The Rapture Satans Big Lie
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The rapture doctrine is relatively new in the entire scope of Christian history. It's mostly a doctrine believed in the USA. I don't see it supported in scripture although I can see how some have come to think this is taught. I think it comes from a misinterpretation of Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation and the passages used to support a "rapture" of the church are actually talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jews being removed as God's chosen people which occurred in AD 70.
If that is the hope of some let them have that hope, at least they are hoping. We all are in for a big surprise, nobody knows the thoughts and ways of God. We can only fathom a small particle of Him, He is so Huge. i don't believe in rapture the way some people think of it, just as you and i probably wouldn't totally agree on whats to come. Its better to let them have hope in Jesus the way they choose.
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 1 John 3:1-3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 1 John 3:1-3
Like you TLJ, the "theory/doctrine", many believers subscribe to, is a tradition of man, that has been "man-handled/misinterpreted" into a lie, that Our Father has made believe! And, is different from what "they" believe!
Having said this, my heart breaks for these people, even though Our Father says, He's going to make them believe this lie! And the bitterness of spirit and heart of these people, when Jesus rejects THEM!
CAN these people be saved from this? The answer to this is, obviously.....YES!
WILL they be saved from this? Only they, each one individually, can answer that question.
Having said this, my heart breaks for these people, even though Our Father says, He's going to make them believe this lie! And the bitterness of spirit and heart of these people, when Jesus rejects THEM!
CAN these people be saved from this? The answer to this is, obviously.....YES!
WILL they be saved from this? Only they, each one individually, can answer that question.
Thesalonians 4:14-17
14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,[a] that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Mathew 24:30-31
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[a] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
There are of course others but the main issue is not the existence of the rapture rather the timing of it for most people, also a word of advice just because you cannot find proof of something in the bible and also just because it's not something you believe is the truth does not make it a lie from the devil. Who among us has full understanding of the truth that lies deep deep withing the written word of God? if we do not have full understanding of the truth then who are we we to claim it's a lie from the devil?
14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,[a] that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Mathew 24:30-31
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[a] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
There are of course others but the main issue is not the existence of the rapture rather the timing of it for most people, also a word of advice just because you cannot find proof of something in the bible and also just because it's not something you believe is the truth does not make it a lie from the devil. Who among us has full understanding of the truth that lies deep deep withing the written word of God? if we do not have full understanding of the truth then who are we we to claim it's a lie from the devil?
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
The parable of the wheat and tares
While the word rapture is not found in the bible, the Parousia of JESUS and our gathering is.....it is post tribulation pre-wrath....there are ample scriptures that teach this in context.....many argue about the timing, Paul said it would be at the last trump.
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
The parable of the wheat and tares
While the word rapture is not found in the bible, the Parousia of JESUS and our gathering is.....it is post tribulation pre-wrath....there are ample scriptures that teach this in context.....many argue about the timing, Paul said it would be at the last trump.
The Hebrew word for 'caught-up' is: Strong's Hebrew: 5595. סָפָה (saphah) -- to sweep or snatch away ...
biblehub.com/hebrew/5595.htm [סָפָה] verb sweep away or snatch away, catch up (Late Hebrew ׳ספ, סָפָא collect (rare), ᵑ7 ׳סְפִ (rare), ... 2 be caught up, captured, Isaiah 13:15 ("" נִמְצָא).
Of Course, the Koinia Greek language into which the Septuagint LXX was transliterated from the Hebrew OT text was defined as the "Harpozo" meaning "Caught-up" or the same as the Hebrew (saphah)
Here is the Latin Vulgate version that is transliterated from the LXX. The word Harpozo is "rapiemur" in Latin.
Latin Vulgate: deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus
Our english word Rapture comes from the Latin "Rapiemur" which still means Caught-up
rapiemur in English,,translation and definition "rapiemur", Latin-English Dictionary online
add translation rapiemur
Type: verb;
first-person plural future passive indicative of rapiō "we shall be snatched, we shall be grabbed, we shall be carried off"
Finally I offer the verses in the KJV of 1 COR 15:50-54..." Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
Now I know this does not say "caught-up" but it does say in a twinkling of an eye we will be changed!
BUT if you really want it, here it is........
1 Thes 4:13-17....KJV..." But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
There it is........
Now, Buddyt, I do not think for a minute that you really want to know what YOU ask for above. I think you and some others preterist or worse atheist are just trying to muddy the waters. Well Don't think Twice about it,,,,I did not do it for you. For those others that might listen and want to learn more about Jesus Christ. To them this is dedicated.
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1 Thessalonians Is not speaking of a Rapture. The Subject of these verses starting with verse 13. is WHERE ARE THE DEAD.
False teaching and Satan will use this to load his wagon when he gets here with those who don't have eyes to see.
Ezekiel 13:20-Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the soul to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
The word ‘hunt’ in Hebrew means, "lie in wait; to catch men." (Strong’s #6678)
In this study of Ezekiel chapter 13, you have the privilege of witnessing God’s anger slowly simmer into a rapid boil because of the demonic teaching of the ‘fly-away lie.’ A teaching that God said, "I am against" because they hunt to win the souls of My children to make them fly." You will soon find out our Father’s anger is directed at the preachers, teachers, prophets, and prophetesses because the sin of teaching the rapture is all inclusive. Both men and women tell this lie from the pulpit. Some teach this lie because they don’t know the truth, while Satan’s ministers of unrighteousness teach the lie deliberatively. Either way the lie is told and Christians are deceived. My question is, why would anyone want to teach something that God has said He is against?
1 Thessalonians Is not speaking of a Rapture. The Subject of these verses starting with verse 13. is WHERE ARE THE DEAD.
False teaching and Satan will use this to load his wagon when he gets here with those who don't have eyes to see.
Ezekiel 13:20-Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the soul to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
The word ‘hunt’ in Hebrew means, "lie in wait; to catch men." (Strong’s #6678)
In this study of Ezekiel chapter 13, you have the privilege of witnessing God’s anger slowly simmer into a rapid boil because of the demonic teaching of the ‘fly-away lie.’ A teaching that God said, "I am against" because they hunt to win the souls of My children to make them fly." You will soon find out our Father’s anger is directed at the preachers, teachers, prophets, and prophetesses because the sin of teaching the rapture is all inclusive. Both men and women tell this lie from the pulpit. Some teach this lie because they don’t know the truth, while Satan’s ministers of unrighteousness teach the lie deliberatively. Either way the lie is told and Christians are deceived. My question is, why would anyone want to teach something that God has said He is against?
This is not a lie from Satan, but a promise from the Lord to gather his church both dead and living. It will be the fulfillment of John 14:1-3
"In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am."
You should be careful of what you call "a lie of Satan."
1 Thes.4:13-17 and 1 Cor.1551-53 are both speaking about the event of when the Lord descends from heaven and the dead in Christ rise first. Immediately after that, the living will be changed into those immortal and glorified bodies and will meet those who will have previously resurrected in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. From there, the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house in fulfillment of his promise.
"In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am."
You should be careful of what you call "a lie of Satan."
1 Thes.4:13-17 and 1 Cor.1551-53 are both speaking about the event of when the Lord descends from heaven and the dead in Christ rise first. Immediately after that, the living will be changed into those immortal and glorified bodies and will meet those who will have previously resurrected in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. From there, the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house in fulfillment of his promise.
The first resurrection (rapture) has occurred .When Christ said it is finished the souls that were asleep in the bosom of Abraham flew to heaven. Now that Christ the Holy Spirit of God had finished the promised work their souls not seen could no longer be held from entering the New Jerusalem prepared as His bride.
The final resurrection will occur on the last day. Until then all will be entering the first resurrection ,the second on the last day is when all will receive their new bodies not made from the rudiments of this corrupted, dying creation .
Reminds me of a song.....“Some bright morning when this life is over I'll fly away To that home on God's celestial shore
I'll fly away”
Two resurrections or raptures .When the last name written in the lambs book of life is given the faith that comes from hearing God (Christ’s faith) there would be no need to delay the destruction of the present heaven and earth. The new will appear while the other vanishes away never again to be remembered or come to mind..
The final resurrection will occur on the last day. Until then all will be entering the first resurrection ,the second on the last day is when all will receive their new bodies not made from the rudiments of this corrupted, dying creation .
Reminds me of a song.....“Some bright morning when this life is over I'll fly away To that home on God's celestial shore
I'll fly away”
Two resurrections or raptures .When the last name written in the lambs book of life is given the faith that comes from hearing God (Christ’s faith) there would be no need to delay the destruction of the present heaven and earth. The new will appear while the other vanishes away never again to be remembered or come to mind..
That place was finished when Christ gave up the ghost of his own volition. During the second and final it will fulfilled on the “last day “ Six times in John the Holy Spirit emphasizes that fact. . resurrection or rapture day, the last day, This is when the saint that are alive on earth reining with Christ will join the ones that are sleeping(dead asleep) both in the twinkling of a eye receiving their new incorruptible bodies which will be neither male nor female but a new creation. The manifestation of the sons of God in their new bodies .
The manifestation of the sons of God are brought into His presence so we can be where he is .Not him where we are on earth.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation (heavens and earth, plants animal ...all living things ) groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
The manifestation of the sons of God are brought into His presence so we can be where he is .Not him where we are on earth.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation (heavens and earth, plants animal ...all living things ) groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.