Thessalonians Is not speaking of a Rapture. The Subject of these verses starting with verse 13. is WHERE ARE THE DEAD.

Verse 13 informs us they are sleeping (dead asleep) not questioning; where are the dead. The word dead does no appear in that verse. . They will hear the wake-up call as the saints on earth hear their call upward.

One call that's all.

 

[Hungry]

Jesus is coming back and will be in a battle until Armageddon. He is joined on a mountain with His 144000 mid trib. Also it states somewhere two will be working in the field, then one will remain. Two will be threshing wheat (or something), one will be taken and the other left behind. Everybody sees a great event with clouds opening up and some renaissance painting coming to life. I see the rightful owner of this planet returning and kicking some butt, more like "Independence Day" but the humans don't win.

 

[popeye]

I can find no not one verse in my bible that says the Lord will flash by us. Separate from the second Advent. If your one of those who think you have prof of this in his word pleas tell me.

However I can find plenty of verses that tell me I will be kept from.

Both Lot and the Christ child were removed/gathered/raptured.

Was that a work of your satanic analogy?

 

[popeye]

Jesus gathers the virgins in mat 25. Others are shut out. Those gathered DO NOT immediately return,nor is there a hint of even slight persecution,much less the wrath.

Post trib needs a immediate u turn template. There are zero examples of that.
You also need Noah gathered up AFTER the flood.

Reality has NOAH HIGH ABOVE THE FLOOD DURING THE FLOOD. ( you know,kinda like the pretrib rapture model)

 

[popeye]

Jesus placed the church with him,in HEAVEN twice at the last supper.

Post trib by its logic,has the church never touching heaven.

The vivid depiction at the last supper is the groom,drinking the wine,giving the cup to his fiancee,and by her drinking it,she agrees to a future wedding.

This flies over the head of every other end time position.

 

[Adstar]

I don't believe in any kind of Rapture. Jesus' is coming back scripture is very clear about this. But doesn't say a word about his Flying through the air to sweep us away in between the 1st and 2nd advent. Than you all for your comments.

Well i also do not believe in any rapture between the first and second advent... I believe we shall be raptured at the second advent not before it.. My question was seeking clarification about your position..

You seem to believe there will be no rapture at all? I find it hard to understand how anyone could hold this position if they read scriptures which describe it clearly..

 

[popeye]

Rev 14 has a gathering,by Jesus,DURING THE GT.

Again,that eliminates all positions,except pre trib rapture

 

[popeye]

The flying scorpions are commanded to not sting the 144k Jewish Christians.

Only those messianic Jews receive the seal that those demons must obey.

No other Christians receive this seal,or mark in their foreheads.

Wonder why???

Rekon the church is gone?

 

[abcdef]

Jesus placed the church with him,in HEAVEN twice at the last supper.

Post trib by its logic,has the church never touching heaven.

The vivid depiction at the last supper is the groom,drinking the wine,giving the cup to his fiancee,and by her drinking it,she agrees to a future wedding.

This flies over the head of every other end time position.

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I never noticed this before, thanks.

 

[popeye]

Jesus gave 2 escape verses.

Both are in the context of "worthiness"

As is the context of the virgin parable.

 

[abcdef]

The flying scorpions are commanded to not sting the 144k Jewish Christians.

Only those messianic Jews receive the seal that those demons must obey.

No other Christians receive this seal,or mark in their foreheads.

Wonder why???

Rekon the church is gone?

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The 144000 are seen in heaven, but not on earth.

To say that they return to earth from heaven is an assumption.

 

[popeye]

The bible says the AC kills ALL refusing the mark. Not some,not most,ALL.

All die refusing the mark. That would be sold out,on fire believers.

If the bible is true then the church is gone. Half are raptured,half are beheaded.

If the bible is wrong,then my deal is wrong.

 

[popeye]

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The 144000 are seen in heaven, but not on earth.

To say that they return to earth from heaven is an assumption.

They are sealed SPECIFICALLY against the sting that stings men on earth.

They are in fact on earth,but later,of course,in heaven as well

 

[popeye]

Why are not the supposed Christians on earth,during the GT sealed as well?

 

[popeye]

Only pretrib correctly addresses these components

 

[popeye]

Also,the resurrection dynamic.

The dead are raised pre- living saint rapture.

Rev 14 has a gathering DURING THE GT.

That also eliminates ANYTHING but....a pretrib rapture.

 

[NayborBear]

Well i also do not believe in any rapture between the first and second advent... I believe we shall be raptured at the second advent not before it.. My question was seeking clarification about your position..

You seem to believe there will be no rapture at all? I find it hard to understand how anyone could hold this position if they read scriptures which describe it clearly..

Cloud = brain
caught up = abide with
misinterpreted = apparently
rudiments = the bad guys
fire = cannot stand/hold fast to = quivering blob/s of protoplasm = the great and terrible Day of The Lord
twinkling of an eye = it's gonna take about that long
flesh = not going anywhere
Trump = a momentary "pause" for The Father's will to come unto repentance, before the great and terrible Day of the Lord
white robes = acts attributable towards righteousness
parable of the talents = the "vetting process" to God's Holy Priesthood
beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit = society, in general
this generation = from Adam - til Christ's return = this current earth age

 

[Rondonmon]

I can find no not one verse in my bible that says the Lord will flash by us. Separate from the second Advent. If your one of those who think you have prof of this in his word pleas tell me.

However I can find plenty of verses that tell me I will be kept from.

Reverse what you just said, Satan is the liar but its only those of you who say there is no Rapture that is buying his lies.

You can't find any verses in the bible that tells you that Christians go through Jacobs Troubles. You can only find scriptures that you are confused about, that you think means Christians go through Jacobs Troubles.

1. IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation = the Church comes back from Heaven with Jesus just like Rev. 19 says.
2. The Saints in Rev. who Satan conquer is referring to Jerusalem/Israel.
3. The Remnant in Rev. 12 is A REMNANT which means they became Christians after the Rapture and are all that's left.

1 Corinthians 15 says the dead in Christ and those of us alive at the time of his calling us to Heaven go and meet him in the AIR, then of course we go to Marry the Lamb while the Anti-Christ is still on earth OR Don't you believe in Rev. 19 which says there is MUCH PEOPLE IN HEAVEN....Then after we Marry the Lamb we return to earth on White Horses, with Jesus, where the ANTI-CHRIST IS AWAITING !! Explain that.

I will, it means the Church goes to be with Jesus, in the Mansion (Wedding Chambers) he built in his Fathers house. That usually lasted for 7 Days in the Jewish tradition. 7 Years = 7 Days as we know. In the Jewish wedding, the father always told the son when to go get the bride, even the son didn't know the hour nor day, but it was usually past the midnight hour, thus the surprise element was there, even though the bride was expectant. Thus the participants needed oil in their Lamps.

And the Rapture Doctrine has been here for 2000 years, since Paul said, I tell you a MYSTERY/SECRET !!! It wasn't told to Israel before then because for the most part, they will have no part in it, besides the Messianic Jews. (5-10 percent).

 

[Adstar]

Cloud = brain
caught up = abide with
misinterpreted = apparently
rudiments = the bad guys
fire = cannot stand/hold fast to = quivering blob/s of protoplasm = the great and terrible Day of The Lord
twinkling of an eye = it's gonna take about that long
flesh = not going anywhere
Trump = a momentary "pause" for The Father's will to come unto repentance, before the great and terrible Day of the Lord
white robes = acts attributable towards righteousness
parable of the talents = the "vetting process" to God's Holy Priesthood
beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit = society, in general
this generation = from Adam - til Christ's return = this current earth age

I have absolutely no idea why you posted that in reply to my post?

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Satans big lie?

You remind me of this verse: But the Pharisees said, "It is by the prince of demons that he drives out demons."

Just because YOU personally don't agree with something you don't have to demonize it.